The Zeta Chronicles - A pro-active comic for the zoo community

Yet some can’t grasp that.
Because, as the saying goes.."You're not the Boss of ME!"...., and from that point forward no headway will be gained in any discussion. They are not any more interested in discussion than the Mundanes. They want the Problem to go away. Each side has different reasons, of course, but they're really looking for the same result. I'm beginning to wonder if someone isn't flying the Jolly Roger in this joint.
 
I'm still yet to see what educating the public in such a matter is supposed to achieve, and how it justifies a period of post "zoo tipping point".

Those thinking it won't lead to a crack down are painfully naive.

I'll defer to the transgender example again. We have people paranoid someone in the stall next to them might have certain body parts, now on the hunt for any signs of incongruence. We have new rules in sport, suddenly impacting even those born and raised as female, for their natural hormonal variation. People scrambling to protect the children. Transgender people are now under the microscope of the public, every perceived flaw amplified. And they don't even have anything to do with intimacy, beyond some people just thinking it's gross.

Do you think "animal fuckers" will be viewed with more, or even just the same level of, sympathy? Do you think we'll somehow receive less vigilance, less paranoia? Do you think we have less to lose?

Zoophilia isn't even comparable to the gay rights movement, because at least nobody had any doubts of the ability of adult men to consent, and we have even less to gain.

You don't have to go cruising just to meet an animal, and nobody raises an eyebrow at someone continuing to live with animals later in life. What more do you want, and at what cost?
They're still clinging to the idea that it worked for the Gay people of the World....whatever their chosen Letter. So why should it not work for Us? They forget that the Homosexual/ Trans Crowd really never had every hand in every nation against them. Bestiality is not legal in almost every nation of the World, and thoroughly disapproved of WHEREVER minds are closed. Gay people have a LONG history in the SERIOUS Arts of the world, aka The Humanities....WE got a half finished comic....Homosexuality has a historical hook to hang on....WE got a half finished comic...Homosexuality has next to nothing in common with bestiality, except a biblical injunction not to commit it. WE still have that there half-finished comic, by gadfrey. We gonna win this one!
 
They want the Problem to go away.

There's a *REALLY* simple way to accomplish that: Abandon this brain-dead attempt at something that's got less chance of accomplishing anything positive than a snowflake has of surviving being dumped into an operating blast furnace.

Of course, doing this would forfeit any and all "savior" points, so it's probably not gonna happen. (Never mind that the failure, when it happens - which is nearly 100% assured - ALSO costs you all of your savior points...)
 
They're still clinging to the idea that it worked for the Gay people of the World....whatever their chosen Letter. So why should it not work for Us? They forget that the Homosexual/ Trans Crowd really never had every hand in every nation against them. Bestiality is not legal in almost every nation of the World, and thoroughly disapproved of WHEREVER minds are closed. Gay people have a LONG history in the SERIOUS Arts of the world, aka The Humanities....WE got a half finished comic....Homosexuality has a historical hook to hang on....WE got a half finished comic...Homosexuality has next to nothing in common with bestiality, except a biblical injunction not to commit it. WE still have that there half-finished comic, by gadfrey. We gonna win this one!
Also like... Gay people wanted legal rights as couples. But a lot of those legal issues only apply to human partners. I just don't see as much a point in zoophilia activism.

The only thing I can think of is like, anti-descrimination, but that implies a degree of openness that would make it known in the first place. Do we intend on showing public affection with our animal partners, beyond what's currently accepted? Do we intend on telling our workmates about our zoophilia, when they mention having a date on the weekend? Point out a sexy dog to hit friend? Maybe a world where an exclusive zoo can come out, tell their parents why they still don't have a girlfriend or whatever? That last one is the only point I'm sympathetic to, tbh.

Do we want legal recognition of our relationships? Beyond the symbolism of marriage, I see no benefit. It's almost exclusively only relevant to humans. Is somebody trying to adopt a child with their partner? Open a joint bank account?
 
Also like... Gay people wanted legal rights as couples. But a lot of those legal issues only apply to human partners. I just don't see as much a point in zoophilia activism.

The only thing I can think of is like, anti-descrimination, but that implies a degree of openness that would make it known in the first place. Do we intend on showing public affection with our animal partners, beyond what's currently accepted? Do we intend on telling our workmates about our zoophilia, when they mention having a date on the weekend? Point out a sexy dog to hit friend? Maybe a world where an exclusive zoo can come out, tell their parents why they still don't have a girlfriend or whatever? That last one is the only point I'm sympathetic to, tbh.

Do we want legal recognition of our relationships? Beyond the symbolism of marriage, I see no benefit. It's almost exclusively only relevant to humans. Is somebody trying to adopt a child with their partner? Open a joint bank account?
ALL of those legal rights won by gays apply ONLY to humans. Animals cannot vote, nor contract, nor sue in a court of law. Symbolics aside, there is nothing to be gained but more grief. The locker at the gym will never resound with beasties sharing pics and laughs over the doggie bar pickups of the night before... The exclusive types will never throw an anniversary party or a doggie throw a birthday party for the significant other EVEN if they understood the concept. This is simply "we want it because we want it, and we want it now!" and nothing else, much as the anti-tobacco crowd pushed hard all those years. Its at least partly for the sake of revenge, and it is, in a word....Stupid.
I dont know what revenues are generated here, or where the original investment came from, but it seems like SOMEone's under pressure to produce on the promises made.
 
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"they" make it abundantly clear my money would be used on whatever instead of making the forum better... i give to this "community" in other ways than money.
On top of that donations are made by bitcoin which uses blockchain transaction history. While it may be time consuming, those transactions are not anonymous and achieving anonymity with bitcoin is not as simple as it may seem to be. So absolutely do not expect people who care about their anonymity to donate to this forum even if they wanted to.

Plus I have to agree that the money is not used to make the forum better.
1. The notification bug has been here for a year.
2. Regex in search is not supported despite the admins saying they will look into it (nobody actually did anything about it).
3. The staff is not paid to do regular cleaning of easy to find stuff like "teen" or "team russia" or phone numbers. Or cleaning abusive rooms from chat. (Judging by how many of those I reported that were years old.)
4. The staff is not paid to clean other abusive content systematically either. It mostly depends on sporadic reports from regular users. (Judging by how many of those I report weekly, which are again years old.)
And I am pretty sure other people can come up with more examples.
 
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On top of that donations are made by bitcoin which uses blockchain transaction history. While it may be time consuming, those transactions are not anonymous and achieving anonymity with bitcoin is not as simple as it may seem to be. So absolutely do not expect people who care about their anonymity to donate to this forum even if they wanted to.
That right there is the primary reason why I won't. Close on the heels of that is the fact that doing so means funding this idiotic "zoo rights/zoo acceptance" crap, like it or not (in my case, that's a nice, 400 foot tall sign spelled out in flashing neon that reads *NOT*) and bluntly, I wouldn't give that "movement" the sweat off my balls, never mind ANY amount of money.
 
Cute furry comic strip. At least they do -something- else instead of praising often copied, sometimes newly created zoosexual media files and so far I see just another comic strip out there. One of roughly 3.1415 myriads.

The "used money" aspect makes it seem somewhat complicated, but at the end it's money donated with the intent to support what those running the site choose as efficient and productive. 🤷‍♂️ If @ZTHorse decides that a family pizza is tomorrow's necessity for further work regarding this cause, so be it. Everyone knows this before the donation, don't they?

Aside the whole huff and puff let's look at it from a somewhat neutral position:

How realistic is it for any drawn furry comic concept to leave an impression unto "the masses" at all? No matter if good, if bad, if "meh." - compared to even the slightest real life occurrence of any fetishist or beasty without respect for the animal(s) which gets filmed, recognized, arrested, trapped, whatever.. I see nothing this comic could result in, which outperforms this other sort of media publishings. Neither bad, nor good.

And as we all know: negative media publishing about "zoophiles" (which for the media can be everything - and most of it ain't zoophilia-related, but belongs more in a psychiatric BDSM-treatment unit) will occur one way or another. Repeatedly. All the time until the sun explodes. Nothing new there, so compared to what happens regularly this comic is at least cute. Point for it. (y)
 
Yeah I tend to shy away from the whole being a primates relative myself. I am educated enough, seen enough, and experienced enough that I personally believe I did not evolve. Evolution seems to be a way to allow folks to believe they are the most important thing in the universe just as some folks use to believe the sun revolved around the earth and some countries belived they were the center of all things. It also allows folks to do unspeakable things to other humans and never feel guilt or remorse. Folks also want an easy, finite, simple answer to every question instead of not knowing the infinite, incomprehensible, unknown that is the beauty and wonder of creation. They want something concrete and real that they can hold in their hand. I personally am just fine not knowing all the wonderful mysteries that dwell within me and surround me. I know that simply I am a truly amazing, mystifying, marvel.

There most likely are more believers here but they are unwilling to admit it, denial is another way to avoid guilt and remorse. I don't care myself because I have grown beyond all that. It takes a bigger person to believe in something greater than themselves and admit they are but a small part of a greater whole. Plus it allows for hope and happiness knowing that there is something way better coming in the future. What does a denier have? A short life here and than death. Yeah I will take creation and the possibility of eternity and exploration over that any day of the week.

I have no issues with folks believing as they will, that too is a very awesome thing. We were never created to be mindless drones.

I was raised religiously but that was more about what I can and can't do and what would make my parents happy versus actually finding wonder and joy in the possibilities of existence past my limited human understanding and lifespan. Would enjoy hearing more about your beliefs or resources for someone like me who has been agnostic and negative for so long that it's hard to believe I could be spiritual again, but it would be nice.
 
Also like... Gay people wanted legal rights as couples. But a lot of those legal issues only apply to human partners. I just don't see as much a point in zoophilia activism.
Then you need to review history. The first thing homosexuals wanted was to stop being kidnapped, gaslit, and castrated. When the governments stopped attacking them their moral high-ground was leveled. Everything that has come since including the marriage non-sense has been a neo-marxist power trip.

Zoos still have a valid moral complaint. We are attacked for victimless crimes.

Pretending this is acceptable is not acceptable. If our liberty is one day secured throughout most of the world, no doubt some will go farther and make more demands but I won't join them. It's true that the trans stuff engenders much hostility as much of the other LGBT cult stuff has, but it has had more of an Trumpian "art of the deal" effect rather than anything, that is when you ask for too much what you really want seems less objectionable.

People who can't stand the absurd accusations and demands of the LGBT cult are all the more refreshed to encounter a sane homosexual. Dave Rubin for example has 99.99% tolerance rate in "the right".

A wise man demands neither too little too much from society, only that which he by objective right deserves.

On top of that donations are made by bitcoin which uses blockchain transaction history. While it may be time consuming, those transactions are not anonymous and achieving anonymity with bitcoin is not as simple as it may seem to be. So absolutely do not expect people who care about their anonymity to donate to this forum even if they wanted to.
Pass it through monero. I admit I didn't keep up with crypto for a few years and didn't know what to do, but now I'm back in the know and it is quite possible to transact anonymously (for now)
 
It is in great honor, and humility, that I am able to present this for all of the zoo community.
A comic you're the main character of?

Not that excited about this comic. It feels low quality and rushed. The name of the mayor should have been something else.
The journalist character seems way too timid to be an actual journalist. Feels more like some poor intern sent to a situation they can't handle.
The art and the speech bubbles scream some early 2000's web comic style to me.

The characters are talking about the place decriminalizing bestiality. That isn't the same as making it legal. I already live in a place where it is legal but that doesn't magically change everyone's opinion or the norms to be on your side.

I donated to keep these servers up. I really hope donation money wasn't used on this.
 
It is in great honor, and humility, that I am able to present this for all of the zoo community.
A comic you're the main character of?

Not that excited about this comic. It feels low quality and rushed. The name of the mayor should have been something else.
The journalist character seems way too timid to be an actual journalist. Feels more like some poor intern sent to a situation they can't handle.
The art and the speech bubbles scream some early 2000's web comic style to me.

The characters are talking about the place decriminalizing bestiality. That isn't the same as making it legal. I already live in a place where it is legal but that doesn't magically change everyone's opinion or the norms to be on your side.

I donated to keep these servers up. I really hope donation money wasn't used on this.
You know how that goes once money exchanges hands. Don’t get your hopes up.
 
It is in great honor, and humility, that I am able to present this for all of the zoo community.
A comic you're the main character of?

Not that excited about this comic. It feels low quality and rushed. The name of the mayor should have been something else.
The journalist character seems way too timid to be an actual journalist. Feels more like some poor intern sent to a situation they can't handle.
The art and the speech bubbles scream some early 2000's web comic style to me.

The characters are talking about the place decriminalizing bestiality. That isn't the same as making it legal. I already live in a place where it is legal but that doesn't magically change everyone's opinion or the norms to be on your side.

I donated to keep these servers up. I really hope donation money wasn't used on this.

I have the completed comic and I am not the main character at all. Its 35-ish pages long depending on some inserts. No spoilers but the criticism is unfounded narrative wise since well, its not all out yet.

Any of our moderation team can verify not a single penny of donation funds were at jeopardy from this initiative. Zooville will operate for a few years assuming that expenses don't rise at current usages. Remember than ZV also has a small ad income also with smart investments with funding. Lets not forget we also fund the chat, launched zoophilia.wiki and also maintain this site.

I'm really flattered that it has caused some controversy online because now everyone is in anticipation to read it. Zoos, Anti-zoo, Trolls, and other sideline watchers.

Everyone is excited for it. I like that. This has been a better success than I even expected.
 
I have the completed comic and I am not the main character at all. Its 35-ish pages long depending on some inserts. No spoilers but the criticism is unfounded narrative wise since well, its not all out yet.

Any of our moderation team can verify not a single penny of donation funds were at jeopardy from this initiative. Zooville will operate for a few years assuming that expenses don't rise at current usages. Remember than ZV also has a small ad income also with smart investments with funding. Lets not forget we also fund the chat, launched zoophilia.wiki and also maintain this site.

I'm really flattered that it has caused some controversy online because now everyone is in anticipation to read it. Zoos, Anti-zoo, Trolls, and other sideline watchers.

Everyone is excited for it. I like that. This has been a better success than I even expected.
-raises hand- can i see the uncolored version please ☺ (since its being colored atm i wanna read it)
 
-raises hand- can i see the uncolored version please ☺ (since its being colored atm i wanna read it)
Your anticipation is good, i like when everyone is on edge about something I expected to not be noticed that much or ignored online.

It stirred the pot and now everyone is watching for what the zoo community has to say via this comic. Which means more eyeballs reading it, and thats exactly why its being released in this fashion.
 
My honest, most constructive criticism:

This isn’t going to work. At all.

1. Who is your target demographic? Antis? Furries? Children? Because no average joe is going to read this and have their minds changed about zoophilia and bestiality. The poor art quality (Why are the characters so wide from the back view? In an attempt to look suave, ZT just ends up looking overly smug and downright predatory at times. And wth is with the feral dragon on the cover? That does not fit with the general story AT ALL) and the fact that it’s about furries is really only going to attract kids and furries. And furries are just going to see this comic and hate it without question because it’s associating them with bestiality. And need I explain why getting kids involved with this site is a bad idea? Needless to say, this comic simply isn’t appealing to the average adult. If any of you had any basic skills in marketing, you’d know that. Put yourselves in the shoes of the general population for once if you want ANY progress. Think of influential works of fiction, how and why they worked. Because this is nowhere near the level of influential pieces that changed society’s perception of the norm such as Fredrick Douglass’ memoirs or “To Kill a Mockingbird”. Those works changed history for a reason. What do you think a poorly coordinated furry comic is going to do about a social norm that has held true for hundreds of thousands of years? Are you so naive to think that this will work?
2. “I am not Starfire” and “High Guardian Spice”. Both recent are self-insert works. Why don’t you look them up and see how well received they were? I’ll wait.
3. Why would you make them furries? That completely ruins the whole point of looking for zoophile acceptance. Because furries are animals. Nobody cares about anthropomorphic animals fucking animals because they’re not real. What society is against is HUMANS fucking animals. And you completely destroy whatever message you’re trying to convey with that alone. I get that maybe your artist can’t draw people, but that’s when you either hire a better artist (I’ve seen plenty of zoo artists that are more than capable) or you learn to draw people and actually put effort into this thing.
4. Literally nobody on this planet likes a comic that lectures them. Not in terms of politics, identity, not even education. Why? Because it’s condescending. It’s a huge straw man. Take comics such as Anonymous Asexual’s works: Nobody likes them because they attack PERCIEVED arguments from their audience rather than letting the audience keep their opinions, and subtly (BIG emphasis on subtly because I can already see that this comic has none) show them through the story why their arguments are either harmful and/or wrong. Either that, or show them why your argument is right. For topics such as this, the most effective way to go about it is to let the audience have an opinion and going from there. In short: SHOW don’t tell. It’s basic writing 101, and you fail at it in every respect. Some quick, basic research would have told you how to do that, but none of you are serious enough about this crap to actually put in that kind of work.

Rather than lazily using Chance as obvious representation of an anti audience and ZT as the “wise mentor figure” that info-dumps walls of random statistics and text to the audience, why not set up something more complex and engaging? It shouldn’t be that hard. Example: Chance moves into Zooville in order to investigate and expose zoophiles for some sort of investigative journalism. As he settles in, he encounters several friendly zoos and tags along with them in their normal, everyday lives. Initially, he looks to find the bad in them, but as time goes on, he develops intimate friendships with them, gets to know their mates, engages with the town, and eventually realizes that zoophiles aren’t as bad as the media makes them out to be. And so he is conflicted with the following question: Do I protect these people that have shown themselves to be nothing but kind, average people? Or do I betray them for the sake of my job and society’s approval? (Which is a very real question a lot of allies and even zoos have). Then you actually have a storyline. You have conflict, drama, engaging characters, etc. What you’re creating is (quite frankly) unengaging, “holier than thou”, and waaaay to simplistic an lazy for such a complex topic. This comic is not going to change minds. It is not going to inspire the general population to fight for our rights. It’s going to either put people to sleep or cause them to cringe from the poor quality in writing, art, and character development.

If you’re trying to show that zoophiles are just regular people, this isn’t it. Because even as a zoo, I’m cringing at how socially unaware and lazy this comic is. I can’t even imagine how an anti or just a regular person is gonna see this if even a degenerate like me can find so many flaws in just the cover alone. I wanted to like this, I really did, but it seems as though your team just isn’t acknowledging the full weight of this topic. This shouldn’t be some fun project. This is our future on the line. This topic is so incredibly serious and taboo that animals have been killed, zoos have been beaten, and countless others have been put into jail over this. This comic? It’ll be meme material for the antis at best.

Don’t take the burden and responsibility of fighting for zoo rights if you‘re not going to take it seriously. That’s how more of us get destroyed.
 
My honest, most constructive criticism:

This isn’t going to work. At all.

1. Who is your target demographic? Antis? Furries? Children? Because no average joe is going to read this and have their minds changed about zoophilia and bestiality. The poor art quality (Why are the characters so wide from the back view? In an attempt to look suave, ZT just ends up looking overly smug and downright predatory at times. And wth is with the feral dragon on the cover? That does not fit with the general story AT ALL) and the fact that it’s about furries is really only going to attract kids and furries. And furries are just going to see this comic and hate it without question because it’s associating them with bestiality. And need I explain why getting kids involved with this site is a bad idea? Needless to say, this comic simply isn’t appealing to the average adult. If any of you had any basic skills in marketing, you’d know that. Put yourselves in the shoes of the general population for once if you want ANY progress. Think of influential works of fiction, how and why they worked. Because this is nowhere near the level of influential pieces that changed society’s perception of the norm such as Fredrick Douglass’ memoirs or “To Kill a Mockingbird”. Those works changed history for a reason. What do you think a poorly coordinated furry comic is going to do about a social norm that has held true for hundreds of thousands of years? Are you so naive to think that this will work?
2. “I am not Starfire” and “High Guardian Spice”. Both recent are self-insert works. Why don’t you look them up and see how well received they were? I’ll wait.
3. Why would you make them furries? That completely ruins the whole point of looking for zoophile acceptance. Because furries are animals. Nobody cares about anthropomorphic animals fucking animals because they’re not real. What society is against is HUMANS fucking animals. And you completely destroy whatever message you’re trying to convey with that alone. I get that maybe your artist can’t draw people, but that’s when you either hire a better artist (I’ve seen plenty of zoo artists that are more than capable) or you learn to draw people and actually put effort into this thing.
4. Literally nobody on this planet likes a comic that lectures them. Not in terms of politics, identity, not even education. Why? Because it’s condescending. It’s a huge straw man. Take comics such as Anonymous Asexual’s works: Nobody likes them because they attack PERCIEVED arguments from their audience rather than letting the audience keep their opinions, and subtly (BIG emphasis on subtly because I can already see that this comic has none) show them through the story why their arguments are either harmful and/or wrong. Either that, or show them why your argument is right. For topics such as this, the most effective way to go about it is to let the audience have an opinion and going from there. In short: SHOW don’t tell. It’s basic writing 101, and you fail at it in every respect. Some quick, basic research would have told you how to do that, but none of you are serious enough about this crap to actually put in that kind of work.

Rather than lazily using Chance as obvious representation of an anti audience and ZT as the “wise mentor figure” that info-dumps walls of random statistics and text to the audience, why not set up something more complex and engaging? It shouldn’t be that hard. Example: Chance moves into Zooville in order to investigate and expose zoophiles for some sort of investigative journalism. As he settles in, he encounters several friendly zoos and tags along with them in their normal, everyday lives. Initially, he looks to find the bad in them, but as time goes on, he develops intimate friendships with them, gets to know their mates, engages with the town, and eventually realizes that zoophiles aren’t as bad as the media makes them out to be. And so he is conflicted with the following question: Do I protect these people that have shown themselves to be nothing but kind, average people? Or do I betray them for the sake of my job and society’s approval? (Which is a very real question a lot of allies and even zoos have). Then you actually have a storyline. You have conflict, drama, engaging characters, etc. What you’re creating is (quite frankly) unengaging, “holier than thou”, and waaaay to simplistic an lazy for such a complex topic. This comic is not going to change minds. It is not going to inspire the general population to fight for our rights. It’s going to either put people to sleep or cause them to cringe from the poor quality in writing, art, and character development.

If you’re trying to show that zoophiles are just regular people, this isn’t it. Because even as a zoo, I’m cringing at how socially unaware and lazy this comic is. I can’t even imagine how an anti or just a regular person is gonna see this if even a degenerate like me can find so many flaws in just the cover alone. I wanted to like this, I really did, but it seems as though your team just isn’t acknowledging the full weight of this topic. This shouldn’t be some fun project. This is our future on the line. This topic is so incredibly serious and taboo that animals have been killed, zoos have been beaten, and countless others have been put into jail over this. This comic? It’ll be meme material for the antis at best.

Don’t take the burden and responsibility of fighting for zoo rights if you‘re not going to take it seriously. That’s how more of us get destroyed.
You're talking to a brick wall.

No matter how clearly and concisely you point out the errors in this type of thinking, it will fall upon deaf ears.
 
My honest, most constructive criticism:

This isn’t going to work. At all.

1. Who is your target demographic? Antis? Furries? Children? Because no average joe is going to read this and have their minds changed about zoophilia and bestiality. The poor art quality (Why are the characters so wide from the back view? In an attempt to look suave, ZT just ends up looking overly smug and downright predatory at times. And wth is with the feral dragon on the cover? That does not fit with the general story AT ALL) and the fact that it’s about furries is really only going to attract kids and furries. And furries are just going to see this comic and hate it without question because it’s associating them with bestiality. And need I explain why getting kids involved with this site is a bad idea? Needless to say, this comic simply isn’t appealing to the average adult. If any of you had any basic skills in marketing, you’d know that. Put yourselves in the shoes of the general population for once if you want ANY progress. Think of influential works of fiction, how and why they worked. Because this is nowhere near the level of influential pieces that changed society’s perception of the norm such as Fredrick Douglass’ memoirs or “To Kill a Mockingbird”. Those works changed history for a reason. What do you think a poorly coordinated furry comic is going to do about a social norm that has held true for hundreds of thousands of years? Are you so naive to think that this will work?
2. “I am not Starfire” and “High Guardian Spice”. Both recent are self-insert works. Why don’t you look them up and see how well received they were? I’ll wait.
3. Why would you make them furries? That completely ruins the whole point of looking for zoophile acceptance. Because furries are animals. Nobody cares about anthropomorphic animals fucking animals because they’re not real. What society is against is HUMANS fucking animals. And you completely destroy whatever message you’re trying to convey with that alone. I get that maybe your artist can’t draw people, but that’s when you either hire a better artist (I’ve seen plenty of zoo artists that are more than capable) or you learn to draw people and actually put effort into this thing.
4. Literally nobody on this planet likes a comic that lectures them. Not in terms of politics, identity, not even education. Why? Because it’s condescending. It’s a huge straw man. Take comics such as Anonymous Asexual’s works: Nobody likes them because they attack PERCIEVED arguments from their audience rather than letting the audience keep their opinions, and subtly (BIG emphasis on subtly because I can already see that this comic has none) show them through the story why their arguments are either harmful and/or wrong. Either that, or show them why your argument is right. For topics such as this, the most effective way to go about it is to let the audience have an opinion and going from there. In short: SHOW don’t tell. It’s basic writing 101, and you fail at it in every respect. Some quick, basic research would have told you how to do that, but none of you are serious enough about this crap to actually put in that kind of work.

Rather than lazily using Chance as obvious representation of an anti audience and ZT as the “wise mentor figure” that info-dumps walls of random statistics and text to the audience, why not set up something more complex and engaging? It shouldn’t be that hard. Example: Chance moves into Zooville in order to investigate and expose zoophiles for some sort of investigative journalism. As he settles in, he encounters several friendly zoos and tags along with them in their normal, everyday lives. Initially, he looks to find the bad in them, but as time goes on, he develops intimate friendships with them, gets to know their mates, engages with the town, and eventually realizes that zoophiles aren’t as bad as the media makes them out to be. And so he is conflicted with the following question: Do I protect these people that have shown themselves to be nothing but kind, average people? Or do I betray them for the sake of my job and society’s approval? (Which is a very real question a lot of allies and even zoos have). Then you actually have a storyline. You have conflict, drama, engaging characters, etc. What you’re creating is (quite frankly) unengaging, “holier than thou”, and waaaay to simplistic an lazy for such a complex topic. This comic is not going to change minds. It is not going to inspire the general population to fight for our rights. It’s going to either put people to sleep or cause them to cringe from the poor quality in writing, art, and character development.

If you’re trying to show that zoophiles are just regular people, this isn’t it. Because even as a zoo, I’m cringing at how socially unaware and lazy this comic is. I can’t even imagine how an anti or just a regular person is gonna see this if even a degenerate like me can find so many flaws in just the cover alone. I wanted to like this, I really did, but it seems as though your team just isn’t acknowledging the full weight of this topic. This shouldn’t be some fun project. This is our future on the line. This topic is so incredibly serious and taboo that animals have been killed, zoos have been beaten, and countless others have been put into jail over this. This comic? It’ll be meme material for the antis at best.

Don’t take the burden and responsibility of fighting for zoo rights if you‘re not going to take it seriously. That’s how more of us get destroyed.
This is actually valid criticism I like how you didn't attack the comic but instead you said what you think was wrong and the possible effect for it to the public. It's very well said. ( a bit aggressive I can say but considering the subject matter I can understand)

I'm going to go out of my way to say "Chance" the character is supposed to be a malesexual (the mentions he knows a lot about discrimination). Think of him as the guy who says " I can relate to your circumstances due to discrimination"

If he was a anti individual he would have came on more aggressively or not give him the time of day then again you got a point about that him possibly turncoating HOWEVER personality displayed before he even enters the door where nobody even notices him proves his timid nature is genuine
 
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@Narnia explain what you mean predatory?
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You can’t tell me that this face doesn’t look like the “rape face” meme. How exactly am I supposed to take this seriously?

Bro save yourself the trouble. @ZTHorse doesn't answer honest questions/criticism.
You're talking to a brick wall.

No matter how clearly and concisely you point out the errors in this type of thinking, it will fall upon deaf ears.
Oh I don’t expect him to listen. He‘s already shown throughout this thread (and that cheesy self-insert) that he has a massive ego. He’ll likely just point out the fact that I don’t have a cheesy podcast or comic (As if that’s a bad thing), so I as his audience don’t have the right to criticize him. And then he’ll use that as an excuse to call me a chud, ignore valid criticism and continue his circlejerk party with the rest of his gang.

My hope is that any others looking to embark on projects for zoo activism see this and understand why it doesn’t work. And why it will never work. And maybe we might get someone with skill and social intelligence to speak for us for once. Because ZT, while annoying, is far from the worst of these activists.
 
You can’t tell me that this face doesn’t look like the “rape face” meme. How exactly am I supposed to take this seriously?
I didn't look at it like that.

It does look very meme material if somebody wanted to do that and Photoshop to an extreme degree I can see what you mean
 
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You shouldn't cover the face part with the text it destroys the immersion of the feel it gives
 
My honest, most constructive criticism:

This isn’t going to work. At all.

1. Who is your target demographic? Antis? Furries? Children? Because no average joe is going to read this and have their minds changed about zoophilia and bestiality. The poor art quality (Why are the characters so wide from the back view? In an attempt to look suave, ZT just ends up looking overly smug and downright predatory at times. And wth is with the feral dragon on the cover? That does not fit with the general story AT ALL) and the fact that it’s about furries is really only going to attract kids and furries. And furries are just going to see this comic and hate it without question because it’s associating them with bestiality. And need I explain why getting kids involved with this site is a bad idea? Needless to say, this comic simply isn’t appealing to the average adult. If any of you had any basic skills in marketing, you’d know that. Put yourselves in the shoes of the general population for once if you want ANY progress. Think of influential works of fiction, how and why they worked. Because this is nowhere near the level of influential pieces that changed society’s perception of the norm such as Fredrick Douglass’ memoirs or “To Kill a Mockingbird”. Those works changed history for a reason. What do you think a poorly coordinated furry comic is going to do about a social norm that has held true for hundreds of thousands of years? Are you so naive to think that this will work?
2. “I am not Starfire” and “High Guardian Spice”. Both recent are self-insert works. Why don’t you look them up and see how well received they were? I’ll wait.
3. Why would you make them furries? That completely ruins the whole point of looking for zoophile acceptance. Because furries are animals. Nobody cares about anthropomorphic animals fucking animals because they’re not real. What society is against is HUMANS fucking animals. And you completely destroy whatever message you’re trying to convey with that alone. I get that maybe your artist can’t draw people, but that’s when you either hire a better artist (I’ve seen plenty of zoo artists that are more than capable) or you learn to draw people and actually put effort into this thing.
4. Literally nobody on this planet likes a comic that lectures them. Not in terms of politics, identity, not even education. Why? Because it’s condescending. It’s a huge straw man. Take comics such as Anonymous Asexual’s works: Nobody likes them because they attack PERCIEVED arguments from their audience rather than letting the audience keep their opinions, and subtly (BIG emphasis on subtly because I can already see that this comic has none) show them through the story why their arguments are either harmful and/or wrong. Either that, or show them why your argument is right. For topics such as this, the most effective way to go about it is to let the audience have an opinion and going from there. In short: SHOW don’t tell. It’s basic writing 101, and you fail at it in every respect. Some quick, basic research would have told you how to do that, but none of you are serious enough about this crap to actually put in that kind of work.

Rather than lazily using Chance as obvious representation of an anti audience and ZT as the “wise mentor figure” that info-dumps walls of random statistics and text to the audience, why not set up something more complex and engaging? It shouldn’t be that hard. Example: Chance moves into Zooville in order to investigate and expose zoophiles for some sort of investigative journalism. As he settles in, he encounters several friendly zoos and tags along with them in their normal, everyday lives. Initially, he looks to find the bad in them, but as time goes on, he develops intimate friendships with them, gets to know their mates, engages with the town, and eventually realizes that zoophiles aren’t as bad as the media makes them out to be. And so he is conflicted with the following question: Do I protect these people that have shown themselves to be nothing but kind, average people? Or do I betray them for the sake of my job and society’s approval? (Which is a very real question a lot of allies and even zoos have). Then you actually have a storyline. You have conflict, drama, engaging characters, etc. What you’re creating is (quite frankly) unengaging, “holier than thou”, and waaaay to simplistic an lazy for such a complex topic. This comic is not going to change minds. It is not going to inspire the general population to fight for our rights. It’s going to either put people to sleep or cause them to cringe from the poor quality in writing, art, and character development.

If you’re trying to show that zoophiles are just regular people, this isn’t it. Because even as a zoo, I’m cringing at how socially unaware and lazy this comic is. I can’t even imagine how an anti or just a regular person is gonna see this if even a degenerate like me can find so many flaws in just the cover alone. I wanted to like this, I really did, but it seems as though your team just isn’t acknowledging the full weight of this topic. This shouldn’t be some fun project. This is our future on the line. This topic is so incredibly serious and taboo that animals have been killed, zoos have been beaten, and countless others have been put into jail over this. This comic? It’ll be meme material for the antis at best.

Don’t take the burden and responsibility of fighting for zoo rights if you‘re not going to take it seriously. That’s how more of us get destroyed.
>Literally has only seen 5 pages.

I encourage everyone to make more zoo media. If you do, ill be happy to promote it but talk is cheap and art is expensive.

The concept is mine, thats about it. Im glad your all very emotional and excited bringing controversy to this comic. I believe you wont be disappointed.
 
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