The Zeta Chronicles - A pro-active comic for the zoo community

OK, just gonna say it... where can I get the full version of this? All I can find are the first two pages. Edit your first post with a full-text link so I can read the whole thing. Please?
 
alexagryphon said:
OK, just gonna say it... where can I get the full version of this? All I can find are the first two pages. Edit your first post with a full-text link so I can read the whole thing. Please?
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He says bi-weekly releases it's already done (in the thread he says this) its just needs color
 
I'm a zoo & furry & even I knew right off the bat this would create a shit storm & I agree with RexAndMe ,this comic is only linking more bad attention ,to both communities & in my opinion turning them against each other ,it be better if the comic was just posted secretly on e621 & people would find it on they're own like with other zoo/fur comics. Plus furries don't represent the zoo community which this seems to be implying ,we are only a part of it ZTH
 
LoveNottLust1 said:
I'm a zoo & furry & even I knew right off the bat this would create a shit storm & I agree with RexAndMe ,this comic is only linking more bad attention ,to both communities & in my opinion turning them against each other ,it be better if the comic was just posted secretly on e621 & people would find it on they're own like with other zoo/fur comics. Plus furries don't represent the zoo community which this seems to be implying ,we are only a part of it ZTH
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People are going to do what they want regardless. It’s why history is a never ending cycle.
 
LoveNottLust1 said:
I'm a zoo & furry & even I knew right off the bat this would create a shit storm & I agree with RexAndMe ,this comic is only linking more bad attention ,to both communities & in my opinion turning them against each other ,it be better if the comic was just posted secretly on e621 & people would find it on they're own like with other zoo/fur comics. Plus furries don't represent the zoo community which this seems to be implying ,we are only a part of it ZTH
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It's also being released on twitter as the pages are finished, by two of the artists. So much for a "planned release". Currently attention seems to have stayed in zoo circles, but I doubt that will stay as such.
 
I'm not the biggest fan of this, but there's some criticisms that I don't understand.

"It will draw attention to the site, I worry for my privacy"
Outside of the porn threads, much of this forum is already accessible to the public. You do not have to be logged in to browse and read the threads, or even use the search function. The site is indexed by Google and other search engines, just typing in 'zoov' shows it as the first suggestion (I don't use Google nor do I visit anything zoo related on my PC, and I still had this result). There are already dedicated antis on twitter that lurk here and post screenshots. I don't see this comic doing any more damage than any general lack of infosec in your own actions already would have done. As for law enforcement, if they were interested, they'd probably already be here. Like I've said, this site isn't secret, and there's already plenty of things that would lead them here. I doubt some advocacy comic would be the giveaway.

"But donor money, they should have a say in how the money is spent"
... I don't see any complaints from any actual financial contributors in this thread. I'm not saying they don't exist, we have no way of knowing that right now. But if they were pissed off about it, I'd expect to hear it, I know I'd be pretty vocal if I felt money I donated was being misused. Arguing this point just seems kinda dumb.

I will say that there is a point to be said about consulting the community. While the forward states "wholly funded by [...] the worldwide zoophile community."
That feels a little misleading. It sounds like you are actually speaking on behalf of all of us (somehow), that this is a larger community collaboration than it actually is. If this were indeed your intention, then yeah, larger community input would be expected imo. The truth is that this comic is funded by the donators to a single English language website (there are non-English boards here, but they are tiny in comparison). Zooville is not the entire worldwide zoophile community, it is a zoophile community, one of many. It is definitely one of the largest and most influential English language zoo sites. I understand that that one part was intended to explain the funding, but I just feel that it may seem to mean more than that.

If one were desiring a more collaborative form of spreading pro-zoo propaganda (I do not use that word derogatorily), I would probably recommend making zines, having people contribute pieces on what zoophilia means to them, the things they would find important to include on a page or two. The format allowing for diversity of opinion, not claiming to speak for anyone beyond who contributed what, and inherently being limited to the time and effort of each contributor. These could easily be shared, anyone could print copies if they so desired, spread however anyone thought useful (or safe).
 
jjponyboy said:
I'm not the biggest fan of this, but there's some criticisms that I don't understand.

"It will draw attention to the site, I worry for my privacy"
Outside of the porn threads, much of this forum is already accessible to the public. You do not have to be logged in to browse and read the threads, or even use the search function. The site is indexed by Google and other search engines, just typing in 'zoov' shows it as the first suggestion (I don't use Google nor do I visit anything zoo related on my PC, and I still had this result). There are already dedicated antis on twitter that lurk here and post screenshots. I don't see this comic doing any more damage than any general lack of infosec in your own actions already would have done. As for law enforcement, if they were interested, they'd probably already be here. Like I've said, this site isn't secret, and there's already plenty of things that would lead them here. I doubt some advocacy comic would be the giveaway.

"But donor money, they should have a say in how the money is spent"
... I don't see any complaints from any actual financial contributors in this thread. I'm not saying they don't exist, we have no way of knowing that right now. But if they were pissed off about it, I'd expect to hear it, I know I'd be pretty vocal if I felt money I donated was being misused. Arguing this point just seems kinda dumb.

I will say that there is a point to be said about consulting the community. While the forward states "wholly funded by [...] the worldwide zoophile community."
That feels a little misleading. It sounds like you are actually speaking on behalf of all of us (somehow), that this is a larger community collaboration than it actually is. If this were indeed your intention, then yeah, larger community input would be expected imo. The truth is that this comic is funded by the donators to a single English language website (there are non-English boards here, but they are tiny in comparison). Zooville is not the entire worldwide zoophile community, it is a zoophile community, one of many. It is definitely one of the largest and most influential English language zoo sites. I understand that that one part was intended to explain the funding, but I just feel that it may seem to mean more than that.

If one were desiring a more collaborative form of spreading pro-zoo propaganda (I do not use that word derogatorily), I would probably recommend making zines, having people contribute pieces on what zoophilia means to them, the things they would find important to include on a page or two. The format allowing for diversity of opinion, not claiming to speak for anyone beyond who contributed what, and inherently being limited to the time and effort of each contributor. These could easily be shared, anyone could print copies if they so desired, spread however anyone thought useful (or safe).
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All that really matters is the message being sent. As long as it's a positive one to our group even if rejected we at least have our best interests at heart that separates from the rest.

I looked it up just now. Its Zooville USA. not a forum site. Instead a organization
 
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jjponyboy said:
I'm not the biggest fan of this, but there's some criticisms that I don't understand.

"It will draw attention to the site, I worry for my privacy"
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The problem isn't exposing *THE SITE*. That's hopelessly exposed, and anybody who thinks otherwise isn't firing on all mental cylinders. The problem is the "HEY! LOOK! THERE REALLY IS SUCH A THING AS ANIMAL FUCKERS!" effect on John Q. Public, who, although he generally knows that animal fuckers exist, tends to file even the idea under the heading "out of sight, out of mind", and when he thinks of us at all, it's usually in terms of the punchline of a joke. When he can ignore us/forget we exist/consider us a joke, he most often does/says nothing that means anything. He might mutter in his beard, or grumble over his beer to a buddy, or toss out the occasional "Why do Irishmen wear kilts? 'Cause a Scotsman can hear a zipper at 60 paces. Why do Scotsmen wear kilts? 'Cause a sheep can hear a zipper at 600 paces" grade joke, but aside from that, he doesn't put much, if any, thought into the concept, and most generally takes no action against us. When our existence gets rubbed in his face, he tends to start going apeshit, and bad things start happening to us and/or our critters as a result.
 
jjponyboy said:
I'm not the biggest fan of this, but there's some criticisms that I don't understand.

"It will draw attention to the site, I worry for my privacy"
Outside of the porn threads, much of this forum is already accessible to the public. You do not have to be logged in to browse and read the threads, or even use the search function. The site is indexed by Google and other search engines, just typing in 'zoov' shows it as the first suggestion (I don't use Google nor do I visit anything zoo related on my PC, and I still had this result). There are already dedicated antis on twitter that lurk here and post screenshots. I don't see this comic doing any more damage than any general lack of infosec in your own actions already would have done. As for law enforcement, if they were interested, they'd probably already be here. Like I've said, this site isn't secret, and there's already plenty of things that would lead them here. I doubt some advocacy comic would be the giveaway.

"But donor money, they should have a say in how the money is spent"
... I don't see any complaints from any actual financial contributors in this thread. I'm not saying they don't exist, we have no way of knowing that right now. But if they were pissed off about it, I'd expect to hear it, I know I'd be pretty vocal if I felt money I donated was being misused. Arguing this point just seems kinda dumb.

I will say that there is a point to be said about consulting the community. While the forward states "wholly funded by [...] the worldwide zoophile community."
That feels a little misleading. It sounds like you are actually speaking on behalf of all of us (somehow), that this is a larger community collaboration than it actually is. If this were indeed your intention, then yeah, larger community input would be expected imo. The truth is that this comic is funded by the donators to a single English language website (there are non-English boards here, but they are tiny in comparison). Zooville is not the entire worldwide zoophile community, it is a zoophile community, one of many. It is definitely one of the largest and most influential English language zoo sites. I understand that that one part was intended to explain the funding, but I just feel that it may seem to mean more than that.

If one were desiring a more collaborative form of spreading pro-zoo propaganda (I do not use that word derogatorily), I would probably recommend making zines, having people contribute pieces on what zoophilia means to them, the things they would find important to include on a page or two. The format allowing for diversity of opinion, not claiming to speak for anyone beyond who contributed what, and inherently being limited to the time and effort of each contributor. These could easily be shared, anyone could print copies if they so desired, spread however anyone thought useful (or safe).
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Valid critique that is useful.

The greater zoo community I cannot obviously speak to thousands and thousands of zoos on a collaboration. Somewhat like governments, you end up speak with representatives across other platforms. In this fashion, i have reached out with other zoo community owners and leaders about this comic, and feel comfortable saying its a worldwide effort. Also not to mention, the funding itself comes from zoos across many nations.

There is even a zoo who will do a russian translation of the comic as its released. Other languages will be coming too in the end.

The story, Im not a huge contributor to the writing, only to the concept of the comic and even finding a competent writer was difficult

Also its quite more difficult than you'd believe to find artists willing to work on such a controversial topic and at a reasonable rate. If your a big artist in the furry world, you have too much risk involved and money to make doing other comissions. Its a difficult feat to achieve.

However i accept the criticism about not mentioning the comic publically, but as you can see, there is great resistence and hesitency amoung zoos about positive influences and what i could say are "wholesome" out-reachings like this to the general public.

For that, i will open this chance now for the greater zoo community, if you have a project or want to contribute to future zooey comics or artwork, you can PM me @ZTHorse.

We need writers, colorists, typists, and artists to further tell stories and truths to combat the misinformation in a easy to digest format.

Afterall, thats what art is for. A message in a paintbrush.
 
ZTHorse said:
Valid critique that is useful.

The greater zoo community I cannot obviously speak to thousands and thousands of zoos on a collaboration. Somewhat like governments, you end up speak with representatives across other platforms. In this fashion, i have reached out with other zoo community owners and leaders about this comic, and feel comfortable saying its a worldwide effort. Also not to mention, the funding itself comes from zoos across many nations.

There is even a zoo who will do a russian translation of the comic as its released. Other languages will be coming too in the end.

The story, Im not a huge contributor to the writing, only to the concept of the comic and even finding a competent writer was difficult

Also its quite more difficult than you'd believe to find artists willing to work on such a controversial topic and at a reasonable rate. If your a big artist in the furry world, you have too much risk involved and money to make doing other comissions. Its a difficult feat to achieve.

However i accept the criticism about not mentioning the comic publically, but as you can see, there is great resistence and hesitency amoung zoos about positive influences and what i could say are "wholesome" out-reachings like this to the general public.

For that, i will open this chance now for the greater zoo community, if you have a project or want to contribute to future zooey comics or artwork, you can PM me @ZTHorse.

We need writers, colorists, typists, and artists to further tell stories and truths to combat the misinformation in a easy to digest format.

Afterall, thats what art is for. A message in a paintbrush.
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Ohhh thats why your asking for talent on the forum a while ago. Its to help with this big release
 
ZTHorse said:
i have reached out with other zoo community owners and leaders about this comic, and feel comfortable saying its a worldwide effort.
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care to elaborate a little? i can understand the "owners" part (i mean, someone has to own the sites... how it gives any right to said owner to say what's best for everyone is a different issue), but "leaders"? i kinda missed "we" even have a "leadership", but i assume you appointed yourself to that role despite your almost non-existent presence here?
 
nekdoneco123 said:
care to elaborate a little? i can understand the "owners" part (i mean, someone has to own the sites... how it gives any right to said owner to say what's best for everyone is a different issue), but "leaders"? i kinda missed "we" even have a "leadership", but i assume you appointed yourself to that role despite your almost non-existent presence here?
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Self appointed "leaders" of course

Zoo Saviors in their own minds
 
Gunslinger1X said:
Self appointed "leaders" of course

Zoo Saviors in their own minds
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feels like it's two to four ppl (like that togglewhateverperson with like 7 posts here, who only ever comes to zthorse's defense) who just decided they lead "us" without "us" knowing.... i seem to have missed any election. well, even any discussion about leadership... or attempt at trying to be a coherent group.
 
nekdoneco123 said:
feels like it's two to four ppl (like that togglewhateverperson with like 7 posts here, who only ever comes to zthorse's defense) who just decided they lead "us" without "us" knowing.... i seem to have missed any election. well, even any discussion about leadership... or attempt at trying to be a coherent group.
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Those people are more interested in themselves than the community. For them it's if they're being put on a pedestal so they can claim a "first"

Self absorbed and narcissistic personalities often act to prop up their own personal feelings, ratger than for the greater good
 
nekdoneco123 said:
feels like it's two to four ppl (like that togglewhateverperson with like 7 posts here, who only ever comes to zthorse's defense) who just decided they lead "us" without "us" knowing.... i seem to have missed any election. well, even any discussion about leadership... or attempt at trying to be a coherent group.
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You didn't miss anything - Historically speaking, "Zoo savior" is a self-appointed office with a term-limit of "Until I get reamed", and no elections or debates permitted.
 
UR20Z said:
You didn't miss anything - Historically speaking, "Zoo savior" is a self-appointed office with a term-limit of "Until I get reamed", and no elections or debates permitted.
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i'm also puzzled about how none of these "saviours" have basically any presence on the very forum of ppl they seem to think they're leading... and i don't mean like posting porn, but just being a part of the "community". i browse this forum more or less daily since i joined and i think i have more of an idea of who you are than any of them.
 
nekdoneco123 said:
i'm also puzzled about how none of these "saviours" have basically any presence on the very forum of ppl they seem to think they're leading... and i don't mean like posting porn, but just being a part of the "community". i browse this forum more or less daily since i joined and i think i have more of an idea of who you are than any of them.
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Probably has to do with the fact that I'm a loud, obnoxious, opinionated asshole with little or no filter when it comes to dumping reality on the heads of idiots. Others operate more "on the sneak". Which do you think folks actually notice? :)
 
UR20Z said:
Probably has to do with the fact that I'm a loud, obnoxious, opinionated asshole with little or no filter when it comes to dumping reality on the heads of idiots. Others operate more "on the sneak". Which do you think folks actually notice? :)
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your general "crudeness" aside (you are probably older than an average crude oil deposit so it makes sense i think) i was more on about how you're actually a visible part of this "community".. you join random discussions, share your opinions etc so there are some clues and hints of what you might be like as a person. in the meantime, no response from the "leadership"... which i think consist of multiple ppl? most if not all of whom "we" don't get to even see being a regular part of whatever this is. and yet they believe they get to speak for "us"?
 
jjponyboy said:
I'm not the biggest fan of this, but there's some criticisms that I don't understand.

"It will draw attention to the site, I worry for my privacy"
Outside of the porn threads, much of this forum is already accessible to the public. You do not have to be logged in to browse and read the threads, or even use the search function. The site is indexed by Google and other search engines, just typing in 'zoov' shows it as the first suggestion (I don't use Google nor do I visit anything zoo related on my PC, and I still had this result). There are already dedicated antis on twitter that lurk here and post screenshots. I don't see this comic doing any more damage than any general lack of infosec in your own actions already would have done. As for law enforcement, if they were interested, they'd probably already be here. Like I've said, this site isn't secret, and there's already plenty of things that would lead them here. I doubt some advocacy comic would be the giveaway.
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The voice of reason

jjponyboy said:
"But donor money, they should have a say in how the money is spent"
... I don't see any complaints from any actual financial contributors in this thread. I'm not saying they don't exist, we have no way of knowing that right now. But if they were pissed off about it, I'd expect to hear it, I know I'd be pretty vocal if I felt money I donated was being misused. Arguing this point just seems kinda dumb.
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One might imagine asking for permission would be better than waiting for complaints but on the other hand a huge amount of money goes through this site: http://blkchairbknpn73cfjhevhla7rkp...ss/qrkq3768cryun7ulra2d5zpp0g6crrs3q5x88rd8hs

It's hard to imagine commissioning one comic represents a significant expenditure (then again corruption breeds absurdity).

jjponyboy said:
If one were desiring a more collaborative form of spreading pro-zoo propaganda (I do not use that word derogatorily), I would probably recommend making zines, having people contribute pieces on what zoophilia means to them, the things they would find important to include on a page or two. The format allowing for diversity of opinion, not claiming to speak for anyone beyond who contributed what, and inherently being limited to the time and effort of each contributor. These could easily be shared, anyone could print copies if they so desired, spread however anyone thought useful (or safe).
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Sounds like a good idea to me, but the problem would be deciding what makes the cut. This website's forums are a record of what zoosexuals think but it won't fit on a flier.

UR20Z said:
Probably has to do with the fact that I'm a loud, obnoxious, opinionated asshole with little or no filter when it comes to dumping reality on the heads of idiots. Others operate more "on the sneak". Which do you think folks actually notice? :)
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A simpler explanation is that these "saviors" are a strawman you constructed and besides a very few, not including ZT and the author of this comic, no one describes themselves as such.

I haven't seen anyone tell you to do something. They are doing their own thing based on what they believe will make the world better. You think they're wrong, that doesn't mean they're trying to lead you. If anything that means you're trying to lead them.
 
ADreamOfLiberty said:
The voice of reason


One might imagine asking for permission would be better than waiting for complaints but on the other hand a huge amount of money goes through this site: http://blkchairbknpn73cfjhevhla7rkp...ss/qrkq3768cryun7ulra2d5zpp0g6crrs3q5x88rd8hs

It's hard to imagine commissioning one comic represents a significant expenditure (then again corruption breeds absurdity).


Sounds like a good idea to me, but the problem would be deciding what makes the cut. This website's forums are a record of what zoosexuals think but it won't fit on a flier.


A simpler explanation is that these "saviors" are a strawman you constructed and besides a very few, not including ZT and the author of this comic, no one describes themselves as such.

I haven't seen anyone tell you to do something. They are doing their own thing based on what they believe will make the world better. You think they're wrong, that doesn't mean they're trying to lead you. If anything that means you're trying to lead them.
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This statement implies otherwise

"In this fashion, i have reached out with other zoo community owners and leaders about this comic, and feel comfortable saying its a worldwide effort. Also not to mention, the funding itself comes from zoos across many nations."
 
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