Views on Hunting?

FloofyNewfie

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So I know of at least one zoophile who likes to hunt for food and not for sport, such as deer for food. I myself don't have anything against hunting, but I could never bring myself to do it. I just can't, with my own two hands, bring myself to take the life of another animal even for consumption. This is quite hypocritical considering that I eat meat produced by factory farms which more than often treats their livestock like shit before slaughter.
 
Been hunting all of my life. Fishing too. I love my pets and care for them indiscriminately, but deer is deer, salmon is salmon, and I kill in the cleanest ways I can assuming luck is with me and against my prey.

Honest answer I dont want to sugar coat things when they genuinely aren't that way.
 
In my opinion its the way you grow up. Nothing more nothing less. I grew up in Washington state so with my dads fave pass time being hunting and or fishing I learned quick that animals are for food. Only in my adult life have I cum to find a deeoer love with animals. I enjoy keeping them satisfied and happy. Just as they enjoy doing the same for me. Its a plus all the way around. But as for the idea of eating meat or what have you... Just the way it goes. If we weren't so strong from our tech... We wouldnt be having this conversation as something would be eating us.
 

MRYP

Zooville Settler
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with hunting for food or for the sake of keeping nature healthy.
Where I live, Wolves had been extinct for a long time, slowly they are coming back but I guess they all will be shot sooner or later, because spoiled humans are afraid of getting eaten by a dog and are too lazy to use livestock-guarding dogs (or try to breed new livestock-guarding dog types that will fit into todays world better). So because of the lack of wolves here, there are too many prey animals like deer, rabbits, wild boars and such. Hunters are actually supposed to shoot the weaker ones, that will possibly not survive another winter or will die soon anyways because of sickness. Reality looks a little different tho.. Most hunters hunt for trophies, therefore they tend to shoot the most beautiful and stunning looking animals.
However this is only what I've learned from my man telling me. He used to be a hunter and quit because people would hunt irresponsibly, only for trophies.

Hunting for food is okay. As long as we watch out for the species not to become extinct.
I don't think humans need to eat meat every single day of the week. Looking back to ancient or medieval times, it is just insane how incredibly ignorant and spoiled we've become. However I need to feed my dog somehow, I can't afford to buy my dog a 30€ per Kilo Steak as I would spend 840€ a month just to feed ONE dog. Probably even more since he's allergic to beef.

I really want to learn to kill an animal in the future for consumption purposes, because I do not agree with the mass production of meat. I don't know if I also want to learn how to hunt.
My goal is to own a place where I can keep a few animals and give them a good life before they are killed to be eaten by me or my dogs.
 

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I will say if I had the money, time and ability, I would certainly hunt. And I can guarantee you that I'd make it as quick and humane as possible for the animal. My goal in hunting would be to put food on the table and maybe get some leather from it, but I cannot and will not hunt simply for the sake of doing so - that, in my opinion, is borderline cruelty. But being a hunter doesn't mean you have to be a brute. (Although there's plenty of brutish hunters around.)

On a side note, also hunting because of overpopulation of certain animals, or doing so to deal with invasive species is something that others may not agree with, but there's plenty of native animals that have been threatened by invasive species. Not to mention some of them potentially posing risks to people, but I'm getting off topic here.

And on another note I absolutely hate how factory farm animals are treated, and the reality of it is, even if I joined the protests to make a change for factory farm animal welfare, nothing would change. Those pockets are way too deep and the majority of people just don't care how factory livestock is treated.
 

l3w5

Zooville Settler
Imho, specialists must regulate the hunt. Scientists are zoologists, and specialists in biosphere interaction.
In my native country at the moment, hunting is regulated by the finances and ambitions of hunters. This is rather sad, in addition, it seems that this is a global trend. In the CIS(Commonwealth of Independent States) countries where I had to work, the situation is even worse. In European countries, a little better, it seems to me ...
 

FeralLovin'

Citizen of Zooville
I'm all for hunting, unfortunately I haven't done it since I was a youngin. Last thing I hunted was a squirrel. Mostly stick to fishing nowadays since it's cheaper (guns, bullets, and camo be pricey). I really don't think I'll have what it takes to pull the trigger on an animal anymore. Go too soft in my old age:husky_laughing: I certainly don't mind butchering a carcass with other hunters, so long as I get a cut from it when we're done.
 

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I'm all for hunting, unfortunately I haven't done it since I was a youngin. Last thing I hunted was a squirrel. Mostly stick to fishing nowadays since it's cheaper (guns, bullets, and camo be pricey). I really don't think I'll have what it takes to pull the trigger on an animal anymore. Go too soft in my old age:husky_laughing: I certainly don't mind butchering a carcass with other hunters, so long as I get a cut from it when we're done.
That too is my biggest issue - while I certainly can pull the trigger on it, would I even want to? TBH I would rather avoid doing it if I can.
 

Gemini75

Tourist
Hunting is a heavily regulated activity. Provided the hunters are following the proper regulations, I have no problems with it. That said, I don't hunt and never will hunt. It just not something I'd enjoy. But this is a free country and provided one abides by the law, one is free to pursuit their passions.
 

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Hunting is a heavily regulated activity. Provided the hunters are following the proper regulations, I have no problems with it. That said, I don't hunt and never will hunt. It just not something I'd enjoy. But this is a free country and provided one abides by the law, one is free to pursuit their passions.
The irony of hearing "law" and "free" being used in the same context makes my head spin. "Laws" are intended to restrict. And the funny thing is it's these same "laws" that make bestiality a "punishable" "offence".

Now, some "laws" are self explanatory, like making murder, rape and theft illegal. Of course, most normal people would never do any of these things to begin with. And in the instances where these crimes occurred, someone suffered in those instances, thus reparations should be made. If no one suffered, then there was no crime. But of course, that would be in a better world where things would be that way.

But I should get back to the on topic now.
 

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Not necessarily. The primary law in the US regulates governments, not citizens for the purpose of protecting citizens.
Yet hundreds of "laws" get passed every year designed to restrict citizens. And some of these same "laws" are being used to circumvent regulations on government as well.
 

caikgoch

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Yet hundreds of "laws" get passed every year designed to restrict citizens. And some of these same "laws" are being used to circumvent regulations on government as well.
No argument. What you miss is that freedom is a process, not a goal. Remember that "Tree of Liberty" line? That what it means. Freedom must be actively maintained or it will degrade.
 
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Tailo

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If hunting is done sustainably and reduces the suffering of the animal to near zero, then it's the most ethical way to obtain meat from a living animal in my opinion. I would include fishing here. There is still wrongness in killing a healthy animal who values its own life, who wants to live, and it's better when you can do without it. But I think there are situations where the alternatives are more harmful, and then it's choosing between bad and worse. Relatively speaking, it would be fair to say that hunting is even good and right then.
 

K9Duke697

Citizen of Zooville
I hunt, but not as much as I used to. These days I think of it as taking heavily armed walks in the woods.

In locations like mine it really is needed for wildlife population control. We have about three times as many deer as humans in our county, up 50% from just 20 years ago and from no deer left in the county 100 years ago. We now have deer starving in considerably numbers during harsh winters with hunters decreasing in number while deer keep breeding like crazy.
 

BlueBeard

Citizen of Zooville
I will say if I had the money, time and ability, I would certainly hunt. And I can guarantee you that I'd make it as quick and humane as possible for the animal. My goal in hunting would be to put food on the table and maybe get some leather from it, but I cannot and will not hunt simply for the sake of doing so - that, in my opinion, is borderline cruelty. But being a hunter doesn't mean you have to be a brute. (Although there's plenty of brutish hunters around.)

On a side note, also hunting because of overpopulation of certain animals, or doing so to deal with invasive species is something that others may not agree with, but there's plenty of native animals that have been threatened by invasive species. Not to mention some of them potentially posing risks to people, but I'm getting off topic here.

And on another note I absolutely hate how factory farm animals are treated, and the reality of it is, even if I joined the protests to make a change for factory farm animal welfare, nothing would change. Those pockets are way too deep and the majority of people just don't care how factory livestock is treated.
If hunting is done sustainably and reduces the suffering of the animal to near zero, then it's the most ethical way to obtain meat from a living animal in my opinion. I would include fishing here. There is still wrongness in killing a healthy animal who values its own life, who wants to live, and it's better when you can do without it. But I think there are situations where the alternatives are more harmful, and then it's choosing between bad and worse. Relatively speaking, it would be fair to say that hunting is even good and right then.
Agree quite a bit. But with "catch and release" fishing, I have huge conflict.

1. No such thing as a 100% survival rate for those you release. Larger, older fish, after the battle with you for their life, once released simply swim to the bottom and die. Young fish have good recovery rates. A conservation officer told me a good estimate in general, all game fish, was maybe 80% survival? (I never checked that). That means for every 10 fish that are caught and released, 2 died. The others healed until being caught again.

2. I never practice catch and release. I only catch fish to eat. It's a huge thrill to be successful but... that fish is fighting for its life. It's giving every ounce of fight it has to get free of you. Then you take its picture, put it back? I can't get past that, can't get my jollies off making a creature fear for its life, just for shits and giggles. If you're not going to eat the fish, don't pester it at all. To me, yeah... now we're talking animal sadism. As a kid, I wasn't the kind to pull the wings off flies or burn ants with magnifying glasses. Alway disgusted me that people did that. Just not in my character.

Same with deer. If you're not going to kill and eat the deer, then leave it the hell alone. Don't be sneaking out there in May trying to get a picture of a doe with her fawns. Leave them... the hell... alone. Have you ever seen what happens when you startle a doe and her fawns? I've come upon them by accident. Not good. Forty years ago I had tried to get closer to have a look. I never did *that* again. Doe busts out of there. Fawns wondering what the hell just happened. They try to find out where mamma went. And who am I? Where did *I* come from? And... then, well, it was kind of cool when they ran off all confused but ran across mamma's fresh trail. It's like they're on a leash that got jerked hard, their noses flipping their bodies in line with her direction as they headed after her.

But all that commotion. All that exertion. For what? For me to sneak a peak at them, see how close I could get. What if the fawns hadn't found her trail that quick? What if they got hurt, getting surprised like that?

Hunting and fishing are special things I get to be involved in. But yes, as Tailo said, it's not about just harassing animals or getting to "kill sumpin." It is still about reverence for life, for living creatures.
 

BlueBeard

Citizen of Zooville
I hunt, but not as much as I used to. These days I think of it as taking heavily armed walks in the woods.

In locations like mine it really is needed for wildlife population control. We have about three times as many deer as humans in our county, up 50% from just 20 years ago and from no deer left in the county 100 years ago. We now have deer starving in considerably numbers during harsh winters with hunters decreasing in number while deer keep breeding like crazy.
Yes. Conservationists report there are more whitetail now than in pre-European times. How that is possible? Guessing its food crops. Our corn and bean fields are just full of them.

And yet, some people say they've never seen one. This one guy visiting us said he never had. Never seen a deer out in the wild. I told him, "No problem. Come with me. I'll show you over 200." (It was late January, and they had "yarded up," something deer do here in the winter). I parked the car at an intersection in a valley. I pointed to the top of the hill and we started counting. As I recall there were more than 200 there... but there were two more hills in other directions with more deer. I guesstimated more than 400 deer around us within a 4 sq-mi area.

Sixty or 70 years ago, there had been none there. Today, they do huge damage to crops and the roadsides are littered with their carcasses. Tell you ONE group that wishes there were more hunters: Motor vehicle insurance companies.

And I don't live in one of the most congested deer areas. Over toward the east there are places a single hunter is allowed 6 deer with the right combination of tags. And up at the military reservation, they took what, something like 4,000? They had special hunts, youth hunts, guided bow hunts, muzzleloader hunts.

Down here, even 50 years ago, you had to win a lottery to get a deer tag. Today the lotteries are for anterless deer and second deer. I win the lottery every year I enter, meaning -- they're giving a lot away. They're raising the number to get ahead of overpopulation.

In urban areas they've experimented with bow hunting in the city parks. Tricky proposition. Mixed success. They do *get* deer, but ... you kinda don't want to be exposing citizens to deer staggering around, bleeding out, and the mess from gut piles (even if they're bagged and cleaned up).

And yes, now we contend with chronic wasting disease. It's been spreading.

Good news is, the wildlife efforts FUNDED BY HUNTERS AND FISHERMEN (by the way), have been bringing back the wolves (another interesting problem) and even mountain lions. Seeing more cougars each year.

People who forecast the demise of hunting? -- What are YOU smoking? Hunting is a key conservation tool and a huge source of funding.
 

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Agree quite a bit. But with "catch and release" fishing, I have huge conflict.

1. No such thing as a 100% survival rate for those you release. Larger, older fish, after the battle with you for their life, once released simply swim to the bottom and die. Young fish have good recovery rates. A conservation officer told me a good estimate in general, all game fish, was maybe 80% survival? (I never checked that). That means for every 10 fish that are caught and released, 2 died. The others healed until being caught again.

2. I never practice catch and release. I only catch fish to eat. It's a huge thrill to be successful but... that fish is fighting for its life. It's giving every ounce of fight it has to get free of you. Then you take its picture, put it back? I can't get past that, can't get my jollies off making a creature fear for its life, just for shits and giggles. If you're not going to eat the fish, don't pester it at all. To me, yeah... now we're talking animal sadism. As a kid, I wasn't the kind to pull the wings off flies or burn ants with magnifying glasses. Alway disgusted me that people did that. Just not in my character.

Same with deer. If you're not going to kill and eat the deer, then leave it the hell alone. Don't be sneaking out there in May trying to get a picture of a doe with her fawns. Leave them... the hell... alone. Have you ever seen what happens when you startle a doe and her fawns? I've come upon them by accident. Not good. Forty years ago I had tried to get closer to have a look. I never did *that* again. Doe busts out of there. Fawns wondering what the hell just happened. They try to find out where mamma went. And who am I? Where did *I* come from? And... then, well, it was kind of cool when they ran off all confused but ran across mamma's fresh trail. It's like they're on a leash that got jerked hard, their noses flipping their bodies in line with her direction as they headed after her.

But all that commotion. All that exertion. For what? For me to sneak a peak at them, see how close I could get. What if the fawns hadn't found her trail that quick? What if they got hurt, getting surprised like that?

Hunting and fishing are special things I get to be involved in. But yes, as Tailo said, it's not about just harassing animals or getting to "kill sumpin." It is still about reverence for life, for living creatures.
I certainly burned ants - why wouldn't you after an armful of them left your arm feeling like it was on fire for a week?

As far as nature photography goes, I can't say I'm against it, although it's preferable to not have the animals fear for their lives, if it can be avoided.

And thanks for the info about the catch and release fishing, I was wondering what the survival rates were.
 

arcticwolf69

Citizen of Zooville
I once hunted regularly, got my bag limit most days on ducks and geese that i froze for later dog food
Shoot a doe or two for the freezer, i never cared about trophies, those are ones that should be left to gift the next generation with their genes
Not hunted in years, no longer have a real need to
I fish but i keep what i catch, when i got a meal i leave... have never seen a purpose in spending a day catching and releasing all the fish i could catch, knowing they were fighting for their lives with everything they had ... how many years are stolen simply from the extreme trauma, of fighting for your life till you have nothing left to fight with .... and also knowing a good number won't recover at all.
Pointless fun? NO i can have more fun with my dogs then fishing or hunting. When my lab and great duck retriever passed.. so to did the desire for duck hunting or another retriever
I also spent many years raising training coon hounds, hunting every weekend by myself or with friends, mostly for them to get the exercise, never had an interest in shooting the terrified coon ... leave him to tree again in a few months. Reached a point in life i realized it was pointless to be doing such things.
And, trying to stay afloat in life ends up taking much more of my time then i can realistically spend in such endeavors in the first place
 

BlueBeard

Citizen of Zooville
I certainly burned ants - why wouldn't you after an armful of them left your arm feeling like it was on fire for a week?

As far as nature photography goes, I can't say I'm against it, although it's preferable to not have the animals fear for their lives, if it can be avoided.

And thanks for the info about the catch and release fishing, I was wondering what the survival rates were.
Well, I have one confession. I do steal that line from sports fishermen. If someone asks how come I missed the deer or didn't fill a tag? "I did *not* miss. I'm a shoot-n-release hunter."

;)
 
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Sasnox

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I think catch and release fishing(especially when you incorporate tagging for preservation purposes) is more than acceptable, and that hunting with tranqs if you're skilled enough to track and follow the animal, and then take a picture with them and wait for them to start waking up before releasing them would be an acceptable way to hunt for sport.

Aside from that the only type of hunting I'm okay with is hunting strictly for food. Since pelts no longer have much use in a clothing world filled with cotton and synthetic fibers then in my opinion hunting for any reason besides food is taboo, and not okay with me. Unless the animal population in question is an invasive/overpopulatative species that would destroy the ecosystem if left unchecked.
 

Bloodwolf

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I think catch and release fishing(especially when you incorporate tagging for preservation purposes) is more than acceptable, and that hunting with tranqs if you're skilled enough to track and follow the animal, and then take a picture with them and wait for them to start waking up before releasing them would be an acceptable way to hunt for sport.

Aside from that the only type of hunting I'm okay with is hunting strictly for food. Since pelts no longer have much use in a clothing world filled with cotton and synthetic fibers then in my opinion hunting for any reason besides food is taboo, and not okay with me. Unless the animal population in question is an invasive/overpopulatative species that would destroy the ecosystem if left unchecked.
I use buck skin quite a lot. A pair of pants is very nice.
 
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Sasnox

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I use buck skin quite a lot. A pair of pants is very nice.
Well as long as the rest of the deer isn't going to waste of course I think using their pelt is perfectly fine. I only have an issue with hunting when it involves killing them for one specific thing, and leaving the rest to go to waste.
 

l3w5

Zooville Settler
I am positive towards adequate hunters. Among them are my good friends. I myself do not enjoy hunting, but legally I am also a hunter. I have to do this in order to have a rifle in my possession, and practice shooting on the grounds. The nuances of the law.
 
If animals do it its ok for us to do too is how I see things like this. Though there's a few things animals do in the wild that might not be great for us to do (wolves beating up their omega, dolphins gang raping, ect.). If you are hunting for food, fine. If you are hunting for actual conservation reasons (limiting over population), fine. If your a trophy hunter, I'm a little less ok with it but what ever. As for myself, every one in my family hunts, though typically its only white tail deer during seasons. When I was in my teens I went out on a couple hunts with my family, first time out I have a huge buck walk in front of me within a few minutes of sitting down, some how managed to miss him and ended up in a staring match with him because he didn't run away after I shot and was between me and the direction my brother had just went off in so I yelled at him to get lost instead of firing again for safety. Next time out I got a burn on my hip because my mother insisted I take one of those hand warmers in a plastic bag and I put it in my pocket while walking to my spot; rubbing around in my pants pocket activated it and it got hot enough to burn my which made sitting there very unfun. Haven't been hunting since then.
Maybe my outlook on hunting is tainted considering I grew up on a farm where some of our animals were raised for meat. Its just how it is and you don't really think about it too much, you just get used to it. All I know is I couldn't bring myself to gut a deer if I had to and I always felt very creeped out any time I looked at a dead one up close, specially if it had been gutted. I suppose thats a natural reaction to dead things most people have. Though I think its animal specific as I rarely had that same creeped out feeling when it came to the farm animals, or at least not as strongly a feeling.
 
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sososo

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Sport? ?
Food? ?

I mean if a hunter is actually a good hunter they will give animals a more lenient and humane death than most factories anyways so
 

yamaha2461

Tourist
myself i have "a Few" Pet doe deer's and i also go hunting, of course i don't shoot my pet deer , i normally go pretty far from my house.
I agree it's hard to kill them! But at the same time... i only shoot bucks and never doe.
 
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