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Do owners always want to join?

I’d be partially up for it, as in I might not need to be involved every single time, but I’d be lying if said I’d never want anything for myself.
 
As an owner it’s always nice to be able to join in on the fun but it’s totally up to the woman for me most of the ones I have experience with have been ok or preferred I did join in but have had 2 that were only interested in my pups and that was totally ok to. For me it’s more about my dogs than me it’s just a bonus if I get to play
 
I think it also depends on human relationships.
If a man respects women, he won't blackmail them either.
Obviously, as a man, I want the woman I see having sex with my dog, but I can remain human.
Anyway, I'm very selective about who I let in.
 
Dogdaddy69 said:
Thank you.

As I said, I agree with all the points you made, my disagreement was entirely in what I felt was an unfair implication that wanting involvement itself is disrespectful. I don't believe that it is.

I DO however believe that there are too many people here who behave extremely difrespectfully, especially men toward women. Among the worst of those are the men who don't even OWN an animal, but pretend to, I guess working on the logic that "She'll fuck a dog, she should fuck me". I don't understand the line of thought, nor do I understand why that persists as something anyone thinks will be successful. I also very much think that MOST of the worst people, as far a being disrespectful, are men.

Some of the disrespectful people are female, though given the number of fake females here, I think you have to take each of those cases with a large grain of salt. As far as women go, they are much more likely to approach it from what I can only call a sense of entitlement. Which is more or less why the concept irritates me as much as it does.

Overall though, I think the bigger problem, no matter how the approach is made or the manner it's made in, is the concept that zooville is Tinder for dogs (horses, pigs, cows, what have you). It isn't. Yes, you can find an animal ....encounter here, but that is far from the only reason people are here. People need to realize that and act accordingly.

I think zooville is pretty well run, and I think the rules here are actually more fair than they really should be. I understand why things I feel should not be allowed are allowed, but, I understand, logically, why they are allowed. There are areas where those rules could be .....cleaned up a little....as example, I understand why it's not against the rules to pretend you have animals, and, philosophically, I agree. But, I do think that if you engage in a chat with a member here pretending to be an owner and it transpires that you are NOT an owner, I think the other party should be able to submit that entire chat to a Mod and that should result in you getting banned outright. As far as I know, that doesn't happen.
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I was going to write something along the lines of this but nowhere near as eloquent and well thought out! ?
 
Too many to name, but let me give you a summary. First, anyone who reaches out, we’re going to go through every posting you have put on here and scrutinize everyone. Is your story consistent throughout. Are you claiming to have a dog and in other post you say you don't. Are you saying you have a particular type of dog and other post you say you don't. Similar to location. If anything seems off, then we discontinue any further chat. Second, is the person quick to take the conversation off the site? Red flag!!. Why cant we talk here and make sure our interest are aligned and boundaries are respected? Once that's established, we use a messenger app that's not connected to anything in our personal life. We also do not send pictures of ourselves. We send one picture of the Mrs. that doesn't show her face but shows her body. If that's not good enough, we discontinue conversation. We will never jeopardize our safety for your fantasy. Many more steps, but this is just the beginning of things you should do. ?
 
Kinkyduo12 said:
Too many to name, but let me give you a summary. First, anyone who reaches out, we’re going to go through every posting you have put on here and scrutinize everyone. Is your story consistent throughout. Are you claiming to have a dog and in other post you say you don't. Are you saying you have a particular type of dog and other post you say you don't. Similar to location. If anything seems off, then we discontinue any further chat. Second, is the person quick to take the conversation off the site? Red flag!!. Why cant we talk here and make sure our interest are aligned and boundaries are respected? Once that's established, we use a messenger app that's not connected to anything in our personal life. We also do not send pictures of ourselves. We send one picture of the Mrs. that doesn't show her face but shows her body. If that's not good enough, we discontinue conversation. We will never jeopardize our safety for your fantasy. Many more steps, but this is just the beginning of things you should do. ?
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Sounds like you strictly use this site. Which is good knowing you can reach things. I know there is other sites almost like hook up sites that people put it out there on…’Old CL you could always find the same interest, but no way to reach who was on the other side of the screen.
 
cookiexxlover said:
I’m a female and in my experience, they mostly all expect to join in.
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I had to accept this too. Only cuz i used to suffer from FOMO... now i just accept it. But tbh unless the women is lesbian or strickly into m. Dogs they find me attractive and ask me to join.
 
I have been an owner before. I wouldn't ask to join. I might feel more interested with some women more than others. Just feeling with fingers after would be interesting, but I likely would not ask to do so. I would only do it if she offered.
 
I wouldn't turn it down. But I love the idea of a beautiful woman or cute girl wanting to visit after being told she's only there for my dog, not me. That she's there only for the dog's pleasure.
 
Too many guys seem to view this is a way to "hook up" with a woman. There's a misconception that girls who love dogs are easy. I think they tend to be more selective about the men they choose, if the choose a man.
 
K9Evangelist said:
Too many guys seem to view this is a way to "hook up" with a woman. There's a misconception that girls who love dogs are easy. I think they tend to be more selective about the men they choose, if the choose a man.
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Yeah, that's definitely one of the reasons why I hesitate to look for an owner. I feel like there's an expectation to put out. At least you know the dog is just there for a fun time and doesn't think less of you for it. For the guys, I'm not too sure. Conversations must be had.
 
Some do. I am chatting with a woman, not near me, that is chatting with someone. In order for her to be mounted by his dog she has to have sex with him and others will be there to watch and have sex with her also. I agree with K9Evangelist that many use it as a hookup
 
Some people take things too far. No doubt about it.

The odd paradox here is that if a guy is into girls who fuck dogs, what other way would he be able to meet such women?

The other side of the coin is, if she's looking for a knot, its almost a certainty she'll need to find an owner who is into such women isn't it? Doesnt seem too likely any random owner is going to go for that idea.

As with most things in life, people need to find a balance between the 2 things.
 
I would expect that an owner would want to join, so it's a matter of figuring out if they're a human I'd be willing to sleep with... or even date, I suppose, if it becomes more than a one-time thing.

This thread has been an interesting read, with people giving verification methods and such. For me, I do advice given for dating apps, which is to not take your conversation off the apps too quickly. People have argued that the messaging system here is garbage, which I disagree. Without getting into anything specific, when I'm working, I don't even have access to this site or any chat systems until I'm on break. But, I shouldn't need to chat with anyone at a rapid-fire pace if we're still getting to know each other. Certain personality types will also try to rush the pace of things to get you to making decisions without thinking too much about them, I've dealt with that and it didn't go well.

But in regards to taking the chat off this site, the person is making it so that they can't be reported to the forum staff for whatever they say. That's not all they can get away with, either, but I'd rather not give anyone any ideas. That's not to say that you shouldn't ever move the conversation off this site... If someone approached you in a bar, you wouldn't go home with them after one or two sentences, would you?

In short, the best way I could put this is to find someone who accepts no for an answer. Even with humans, you should be allowed to rescind consent without being made to feel guilty. But of course, discuss expectations beforehand as well, and pose hypothetical questions ("what if I agree to sex with the human, but I can't handle it after sex with the dog?"). If you're comfortable with the owner's responses, then go forth!
 
moonkitty said:
I would expect that an owner would want to join, so it's a matter of figuring out if they're a human I'd be willing to sleep with... or even date, I suppose, if it becomes more than a one-time thing.

This thread has been an interesting read, with people giving verification methods and such. For me, I do advice given for dating apps, which is to not take your conversation off the apps too quickly. People have argued that the messaging system here is garbage, which I disagree. Without getting into anything specific, when I'm working, I don't even have access to this site or any chat systems until I'm on break. But, I shouldn't need to chat with anyone at a rapid-fire pace if we're still getting to know each other. Certain personality types will also try to rush the pace of things to get you to making decisions without thinking too much about them, I've dealt with that and it didn't go well.

But in regards to taking the chat off this site, the person is making it so that they can't be reported to the forum staff for whatever they say. That's not all they can get away with, either, but I'd rather not give anyone any ideas. That's not to say that you shouldn't ever move the conversation off this site... If someone approached you in a bar, you wouldn't go home with them after one or two sentences, would you?

In short, the best way I could put this is to find someone who accepts no for an answer. Even with humans, you should be allowed to rescind consent without being made to feel guilty. But of course, discuss expectations beforehand as well, and pose hypothetical questions ("what if I agree to sex with the human, but I can't handle it after sex with the dog?"). If you're comfortable with the owner's responses, then go forth!
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Honestly, that 1st thing you say is a big part of my entire point of even commenting. Like, literally, what ELSE would anyone expect to be this mythical male dog owners goal here?

If a man, is talking to a woman, about the concept of fucking his dog, where the hell else would common sense dictate he's going with this?

While I wont rule OUT the concept of any random said owner being content to simply watch the act and nothing more because there ARE people who would and DO operate in exactly that manner, just how many of the already tiny portion of human males interested in the k9 sex topic are those people? You're already fishing in a tiny, tiny pool for something that isnt at all very common. How much smaller do you really want to make it by adding unreasonable parameters to an already uphill search?

The CONCEPT of the woman NOT being in anyway sexual with the owner is NOT unreasonable in any way. That should go without being said. But the EXPECTATION that that is the only way its ever going to happen is a little unrealistic.

Women interested in being knotted want to be knotted, right? Nothing unrealistic in that concept, no matter how rare or not that might be. Why on earth would anyone think that guys interested in women who get knotted SHOULD be ONLY content to watch and have no participation themselves? That just doesnt make any logical sense.

Where would a man, seeking a woman who fucks dogs, be able to FIND that woman if NOT when talking to a woman ABOUT the possibility of fucking his dog?

Some women that join this site seem to be fucking oblivious to the concept a man who has interest in women fucking dogs might possibly be interested in HER sexually. That makes no rational sense.

People get butthurt when someone points out that their dog isnt a sextoy to be passed out to random women who have a fantasy about being knotted simply because she has the fantasy, or that they arent a pimp for their dog, but what else would you call this expectation that someone simply allow you to get your fantasy knotting while said owner sits across the room watching or even assisting you for YOUR safety while you provide NOTHING in return?

And, MOST of the time, not always, but MOST of the time, this concept is expressed in a manner that suggests she is somehow ENTITLED to this knot because she wants a knot and any male owner who wants to be more involved than as a lab assistant is somehow the unreasonable asshole in this scenario or a fly in her ointment. At best, that concept is blatently dishonest and is ALWAYS going to be a major, if not the SOLE reason why you remain a k9 virgin until YOU own your own dog and control all aspects of your fantasy.

All that being said.....meeting ANYONE you'd want to have sex with is difficult enough in vanilla situations,, adding in k9 ONLY makes that entire concept MORE difficult.

As you said, you wouldnt go home with someone from a bar after 2 sentences of chat, most people wouldnt anyway. So why is it people have this idea in their heads that you can do that here, on the internet?

I personally think because of internet sites like craigslist and tinder, where people literally join or post an ad that says I want to fuck, that you can somehow also do that here. I want to fuck, and poof, someone else is ready to fuck too. Ok, meet me at ******, and we'll fuck. But, outside those spaces, thats not how the system works.

And to me, that looks like a major issue here, particularly among the male members. Bottom line HERE is you ARE going to have to paint by ALL the numbers, there ARE no shortcuts here. This site can help you zero in on a rare segment of society, but its not going to allow you to shortcut the main steps in the Big Dance. You WILL have to chat and at least attempt to get to know this person, male or female, at least enough to make BOTH of you a little more comfortable with each other and the situation.

And, this site HAS a perfectly functional messaging system to do exactly that. Anyone attempting to get you offsite quickly is doing so for some SHADY REASON....whatever version of shady it is, its shady, dont be foolish, dont be naive about it. The message system here is MORE than adequate for chatting about ANYTHING you might possibly be needing to chat about here....EXCEPT if you are wanting to talk about things that are against the rules HERE. Because DMs ARE subject to site rules just like any other part of this site.....they ARE private, but, they CAN be reported as individual messages within each chat train. And THAT is why someone wants to go offsite in 99.99999999% of cases.

Is that the ONLY reason ever to go offsite? No. They may not have ACCESS to this site and their DMs here for a whole list of reasons....but, here's the catch........there IS no urgent chatting reason thats acceptable to go offsite for 24/7 chat access with someone you only just started chatting with.

If you've BEEN chatting with this person for a week, a month, a year and are somewhat comfortable with this person and what they are saying in those chats, fine, feel free....but doing so any earlier than when YOU feel comfortable with that person is a mistake, and could be a bad one.

Circling back to the main topic here.........

If you are here looking for a knot the question you need to ask yourself, ladies, is whether or not you are here with a REALISTIC intention of actually getting a knot, or if you're here simply to realish the IDEA of the fantasy of getting a knot?

Because if your intentions are to GET a knot, then you need to think about just how small you are making that tiny pond you have to work with by setting unrealistic limits on what you are and are not willing to do or chat about.

You have EVERY right to determine what you want, and what level involvement EVERYONE is this scenario has. But, so does the OTHER party involved, and that is the area where you do yourself the most diservice. This isnt ONLY about you and what YOU want, there is another person involved who has just as much right as you to decide what THEY do and dont want.

I STRONGLY advise EVERYONE here who actually is TRYING to meet someone here to at least be open to the idea of discussing ALL options, individually with whoever it is you decide to chat with. Because their involvement, or not, with you sexually is just ONE, of many, many things that you both must agree on AND follow thru with in order to ever even have a meeting. Such as when, where, what time, who's involved, who's not, WHAT you are going to do, what you are NOT going to do, etc.... just like you would in a vanilla concept,only with a LOT more moving parts.

You might be surprised at who might actually AGREE to get you your knot with no strings attached. But, you'll never get that chance to be surprised if you cut 80% of your possibilities right out of the equation by insisting on terms most people are going to reject immediately as soon as they see it mentioned. Save those selfcentered concepts for private discussion. The OTHER person might have some selfcentered concepts of their own, wouldnt it be a shame if they cut YOU out of the equation before you even had a chance to make YOUR case?

Meeting people here, like anywhere else, is ALL about compromise and respect, just like anyplace else,only MORE amplified. Keep that in mind, everyone.

Many meets happen here. And a great many more never do, or will. Its not rocket science, but it also isnt a slam dunk, you have to do the ground work, and you have to also leave yourself some room TO work.
 
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As for me?
Nope, joining in isn't now nor has it ever been a requirement.

Sadly my dogs are gone now so no more sharing for now and maybe not ever.

So yes there's plenty of guys out there who won't demand anything in return, but don't expect an owner to let you be alone with their dog.
My number one rule was my animals never left my sight and my second rule was no large groups past two people, maybe a little more if I knew the people well. That was for my and my dogs' safety.
 
LostDog said:
As for me?
Nope, joining in isn't now nor has it ever been a requirement.

Sadly my dogs are gone now so no more sharing for now and maybe not ever.

So yes there's plenty of guys out there who won't demand anything in return, but don't expect an owner to let you be alone with their dog.
My number one rule was my animals never left my sight and my second rule was no large groups past two people, maybe a little more if I knew the people well. That was for my and my dogs' safety.
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I completely agree. She's there for the dog or dogs. I won't say no if she wants more, but that's not the reason she was invited.

Also too many people don't seem to think about the dog.
 
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