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Biggdog01
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Very interested looking forward to reading it
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The Zeta Chronicles - A pro-active comic for the zoo community
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ADreamOfLiberty
ZooVille Philanthropist
Then you need to review history. The first thing homosexuals wanted was to stop being kidnapped, gaslit, and castrated. When the governments stopped attacking them their moral high-ground was leveled. Everything that has come since including the marriage non-sense has been a neo-marxist power trip.
Zoos still have a valid moral complaint. We are attacked for victimless crimes.
Pretending this is acceptable is not acceptable. If our liberty is one day secured throughout most of the world, no doubt some will go farther and make more demands but I won't join them. It's true that the trans stuff engenders much hostility as much of the other LGBT cult stuff has, but it has had more of an Trumpian "art of the deal" effect rather than anything, that is when you ask for too much what you really want seems less objectionable.
People who can't stand the absurd accusations and demands of the LGBT cult are all the more refreshed to encounter a sane homosexual. Dave Rubin for example has 99.99% tolerance rate in "the right".
A wise man demands neither too little too much from society, only that which he by objective right deserves.
Pass it through monero. I admit I didn't keep up with crypto for a few years and didn't know what to do, but now I'm back in the know and it is quite possible to transact anonymously (for now)
Carodenius
Zooville Philanthropist
It is in great honor, and humility, that I am able to present this for all of the zoo community.
A comic you're the main character of?
Not that excited about this comic. It feels low quality and rushed. The name of the mayor should have been something else.
The journalist character seems way too timid to be an actual journalist. Feels more like some poor intern sent to a situation they can't handle.
The art and the speech bubbles scream some early 2000's web comic style to me.
The characters are talking about the place decriminalizing bestiality. That isn't the same as making it legal. I already live in a place where it is legal but that doesn't magically change everyone's opinion or the norms to be on your side.
I donated to keep these servers up. I really hope donation money wasn't used on this.
A comic you're the main character of?
Not that excited about this comic. It feels low quality and rushed. The name of the mayor should have been something else.
The journalist character seems way too timid to be an actual journalist. Feels more like some poor intern sent to a situation they can't handle.
The art and the speech bubbles scream some early 2000's web comic style to me.
The characters are talking about the place decriminalizing bestiality. That isn't the same as making it legal. I already live in a place where it is legal but that doesn't magically change everyone's opinion or the norms to be on your side.
I donated to keep these servers up. I really hope donation money wasn't used on this.
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
You know how that goes once money exchanges hands. Don’t get your hopes up.
I have the completed comic and I am not the main character at all. Its 35-ish pages long depending on some inserts. No spoilers but the criticism is unfounded narrative wise since well, its not all out yet.
Any of our moderation team can verify not a single penny of donation funds were at jeopardy from this initiative. Zooville will operate for a few years assuming that expenses don't rise at current usages. Remember than ZV also has a small ad income also with smart investments with funding. Lets not forget we also fund the chat, launched zoophilia.wiki and also maintain this site.
I'm really flattered that it has caused some controversy online because now everyone is in anticipation to read it. Zoos, Anti-zoo, Trolls, and other sideline watchers.
Everyone is excited for it. I like that. This has been a better success than I even expected.
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
-raises hand- can i see the uncolored version please ☺ (since its being colored atm i wanna read it)
Your anticipation is good, i like when everyone is on edge about something I expected to not be noticed that much or ignored online.
It stirred the pot and now everyone is watching for what the zoo community has to say via this comic. Which means more eyeballs reading it, and thats exactly why its being released in this fashion.
My honest, most constructive criticism:
This isn’t going to work. At all.
1. Who is your target demographic? Antis? Furries? Children? Because no average joe is going to read this and have their minds changed about zoophilia and bestiality. The poor art quality (Why are the characters so wide from the back view? In an attempt to look suave, ZT just ends up looking overly smug and downright predatory at times. And wth is with the feral dragon on the cover? That does not fit with the general story AT ALL) and the fact that it’s about furries is really only going to attract kids and furries. And furries are just going to see this comic and hate it without question because it’s associating them with bestiality. And need I explain why getting kids involved with this site is a bad idea? Needless to say, this comic simply isn’t appealing to the average adult. If any of you had any basic skills in marketing, you’d know that. Put yourselves in the shoes of the general population for once if you want ANY progress. Think of influential works of fiction, how and why they worked. Because this is nowhere near the level of influential pieces that changed society’s perception of the norm such as Fredrick Douglass’ memoirs or “To Kill a Mockingbird”. Those works changed history for a reason. What do you think a poorly coordinated furry comic is going to do about a social norm that has held true for hundreds of thousands of years? Are you so naive to think that this will work?
2. “I am not Starfire” and “High Guardian Spice”. Both recent are self-insert works. Why don’t you look them up and see how well received they were? I’ll wait.
3. Why would you make them furries? That completely ruins the whole point of looking for zoophile acceptance. Because furries are animals. Nobody cares about anthropomorphic animals fucking animals because they’re not real. What society is against is HUMANS fucking animals. And you completely destroy whatever message you’re trying to convey with that alone. I get that maybe your artist can’t draw people, but that’s when you either hire a better artist (I’ve seen plenty of zoo artists that are more than capable) or you learn to draw people and actually put effort into this thing.
4. Literally nobody on this planet likes a comic that lectures them. Not in terms of politics, identity, not even education. Why? Because it’s condescending. It’s a huge straw man. Take comics such as Anonymous Asexual’s works: Nobody likes them because they attack PERCIEVED arguments from their audience rather than letting the audience keep their opinions, and subtly (BIG emphasis on subtly because I can already see that this comic has none) show them through the story why their arguments are either harmful and/or wrong. Either that, or show them why your argument is right. For topics such as this, the most effective way to go about it is to let the audience have an opinion and going from there. In short: SHOW don’t tell. It’s basic writing 101, and you fail at it in every respect. Some quick, basic research would have told you how to do that, but none of you are serious enough about this crap to actually put in that kind of work.
Rather than lazily using Chance as obvious representation of an anti audience and ZT as the “wise mentor figure” that info-dumps walls of random statistics and text to the audience, why not set up something more complex and engaging? It shouldn’t be that hard. Example: Chance moves into Zooville in order to investigate and expose zoophiles for some sort of investigative journalism. As he settles in, he encounters several friendly zoos and tags along with them in their normal, everyday lives. Initially, he looks to find the bad in them, but as time goes on, he develops intimate friendships with them, gets to know their mates, engages with the town, and eventually realizes that zoophiles aren’t as bad as the media makes them out to be. And so he is conflicted with the following question: Do I protect these people that have shown themselves to be nothing but kind, average people? Or do I betray them for the sake of my job and society’s approval? (Which is a very real question a lot of allies and even zoos have). Then you actually have a storyline. You have conflict, drama, engaging characters, etc. What you’re creating is (quite frankly) unengaging, “holier than thou”, and waaaay to simplistic an lazy for such a complex topic. This comic is not going to change minds. It is not going to inspire the general population to fight for our rights. It’s going to either put people to sleep or cause them to cringe from the poor quality in writing, art, and character development.
If you’re trying to show that zoophiles are just regular people, this isn’t it. Because even as a zoo, I’m cringing at how socially unaware and lazy this comic is. I can’t even imagine how an anti or just a regular person is gonna see this if even a degenerate like me can find so many flaws in just the cover alone. I wanted to like this, I really did, but it seems as though your team just isn’t acknowledging the full weight of this topic. This shouldn’t be some fun project. This is our future on the line. This topic is so incredibly serious and taboo that animals have been killed, zoos have been beaten, and countless others have been put into jail over this. This comic? It’ll be meme material for the antis at best.
Don’t take the burden and responsibility of fighting for zoo rights if you‘re not going to take it seriously. That’s how more of us get destroyed.
This isn’t going to work. At all.
1. Who is your target demographic? Antis? Furries? Children? Because no average joe is going to read this and have their minds changed about zoophilia and bestiality. The poor art quality (Why are the characters so wide from the back view? In an attempt to look suave, ZT just ends up looking overly smug and downright predatory at times. And wth is with the feral dragon on the cover? That does not fit with the general story AT ALL) and the fact that it’s about furries is really only going to attract kids and furries. And furries are just going to see this comic and hate it without question because it’s associating them with bestiality. And need I explain why getting kids involved with this site is a bad idea? Needless to say, this comic simply isn’t appealing to the average adult. If any of you had any basic skills in marketing, you’d know that. Put yourselves in the shoes of the general population for once if you want ANY progress. Think of influential works of fiction, how and why they worked. Because this is nowhere near the level of influential pieces that changed society’s perception of the norm such as Fredrick Douglass’ memoirs or “To Kill a Mockingbird”. Those works changed history for a reason. What do you think a poorly coordinated furry comic is going to do about a social norm that has held true for hundreds of thousands of years? Are you so naive to think that this will work?
2. “I am not Starfire” and “High Guardian Spice”. Both recent are self-insert works. Why don’t you look them up and see how well received they were? I’ll wait.
3. Why would you make them furries? That completely ruins the whole point of looking for zoophile acceptance. Because furries are animals. Nobody cares about anthropomorphic animals fucking animals because they’re not real. What society is against is HUMANS fucking animals. And you completely destroy whatever message you’re trying to convey with that alone. I get that maybe your artist can’t draw people, but that’s when you either hire a better artist (I’ve seen plenty of zoo artists that are more than capable) or you learn to draw people and actually put effort into this thing.
4. Literally nobody on this planet likes a comic that lectures them. Not in terms of politics, identity, not even education. Why? Because it’s condescending. It’s a huge straw man. Take comics such as Anonymous Asexual’s works: Nobody likes them because they attack PERCIEVED arguments from their audience rather than letting the audience keep their opinions, and subtly (BIG emphasis on subtly because I can already see that this comic has none) show them through the story why their arguments are either harmful and/or wrong. Either that, or show them why your argument is right. For topics such as this, the most effective way to go about it is to let the audience have an opinion and going from there. In short: SHOW don’t tell. It’s basic writing 101, and you fail at it in every respect. Some quick, basic research would have told you how to do that, but none of you are serious enough about this crap to actually put in that kind of work.
Rather than lazily using Chance as obvious representation of an anti audience and ZT as the “wise mentor figure” that info-dumps walls of random statistics and text to the audience, why not set up something more complex and engaging? It shouldn’t be that hard. Example: Chance moves into Zooville in order to investigate and expose zoophiles for some sort of investigative journalism. As he settles in, he encounters several friendly zoos and tags along with them in their normal, everyday lives. Initially, he looks to find the bad in them, but as time goes on, he develops intimate friendships with them, gets to know their mates, engages with the town, and eventually realizes that zoophiles aren’t as bad as the media makes them out to be. And so he is conflicted with the following question: Do I protect these people that have shown themselves to be nothing but kind, average people? Or do I betray them for the sake of my job and society’s approval? (Which is a very real question a lot of allies and even zoos have). Then you actually have a storyline. You have conflict, drama, engaging characters, etc. What you’re creating is (quite frankly) unengaging, “holier than thou”, and waaaay to simplistic an lazy for such a complex topic. This comic is not going to change minds. It is not going to inspire the general population to fight for our rights. It’s going to either put people to sleep or cause them to cringe from the poor quality in writing, art, and character development.
If you’re trying to show that zoophiles are just regular people, this isn’t it. Because even as a zoo, I’m cringing at how socially unaware and lazy this comic is. I can’t even imagine how an anti or just a regular person is gonna see this if even a degenerate like me can find so many flaws in just the cover alone. I wanted to like this, I really did, but it seems as though your team just isn’t acknowledging the full weight of this topic. This shouldn’t be some fun project. This is our future on the line. This topic is so incredibly serious and taboo that animals have been killed, zoos have been beaten, and countless others have been put into jail over this. This comic? It’ll be meme material for the antis at best.
Don’t take the burden and responsibility of fighting for zoo rights if you‘re not going to take it seriously. That’s how more of us get destroyed.
Gunslinger1X
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
You're talking to a brick wall.
No matter how clearly and concisely you point out the errors in this type of thinking, it will fall upon deaf ears.
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
This is actually valid criticism I like how you didn't attack the comic but instead you said what you think was wrong and the possible effect for it to the public. It's very well said. ( a bit aggressive I can say but considering the subject matter I can understand)
I'm going to go out of my way to say "Chance" the character is supposed to be a malesexual (the mentions he knows a lot about discrimination). Think of him as the guy who says " I can relate to your circumstances due to discrimination"
If he was a anti individual he would have came on more aggressively or not give him the time of day then again you got a point about that him possibly turncoating HOWEVER personality displayed before he even enters the door where nobody even notices him proves his timid nature is genuine
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Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
dartel
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Everyone? No. I couldn't care less "contriversy" or not.
You can’t tell me that this face doesn’t look like the “rape face” meme. How exactly am I supposed to take this seriously?
Oh I don’t expect him to listen. He‘s already shown throughout this thread (and that cheesy self-insert) that he has a massive ego. He’ll likely just point out the fact that I don’t have a cheesy podcast or comic (As if that’s a bad thing), so I as his audience don’t have the right to criticize him. And then he’ll use that as an excuse to call me a chud, ignore valid criticism and continue his circlejerk party with the rest of his gang.
My hope is that any others looking to embark on projects for zoo activism see this and understand why it doesn’t work. And why it will never work. And maybe we might get someone with skill and social intelligence to speak for us for once. Because ZT, while annoying, is far from the worst of these activists.
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
I didn't look at it like that.
It does look very meme material if somebody wanted to do that and Photoshop to an extreme degree I can see what you mean
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
You shouldn't cover the face part with the text it destroys the immersion of the feel it gives
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
They can track cryptocurrency
>Literally has only seen 5 pages.
I encourage everyone to make more zoo media. If you do, ill be happy to promote it but talk is cheap and art is expensive.
The concept is mine, thats about it. Im glad your all very emotional and excited bringing controversy to this comic. I believe you wont be disappointed.
Your are a good memetard rex. I should get you to make a zeta chronicles sticker pack for telegram.
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
Im glad you put in effort its nice to hear various feedbacks on different point of views.
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
and that doesn't strike you as very valid criticism if the person feels that strongly after only 5 pages? how does one get to the "good" bits at page 15+ if it can't hold their interest for the first 5?
also, giving a forum handle to any (not just "main") character as name just reeks of amateurism... or what would one expect from a comic on e621, not a "serious" piece.
I read criticism sure but its not gospel. Especially since most of the criticism i read, is just anticipation for the future pages. (Because they do address what everyone has been suggesting)
Again, the fact that there is a passionate debate and discussion about the comic is great.
If you all are really passionate about it, you should tweet out to libbypaw the actual main writer.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Well, aside from the fact that I won't have anything to do with twitter, so it ain't gonna happen, what am I supposed to tweet? The reality that so far, the writing is Grade Double-A Cringe, the art is fairly typical furry crap, though perhaps done in a somewhat better than usual style (at least it's possible to tell what you're looking at, which is more than can be said for WAY too much of the furry art) and the entire idea is your basic shitstorm looking for someplace to bury? Or maybe I should I blow smoke up his ass by telling him a bullshit story about how I think it's phenomenal, awesome, bestest ever, etc, etc, etc 'til I sound like Trump?
Unfortunately, the reality is that most of what I see being said about it (other than from you and your pet sycophants - and can't forget ass-kisser-in-chief reconscope) can be boiled down to ten words: "It's shit, and all it can do is cause problems".
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
Quit being a wet blanket.
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
Why? He’s not lying. Anyone with some gas to burn can tell it’s a pipe dream and shadow mission.
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
got a feeling this will be read as "passionate anticipation" as well.. the route he went with these responses is all kinds of weird
shill harder
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Sure - Right after you quit being an ass-kisser. You suck up any harder, and bowling balls are going to start traveling through garden hoses at about warp 6.2.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Yeah, I know. Sounds a lot like the guy who came home to find his house burning to the ground - But hey! At least somebody's roasting marshmallows! Who wants s'mores?!?
No shit... <eyeroll>
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
he is obviously passionate about this. Why not just let it play out is that too much to ask?
Being a wet blanket doesn't help anyone.