The curse of an exclusively zoophilic attraction

[sirius]

I think your depression is ruining your life FAR more than your attraction to animals. I have many friends in the same boat as you. A couple of them are doing substantially better with counseling and/or medication. I would try that first.

Aye. The problem with that I already know everything that a shrink can and will tell me and it's all stuff I don't want to hear. If I have to give up my dreams and instead focus on meaningless pursuits to pass the time until I die, I'd honestly rather die now. I'm sorry, but I can't see what the point of living is if one has to forgo any sort of intrinsic motivation. And the same goes for medication. If I need manufactured chemicals to warp my mind into making me believe life is worth giving a toss, it's probably not. Is that selfish? Yeah. I never said I wasn't selfish.

As far as your comment regarding altered dogs worldwide, you are actually pretty off-base with that. Aside from the U.S., Canada, and the U.K. (Maybe Australia), it is more common to leave pets intact than to neuter. In a few countries, like Norway, it is actually illegal to neuter unless there is a medical need. The whole attitude towards pet ownership in much of Europe is vastly different from here.

Well, that's fascinating. Better start working my ass off to be born in another country then.

 

[Zoo50]

This post, made in a different thread, may be of interest to you:

First let’s make this vitally important commitment: No matter what happens, DO NOT KILL YOURSELF!!
I say that as a person who has tried to commit suicide twice, and came very close to death the second time.
Here’s why you must stay alive. I know exactly how you feel, i know the intense pain that engulfs your entire existance. I suffered through that for almost 20 years then i found help and you can too and once the burden is lifted off your back you wont believe how incredible life is! And you’ll be so thankful that you are alive!

i suspect you have a couple of things going on. One is your love of animals which is perfectly ok and normal for so many people myself included.

Second, I’m almost certain you’re battling depression that makes your entire life feel like hell all the time. I’ve been there.

Before you can fully appreciate your animal attractions you’ve got to get the depression under control. There are several things to do to help.
Let me ask, how did you feel immediately after those long bike rides to and from the stables? Other than exhausted, I’ll bet you felt pretty good about life in general didn’t you?

Exercise causes our brains to produce more endorphins which are the chemicals that make us happy. So, when you’re feeling especially down, go for a bike ride or a brisk walk to get those happy chemicals flowing up there.

You really also need to find a doctor to help by letting you try antidepressants and once you find the one that works with your personal brain chemistry, man, you’ll want to live forever! Once you taste how good life is once you get those chemicals in the brain hitting on most cylinders you are going to find everything in your life so much easier to understand and to prioritize.

i did it. It took trial and error a few times trying different antidepressants from my shrink but one finally worked and I’ve never been happier in my life.

Regarding your love of animals, when you see a psychiatrist they will talk with you about the things in your life that are bothering you. I’m not sure that I would mention your physical attraction to animals because it is almost a certainty that the doc will not understand it in the slightest.

in my case, I kept my bisexuality hidden from my doctors because i couldnt bring myself to tell anyone that I’m sexually attracted to both women and men. So my strong desires to suck horse and dog cocks was not about to even come close to being mentioned to them!

after one of the antidepressants worked and the thoughts of suicide vanished, i was able to think so much clearer about my life and what I wanted to do with it.

I eventually decided to take a leap into a complete life changing decision I’d dreamed of all my adult life, since seeing my very first porn video at age 12.

i wanted to be in the girl’s place in that video so badly, I vowed to one day go into starring in gay porn.

three years and 6 weeks ago I did it! I quit my very successful and highly respected career as a Pulitzer Prize winning newspaper photojournalist and started appearing in amateur gay porn! And lots of it! In the 3 years since I’ve starred in over 200 gay porn videos that are located at over 100 porn sites worldwide. And the kicker is that I use my real and full name as my porn name, Stewart Bowman.

the move cost me my family,every friend I’ve ever had and my six figure career in the news business. With all that cost, you know what? I’m happier than I’ve ever been in my life.

Had i not gotten a handle on the depression I could have never done something as extreme as my move out of the closet and right into porn, which shocked the hell out of everyone who knew me, which explains why they all completely removed me from their lives.

Declare war on your depression and everything else in your life will fall right into place.

i’ll be cheering for you my friend.
(I’ll understand if you’d prefer not to have a semi-pro gay porn slut as a friend, lol)

hang in there,
Stewart

 

[sirius]

Thanks, that helped

 

[Aluzky]

@sirius

It is a blessing, if you dated humans, I ensure you, you would suffer more, as the odds of finding a perfect human that won't make you suffer is infinitesimally low. With dogs, almost any dog will be the perfect dog.

If you adopted a dog, how come you have not been intimate with her/him? Just hugging him/her while jerking yourself off is enough intimacy. You could also do dry humping sexual acts. (I'm assuming your dog is sexually mutilated, limiting yours and her/him sexual options) Like, there is almost no excuse to not be intimate with your own dog in one way or another, even if the dog is de-sexed/mutilated-sexually.

Maybe you could also have some mental depressive illness, maybe some brain chemical imbalance, making you depressed. In which case, you taking drugs is not to warp your mind, but to make your mind normal so you can think normally. You should definitely try finding psychiatric help, preferably some one who is educated about zoosexuality and treats it as a sexual orientation.

 

[BlueBeard]

Mixed blessing.

Comparing our dog to my human wife, for instance. My wife has a rich, thick head of hair I do *not* have to vacuum off my furniture and floors three times a day nor extract from my supper plate before I take a bite. She has NEVER ONCE gnawed the cushions off our dining room chairs or eaten her way through my favorite baseball cap.

Learns much faster than a dog, too. After just one zap on her shock collar set at 6, she's never, ever chased a car down the street again. (But set on 2 or 3? That just makes sex more interesting and fun for her. And me.)



Not trying to interrupt. Just injecting humor into your day. (Funny? I thought it was funny. I mean, *I* laughed. Hope you laughed, too) .

 

[sirius]

It is a blessing, if you dated humans, I ensure you, you would suffer more, as the odds of finding a perfect human that won't make you suffer is infinitesimally low. With dogs, almost any dog will be the perfect dog.

Dating is a pain in the ass, but the difference between dating and zoophilia is that dating is done between fully developed human beings capable of speech, complex and abstract thought and autonomy. If you date someone and the compatibility isn't there, you can talk it over and agree to end the relationship. It can be annoying, it can be painful, but that is unfortunately how dating goes. The potential payoff is finding somebody who is compatible with you and what you want in life in life and vice versa. Trying to seek an intimate relationship with an animal doesn't work that way. If you enter a relationship with an animal, unless you are fencehopping or joining the relationship of another zoophile, chances are you will have to commit without even knowing if you are compatible. And if it isn't, well... there is no "talking it over and ending the relationship." It's a lifelong commitment, for better or for worse. Finding a compatible dog is a coin flip. Finding the perfect dog is akin to winning the lottery. Luck is the ONLY factor at play here.

If you adopted a dog, how come you have not been intimate with her/him? Just hugging him/her while jerking yourself off is enough intimacy. You could also do dry humping sexual acts. (I'm assuming your dog is sexually mutilated, limiting yours and her/him sexual options) Like, there is almost no excuse to not be intimate with your own dog in one way or another, even if the dog is de-sexed/mutilated-sexually.

Because some dogs aren't interested in having sex with humans. I assure you Aluzky, they exist. If I force myself on a dog who isn't interested, it's not much better than rape and I'm not doing that.

 

[Aluzky]

Finding a compatible dog is a coin flip.

Any dog that is a dog is a perfect dog, at least if you truly love dogs. The point of zoosexual relationships is the relationship with the dog, sex IF IT HAPPENS, is just a bonus on top of the relationship. If some one is getting dogs just for the sex, that person is not a zoosexual but a bestialist.

The odds of you getting a dog that is... I don't know, neurotic, insane, unpredictable, aggressive, is almost non-existent. Any dog raised from puppy to adult will almost always be a lovely dog to you.

Because some dogs aren't interested in having sex with humans. I assure you Aluzky, they exist. If I force myself on a dog who isn't interested, it's not much better than rape and I'm not doing that.

I made it pretty clear, even with the most asexual dog, you can still hug the dog while jerking off. There is no excuse to not have intimate activities with the most asexual dog. Unless the person is only thinking in penetrative sex, in which case, that person seem to have got the dog only for sexual reasons. In which case, that person is better off buying a fleshlight than a dog as a living sex toy. Or jerking off to zooporn.

A zoosexual should never get dogs with the idea of sex only, sex is an extra bonus, the point of zoosexual relationships is the loving relationship with the dog.

 

[ukbiuk]

Sirius...

I want you to know you have been heard, and although you can't see me nodding, I am. I *have* tasted the muzzle of gun. It was while I was living alone, bankrupt, out of a job and having been accused of a felony that, although I was convicted, it was overturned and expunged two years later. Struggling to overcome, and then overcoming the conviction, vindicated but... completely bankrupt and then homeless, divorced and estranged from my children. Out of a job, all finances ruined. Starving. I had been a man of high social status and means. Then ruined, friendless, and rejected. I had been a very dedicated member of the Catholic Church, but no one helped, not the priest, not the parish.

Bottom, man. Bottom. I ate from dumpsters behind two restaurants across the street from each other and got busted for *that*! (Apparently you're committing a crime digging through dumpsters on private property).

All of that (my story) neither here nor there. Just "street creds." Show you it's not just lip service when I say: You are a unique man in the world, beyond compare. The world waited 4.5 billion years for your arrival. You waited 4.5 billion years to take your turn. Don't jump off the ride early. Hang on. Count blessings, not curses, and you might still see you're a lucky man. Breathe. Can it get better? Yes! Long haul, but little by little things turned around for me. I have recouped everything that was lost, and more. I developed a close relationship with a single mom that, although I was *never* going to marry again, make my self vulnerable like that again, has been my wife now for 12 years. Discovered early in the marriage that she, too, was zoo, and less "shamed" about it that I was. In fact, although discrete, just sees it as a natural extension of her relationship with animals.

What a turnaround, right? Wow! None of it planned or groomed or scheduled. --- And you need to hang in there, see what the future holds for you.

As a writer, I use a lot of writer metaphors. One is that I learned not to work so hard at "scripting" my life, working to make *my* plan work at all costs. Instead, I learned the hard way to let the story tell itself to me. Turns out, it is a far, far greater, more wondrous, more rewarding story than *I* could have ever written by "forcing" it.

Can't wait to see how *yours* turns out for you.

Oh! -- And about life not seeming fair? How some people are so lucky and others get nothing? I always say, "If life were *fair*, I wouldn't have gotten *this* far."

I consider the state of the vast majority of the 7 billion people living on this planet. Ninety percent do not have access to public (free/cheap) education. Seventy-five percent have only what they're wearing, no change of clothes. Half do not have access to clean drinking water. The majority of people on the planet are fully occupied each day with the struggle to have basic human needs met on the most fundamental level, getting food and water for the day for them and their families. Stopping to consider my current state compared to theirs, I almost always end up saying, "Holy shit, I'm an ungrateful bastard! I'm rich!!!"

It's *only* when we come to a room like this that we feel deprived by comparisons -- and that's only if we forget a lot of folks in here (just like on Facebook, where people post happy pictures of their holidays instead of how the father and mother are always screaming at the kids) are greatly exaggerating how they portray their happy lives. You see only what people *want* others to see.

Sometimes we might envy others -- until we see what we'd have to become to be like them. When we see *all* that the other people are, their lives are not so alluring anymore.

Talk about leaving it all out there... you and everyone here have to be respected.. not many have a conviction as strong as you all have here.. Sending all my love and best wishes..

 

[sirius]

Any dog that is a dog is a perfect dog, at least if you truly love dogs. The point of zoosexual relationships is the relationship with the dog, sex IF IT HAPPENS, is just a bonus on top of the relationship. If some one is getting dogs just for the sex, that person is not a zoosexual but a bestialist.

One should never get dogs with the idea of sex only, sex is an extra bonus, the point of zoosexual relationships is the loving relationship with the dog.

Applying that logic to any other sexuality would be absolutely asinine. If the end goal of heterosexuality/homosexuality was only to hang out with people of a different/same gender, dating or any form of courtship or seduction wouldn't exist, marriage wouldn't exist, Tinder certainly wouldn't have 10s of millions of users around the globe and in fact, the human race probably wouldn't exist because there would be no incentive for anyone to reproduce. I don't need to be a zoosexual to love dogs. As a matter of fact, most people who love dogs aren't zoos. I am a zooSEXUAL which means I am SEXUALLY attracted to dogs and my end goal is to have a SEXUAL relationship with one. If my dog isn't interested in anything SEXUAL, as great as she is, I don't consider ourselves compatible because, as a zooSEXUAL, I desire a SEXUAL relationship with her. That's the entire point of this post. How zooSEXUALITY is a curse. How my life would likely be much better if the SEXUAL aspect wasn't there to begin with.

I made it pretty clear, even with the most asexual dog, you can still hug the dog while jerking off. There is no excuse to not have intimate activities with the most asexual dog. Unless the person is only thinking in penetrative sex, in which case, that person seem to have got the dog only for sexual reasons. In wich case, that person is better off buying a fleshlight than a dog as a living sex toy.

After all that weird soapboxing and accusing me of being a bestialist, it really sounds like you're the bestialist here. If you're fine with a sexual relationship with an animal going only one way (and specifically, your way), you're the one using animals as sex toys. So I'm going to be clear with this again, for me, sexuality goes BOTH ways.

 

[Aluzky]

Applying that logic to any other sexuality would be absolutely asinine.

Zoosexuality is different from other sexualities, so, who told you to amply zoosexual logic on non-zoosexual relationships? You are doing a red herring fallacy by applying zoosexual logic on non-zoosexual orientations.

I don't need to be a zoosexual to love dogs.

Well, yes, you could love dogs to a lesser degree, as you would love a friend or relative. But to love them to a higher degree, you need to be a zoosexual. Same way you don't need to be gay to love a dude as a friend or as a relative, but to truly love a dude as a husband, you need to be gay.

As a matter of fact, most people who love dogs aren't zoos.

Correct, they are just normal people who love them as friends, pets, relatives, they don't love them like a husband or wife, wih is how zoosexuals love animals.

I am a zooSEXUAL which means I am SEXUALLY attracted to dogs and my end goal is to have a SEXUAL relationship with one.

A zoosexual is sexually and Emotionally/Romantically attracted to an animal, they see and love the animal as a husband/wife. You are clearly missing that romantic aspect of zoosexuality, else, you would have no problems in having a relationship with your dog without the sexual aspect. Your claims makes it quite clear that you are a bestialist (nothing wrong with that) which is a different group of humans (bestialist are not zoosexuals) who don't have a sexual orientation for animals. Bestialists only care about their own sexual satisfaction, this is why you see your dog as a failure as she is not into sex with humans.

If my dog isn't interested in anything SEXUAL, as great as she is, I don't consider ourselves compatible because, as a zooSEXUAL, I desire a SEXUAL relationship with her.

As a bestialist, you don't see yourself as compatible with her because she does not let you have sex with her. As you said, you goal is SEX, not a loving human+canine husband+wife relationship. So, could you stop using the incorrect term and address yourself as a bestialist? You, by your own words, have gave enough evidence that you are not a zoosexual.

Like I said before, any zoosexual would be compatible with a dog, even if the dogs is asexual. Because to zoosexuals the romantically part of the relationship is FIRST. It is the same as a husband and wife, who remain together and loving despite her wife having no usable vagina because of an aggressive cancer. He may not be able to fuck her, but he still wish to be with her because he loves her.

That's the entire point of this post.

Yea, we get it, you got a dog with the only goal of fucking her, but she is not into that and now you are calling it a curse that you are a bestialist.

Question: Do you feel significant distress or depression or significant impairment in your daily runine or you harm yourself or others because of your bestialist attraction? If you do, you literally can be diagnosed as having a zoophilic disorder. And it you feel that way, is best that you seem mental help counseling in real life to help you with that disorder.

How zooSEXUALITY is a curse.

Again, don't say "how zoosexuality is a curse" when you should be saying "how bestialism is a curse to me" ←Again, you don't fit the definition of a zoosexual, you are incorrect in calling zoosexuality a curse.

Also, since you seem incapable of loving humans (I will assume you are a bestialist exclusive) that is the curse that you have? That only animals arouse you? Well, easy answer is, get another, eventually you will get one that is into sex with humans and that should keep your libido happy for a few years. Rinse and repeat. It "sucks" that you end up as a bestialist exclusive, but self hating yourself won't make things better for you. Accepting that this is how you are and find a way to be happy, that is the best you can do.

How my life would likely be much better if the SEXUAL aspect wasn't there to begin with.

Won't you be asexual if you didn't lust for doggy sex? Some asexuals are miserable. So, you may as well be in the same position or worse if you where an asexual. Same if you where into humans, lots of humans end up suicide because of failed human+human relationships. In the end, you don't know if you would have been more happy. So why worry about that? Instead you should work to make the present YOU happy.

After all that weird soapboxing and accusing me of being a bestialist

You may want to read my reply again, nowhere I accused you of being a bestialist. I made generic statement of what a bestialist would be like. If you fit that definition, so be it. (And it seem you fit the definition.)

Also, there is nothing wrong with being a bestialist. And from your own words, you are a bestialist.

it really sounds like you're the bestialist here.

Sounds like you are pulling up a poisoning the well fallacy. Along with good old projection.

FYI: I have been in a loving relationship with 2 different dogs, as husband and a wife for a total of 14 yeas (in total) This is something a bestialist can't pull off as they don't fall inlove with animals. I know for a fact that I'm a zoosexual and not a bestialist as i fit the definition of zoosexuality, I would love my husband/wife even if they could not perform sexually.

If you're fine with a sexual relationship with an animal going only one way (and specifically, your way), you're the one using animals as sex toys.

I have no problem with bestialists using animals as sex toys, as long as it is consensual
and harmless, I don't care.

If a person loves the animal as a zoosexual would love an animal, him/her having a one way sexual encounter won't mean that the zoosexual sees the animal as a sex toy. We just never see them as sex toys.

If you want to be really anal about it, any human or animal being used for sex, could be seen as a sex toy by YOU. Point is, zoosexuals don't see them as sex toys, only bestialists see them or treat them as sex toys.

So I'm going to be clear with this again, for me, sexuality goes BOTH ways.

What does that suppose to mean?


Also, IMO, you give me the feeling that you are trying to be a zoosexual when most likely you aren't and this is causing you frustration. Best thing to do is to accept that you are not a zoosexual, be a bestialist and be happy about it. Also, you totally sound like you have some underliying mental health problem, you being a bestialist is not helping you either.

 

[ScreamingTrees]

Bottom, man. Bottom. I ate from dumpsters behind two restaurants across the street from each other and got busted for *that*! (Apparently you're committing a crime digging through dumpsters on private property).
...

Gotta say, this is a very inspiring comeback story that I needed right now. Thanks.

(edited just to be clear that the entire story is the inspiration, not the part I quoted, lol)

 

[BlueBeard]

How zooSEXUALITY is a curse. How my life would likely be much better if the SEXUAL aspect wasn't there to begin with.

*finger to tip of nose*

Dead on. Well, the part about sexuality being a curse. That we are sexual at all.... great opportunity for pleasure, sure. But what if it *never* factored in. Not at all. We never had this... yearning. We never had this... distraction.

What if how/when/why we wanted this thing just wasn't a factor in our lives?

I wished for that for decades. It seemed to make *everything* in my life worse. Sexuality, period, was a curse.

That changed when I met my wife. The one I'm married to right now. Daughter of a hippie psychologist. First time I mentioned that to her, that I wished sex wasn't a "thing," because it gets into relationships and just seems to make everything worse.

She immediately countered, "No it doesn't. I think it makes everything a little better."

How do you answer that? I just... well... my jaw just hit the ground. Speechless. How could anyone believe that? But she was smiling. She wasn't making fun of me. That wasn't a smart-assed answer. She believed it.

She had been raised differently from you and me. Sex was never a bad thing. There were no sacred/evil body parts. Just some parts were more "fun" than others. And the way you had fun with them? Anyone else judges you for it, that's *their* problem. She *hated* that others condemned this or that.

... Slowly.... slowly ... I learned to think like her. Not easy. But shame, guilt, external expectations... all fell away. And I realized my sexuality isn't that big a deal. It's only a small part of "me." And it was not perverse. It certainly did not make *me* perverse. And having or not having this or that, was really neither here nor there.

Just accept things as they are. Just accept your situation. It's not... that... big... a deal. Not really. We always wish so many things were different. We always think things would be so much better if just this or that were different.

They probably wouldn't be. We'd find something else was a curse.

When I stop to think about it, right now, at my age, with all my "conditions" and limitations, I can think of so many, many things that should be making me feel miserable. But I wasn't thinking about them until just now, when I thought that I *could* be thinking about them.

Because I don't.

I wish there was a way to share my happiness with other people. It's not my *situation* that's making me this happy. It's my choice. So hard to explain....

Oh oh oh... and if you say, "I meant, to *be* zoo sexual and NOT being having sex. YOU are getting it and I ain't." Don't be so sure about that. I don't need to have sex to be happy. Do you?

 

[sirius]

so, who told you to amply zoosexual logic on non-zoosexual relationships?

Um... you did? The FIRST thing you did in your original post in this thread was to compare dating people with having zoosexual relationships. Let's compare apples to apples.

I mean... for god's sake you yourself say that in literally the next paragraph:

But to love them to a higher degree, you need to be a zoosexual. Same way you don't need to be gay to love a dude as a friend or as a relative, but to truly love a dude as a husband, you need to be gay.

You know what's the difference between having a guy as a friend and having a guy as a boyfriend? Intimacy and sex. Romanticism is part of sexuality. They aren't separate things.

I don't need you here thinking you know me better than I know myself and accusing me of being a bestialist. You don't know anything about me.

 

[sirius]

*finger to tip of nose*

Dead on. Well, the part about sexuality being a curse. That we are sexual at all.... great opportunity for pleasure, sure. But what if it *never* factored in. Not at all. We never had this... yearning. We never had this... distraction.

What if how/when/why we wanted this thing just wasn't a factor in our lives?

I wished for that for decades. It seemed to make *everything* in my life worse. Sexuality, period, was a curse.

That changed when I met my wife. The one I'm married to right now. Daughter of a hippie psychologist. First time I mentioned that to her, that I wished sex wasn't a "thing," because it gets into relationships and just seems to make everything worse.

She immediately countered, "No it doesn't. I think it makes everything a little better."

How do you answer that? I just... well... my jaw just hit the ground. Speechless. How could anyone believe that? But she was smiling. She wasn't making fun of me. That wasn't a smart-assed answer. She believed it.

She had been raised differently from you and me. Sex was never a bad thing. There were no sacred/evil body parts. Just some parts were more "fun" than others. And the way you had fun with them? Anyone else judges you for it, that's *their* problem. She *hated* that others condemned this or that.

... Slowly.... slowly ... I learned to think like her. Not easy. But shame, guilt, external expectations... all fell away. And I realized my sexuality isn't that big a deal. It's only a small part of "me." And it was not perverse. It certainly did not make *me* perverse. And having or not having this or that, was really neither here nor there.

Just accept things as they are. Just accept your situation. It's not... that... big... a deal. Not really. We always wish so many things were different. We always think things would be so much better if just this or that were different.

They probably wouldn't be. We'd find something else was a curse.

When I stop to think about it, right now, at my age, with all my "conditions" and limitations, I can think of so many, many things that should be making me feel miserable. But I wasn't thinking about them until just now, when I thought that I *could* be thinking about them.

Because I don't.

I wish there was a way to share my happiness with other people. It's not my *situation* that's making me this happy. It's my choice. So hard to explain....

Oh oh oh... and if you say, "I meant, to *be* zoo sexual and NOT being having sex. YOU are getting it and I ain't." Don't be so sure about that. I don't need to have sex to be happy. Do you?

If all we need to do to find contentment in life is to accept our situation no matter what it is, where does the motivation to do anything come from? In fact, why not commit suicide immediately? What's the point in doing anything and keep on living? There is as much potential contentment in death than there is in life.

 

[Aluzky]

Um... you did? The FIRST thing you did in your original post in this thread was to compare dating people with having zoosexual relationships. Let's compare apples to apples. I mean... for god's sake you yourself say that in literally the next paragraph:

Thing is, I'm carefully making VALID comparison, as you said, comparing apples to apples. You on the other hand are comparing apples to rocks.

The end goal of heterosexual and homosexual relationships, is to be with some one that you love. Again, sex is a bonus. Again, you compared apples to rocks.

Marriage exist because of property right, not because it is needed to be in a homosexual or heterosexuals relationship. in fact, may people are in such relationships and never get married. With zoosexuality, animals can't have property rights, so again, you are comparing apples to rocks.

Tinder and grinder are sex app, though can be used by those who seek long term relationships too. Such apps can't be used by dogs, again, comparing rocks to apples.

You know what's the difference between having a guy as a friend and having a guy as a boyfriend? Intimacy and sex. Romanticism is part of sexuality. They aren't separate things.

Do you understand the requirements for something to be classified as a sexual orientation? If you are a dude and you enjoy gay sex but you are 100% unable to feel love for another dude, then you are not a homosexual. Because one key defining factors needed to be a homosexual, is having the ability to feel romantic attraction toward the same sex. If you only feel sexual attraction to the same sex, that is a fetish/paraphilia for gay sex.

It is the same way as bestialists are not zoosexuals. Bestialists have a paraphilia/fetish for zoosex.

I don't need you here thinking you know me better than I know myself and accusing me of being a bestialist. You don't know anything about me.

I only know what you have disclosed. What you have disclosed totally paints you as being a bestialist.

Would you be ashamed if you happened to be bestialist? Do you feel that being a zoosexual is the only right way to have relationships with an animal? Do you dislike bestialist that use animals as sex toys?

I'm not a psychologist but if you give enough information about your beliefs, i can point out where in your beliefs you are incorrect, and that could help you in correcting those belief so you end up happier. But again, it would be better if you seek in real life mental help, as IMO, you seem to need it. I find it odd that you come here, making a post that is a clear scream for help, yet you don't want to let us help you. I asked you questions and you ignore them. You will probably also ignore those other new questions that I made. So, you don't want help? You only want for us to pity you? What is that you want? What is the goal of you making this post? Drawing attention?

 

[Tailo]

If all we need to do to find contentment in life is to accept our situation no matter what it is, where does the motivation to do anything come from? In fact, why not commit suicide immediately? What's the point in doing anything and keep on living? There is as much potential contentment in death than there is in life.

A lot of motivation comes from the chemicals our own body produces—stuff like hormones and neuro-transmitters. If this system is imbalanced like in a depression, it may need professional help and in some cases medication to regain enjoyment and positive feelings. Accepting one's situation may be part of this process in order not to dwell so much on negative thoughts. On the other hand it may also help to change certain things that can be changed. For example, for someone who is close to burn-out due to their work, a reduction of pressure at work or even getting out of that job may be a more helpful strategy than trying to accept an ever growing pile of work and stress.

It's hard to find a solution over the internet. I know I am not qualified to do this, as much as I would like to help. I can give you a smile though: ? I am sure that there are people who can help.

 

[ZTHorse]

Applying that logic to any other sexuality would be absolutely asinine. If the end goal of heterosexuality/homosexuality was only to hang out with people of a different/same gender, dating or any form of courtship or seduction wouldn't exist, marriage wouldn't exist, Tinder certainly wouldn't have 10s of millions of users around the globe and in fact, the human race probably wouldn't exist because there would be no incentive for anyone to reproduce. I don't need to be a zoosexual to love dogs. As a matter of fact, most people who love dogs aren't zoos. I am a zooSEXUAL which means I am SEXUALLY attracted to dogs and my end goal is to have a SEXUAL relationship with one. If my dog isn't interested in anything SEXUAL, as great as she is, I don't consider ourselves compatible because, as a zooSEXUAL, I desire a SEXUAL relationship with her. That's the entire point of this post. How zooSEXUALITY is a curse. How my life would likely be much better if the SEXUAL aspect wasn't there to begin with.



After all that weird soapboxing and accusing me of being a bestialist, it really sounds like you're the bestialist here. If you're fine with a sexual relationship with an animal going only one way (and specifically, your way), you're the one using animals as sex toys. So I'm going to be clear with this again, for me, sexuality goes BOTH ways.

You brought up an VERY interesting point is, how does a zoo-sexual actually date? I mean, afterall you are looking for a complete relationship, so how does one date animals ethically?

Maybe i was just fortunate but, I always had a revolving door of mares coming in and out of our stable, and since i could "date" mares, get to know them and see if they were interested, i could then see which ones were interested and which were not. Eventually I dated many mares who were into zoo, and found my mare wife i have now.

But with dogs, its much more complicated. I suppose you could "date" adult dogs, home them for a few months before serious attachment develops but not long enough that they don't trust you and see if shes interested, if not, you re-home her again to another loving family. A revolving door of dogs into your home, dating them, then re-homing them to another family until you find your loving partner.

I don't know of another practical solution to this. Ideally, if zoo were legal, Zoo run shelters would solve this problem, re-homing stray and abused dogs to families and the ones that show possible zooey interest are re-homed with zoophiles. This would be animal ethics at its finest.

 

[ScreamingTrees]

Only lesson I have on suicide is that "this too will pass" is a pretty handy fucking lesson: Things ebb and flow, and shitty times happen, and then non-shitty times happen. I've seen some shit, but I always wonder if things will get better - so I keep hanging around. Also a coward, so that helps.

But it does sound like professional help is the best option here if you're not feeling like waiting life out.

 

[l3w5]

Finding the perfect dog is akin to winning the lottery. Luck is the ONLY factor at play here.

Not. Everything has a reason. Try to study more dogs, domestic dogs, this is essentially endless process. And much will begin to open to you. Do not give up any practical work with dogs.
I like the concept expressed by Aluzky. "Any dog that is a dog is a perfect dog, at least if you truly love dogs."(c)
It would be nice if one day it would become an axiom, and an approach and a specialist would be found for any dog.
Alas, this is idealism. We do not live in an ideal world. This does not mean that we should not strive for the ideal, but we live a reality.
Reality brings a not pleasant correction to this world. Many dogs, especially dogs with a difficult fate, do have problems acquired during the course of their life. These problems are often attributed by the breeder to his own account. In fact, the problem is a lack of experience. Not every specialist can get what he is looking for when working with dogs injured during the process of growing up.
Each case is individual. I am afraid to enter into polemics on the main issues of this topic, not for the reason that I have no arguments, but for the reason that my English sounds wild and ridiculous. Therefore, as I can, I try to state in short.
Try to study the dogs better, learn more, find the essence, observe and analyze. And much will be revealed to you.

 

[sososo]

It has taken me a very, long time to understand why I could accept a lack of sex in my life in exchange for love of any kind. But preferably mutual. I can't live without love, I can ignore the sex aspect of life, because I have a hand for the time when I need to get off.
I don't want kids with a human. I don't want to belong to a 3d vibration trap with a human. I don't want to be involved with the inability to be heard by selfish human women. I don't need the stigma to tell me I'm not good enough by professionals who think they know it all in addition to knowing what isn't right, but not telling you why, especially if you're caught unaware by it.
I'm a psychic in real life. I have a spiritual connection which majorly helps me detach from sex and the need to support an over populated planet with more life, unless I'm 100% committed to it. I don't need the 3d experience of fucking to satisfy me as much, because physically, I know what I am, want and need most of all. To be respected mutually on an equal level by any being. And to communicate this need in turn.
For a long time, I used to be fixated on the need to belong somewhere. I've always, felt like an alien in a world that is quite frankly, far from my own ideal place to live. And that's not because I was born prematurely with a disability for life. It's to do with the fact that I feel I have nothing to lose, when I'm certain of why where I'm going, the direction I'm taking and why I know I shouldn't worry about anything else while I'm manifesting the reality I can tolerate.
No, things don't always work out in the human world. I've sacrificed my sexual independence for a stable living situation many times, and that's not likely to change. I truly feel your pain, and as someone only attracted to animals, instead of beings from the astral, this is all you have to go on and it is driving you absolutely insane.
I need to address one point you've recently made, Sirius. Please, whatever you do, don't force an animal into sexual favors because you're lonely and need a cuddle fuck. Find one who wants you for all that you offer, and that will ramp up your pleasure 10fould. And be sure you live alone before you dedicate your life to a partner who is non human you are intimate with. Treat that situation like you are raising an extraterrestrial child at home, and can't let anyone else find out. That way when people see your dog, you can just protect him or her from any relative embarrassment an unannounced visit may cause.
This isn't a taboo lifestyle, it is a practical all in, or all out lifestyle. I've been attracted to wild things since the age of 7, wolves being my main attraction now at the age of 26. Not only is the wolf my spirit animal, but also my starseed origin hybrid reptilian as well. This may sound a bit out there to people in 3d reading this statement, but this is who I am. The closest physical link to my spirit form in astral, is the physical wolf. I have longed to be free of this prison planet for a number of years, beginning in 2010 where I felt like, there was no hope for me to even get out of the school system unscathed. I was right.
This world is not setup for anyone's future. If you were born in the 1970's or 1980's, you had a chance to have a good life. Even before then, those decades inparticular was considered the golden era of the 20th century because you had a lot to rely on as a financial safety net. Now however, what with people getting more greedy, mainly in terms of feeling they had more exclusive egocentric rights to control everything, it all comes down to what you have in terms of money. Not everyone has that safety net, and that is why if you need to get anywhere in 3d, be your own employer at any cost is the way to get rich.
Unfortunately, that means, until you make it, you have to be a city person unless you exclusively are an online seller of something. This also means that you have no time to dedicate yourself to a dog, unless you are an online seller and can schedule your life around work. I hate to say it, but family first is becoming a major past time as the bygone era of the 20th century long since ended with the birth of stricter living conditions as well as an overall increase in mass exposure to paranoia and fear. Our own community being a perfect example of what went wrong with the world hating us, instead of working with us since many politicians are ruthlessly uneducated turning to close minded religions to fall back on archaic human morals rather than living and let live principles of understanding. While this is useful for people who are more abusive, people also turn blind eyes to abuse when money is involved anyways, making the whole drama fest, rather meaningless in the end.
This has caused a huge boom for people who are spiritual or psychic, because the market is huge for people with messages loved ones try to send through mediums so others can find peace in their life. But ultimately, that passion has to be recognized by a conscious community for it to go somewhere. With animals, what you have, instead of recognition, is someone who will love you, but not be able to enhance what you have to provide on your own. Zoo couples in this instance, actually have the most ideal arrangement in such a way, because this need is largely either solved or greatly quelled by a pack of sorts, helping the entire mini home ecosystem of relationship interaction be helped along in this way.
I don't predict the world is going to get better, and that is because humans with money shut themselves off from observing others in a socialist setting. This psychopathic world tendency is on the rise, and one can honestly thank the drug industry among other violent video games and movies for the influence of mafia like control systems to this effect, increasing the military industrial complex. As paranoid nanny states goes though, this means that we have less, and are watched more by those who care only for what they are told to do, like robots. And honestly, this leads to problems with so much more than a human existence.
What this means for zoophiles who are unable to care for animals due to their living situation and or arrangements, is that loneliness is the number one cause of depression due to lack of access to the one thing providing you peace. It's not sex, it's being understood by another being who loves you if you are there for him or her in return regardless of race or species. This is nothing new. But what is, is the attitude that you express, that there's nothing we can do about it.
It really does sadden me to think that we are in an age where we have no control. I couldn't think of something to tell you that nothing could be further from the truth, apart from the fact that we as a community, must rely on each other to find peace now more so than ever. Mini communities of people with a desire to meet others of like mind, is going to revolutionize the way we will never be forgotten, or have to live with loneliness again. Gone are the days of solidarity, replaced by a need to stick together, in a different world we grew up in than what we see today.
My best advice to you, is put an ad up in the personals section of this site with your area to stay with someone and live together. That way, you can have a relationship with an animal that you want while you focus on a job perhaps even a local zoophile would be able to share in the profits with you on. Become the top of your field, a vet, a dog walker, a dog sitter, anything but take care to respect the limitations of each animal so that you have happy owners PayIng your way forward. This will ultimately give you enough funds to get a place that is going to set you free, and not have nosy neighbors spying on your activities. Try to move to a more liberal state if you are in the US, like California once you get started, taking your business with you. This way, you will not have so many purposeful uneducated people breathing down your neck, giving you the personal space you need to own and love an animal as your equal. Be it a dog, a horse or even your own farm. Services for others is how I was able to overcome the depression I was faced with immediately following my exit from the school system. I do not envy tomorrow's children, they will have it rougher than we do now. Guaranteed.

Another astral enthusiast

 

[sirius]

But with dogs, its much more complicated. I suppose you could "date" adult dogs, home them for a few months before serious attachment develops but not long enough that they don't trust you and see if shes interested, if not, you re-home her again to another loving family. A revolving door of dogs into your home, dating them, then re-homing them to another family until you find your loving partner.

I don't know of another practical solution to this. Ideally, if zoo were legal, Zoo run shelters would solve this problem, re-homing stray and abused dogs to families and the ones that show possible zooey interest are re-homed with zoophiles. This would be animal ethics at its finest.

But that's a little bit... messed up, in my opinion. If I ever need to re-home my dog, it would only be because my life situation changes drastically and makes it so that I am unable to take care of her or any dog for that matter. I couldn't just re-home her with the objective of getting another dog. She loves me and only me and I love her and only her. Abandoning her because of something as trivial as sex isn't right at all. But in this theoretical scenario, if I had known our sex life would have been non-existent before committing to the relationship, I might have never done it at all.

Of course, if zoo was legal or more accepted, it probably wouldn't be a problem. But that is not the reality we are living in.

 

[sososo]

But that's a little bit... messed up, in my opinion. If I ever need to re-home my dog, it would only be because my life situation changes drastically and makes it so that I am unable to take care of her or any dog for that matter. I couldn't just re-home her with the objective of getting another dog. She loves me and only me and I love her and only her. Abandoning her because of something as trivial as sex isn't right at all. But in this theoretical scenario, if I had known our sex life would have been non-existent before committing to the relationship, I might have never done it at all.

Of course, if zoo was legal or more accepted, it probably wouldn't be a problem. But that is not the reality we are living in.

Was she spayed? If so, check how she was spayed, even if she has heats sometimes the vets leave the eggs alone while spaying, so the dog still goes through heat cycles a little less but still somewhat regularly, but cannot have intercourse. You may wanna check for this. I mean, you could try getting another dog, However, before you jump to that, have you made sure that you are the leader of the household? The reason she might not want to participate is because of the instinct of wanting the best male, possibly. (just guesses)

Now dont get this mixed in with "Be mean and shitty that should work." No, being the alpha in the pack is far different from that. It is a dependable, trustworthy leader that shows devotion to the pack as well. There are plenty guides on youtube for things such as that because she may be a dog that just wants the alpha to do such things with her.

Now, if you have assessed that you indeed are the "leader" of the pack, then it might be that in her first heat she might have had something happen. At 6 months old, in her first heat, another dog may have been pushy or you may have made a mistake then.

After the first 1 to 2 heats, did you WAIT for the next heat in order to engage, or did you try to get it on before her heat.

Finally, if all these things on the list are done correctly, then I guess its just that she prefers either no intercourse at all, or just doesnt accept human partners. (But if shes spayed, then it should be obvious as to why she does not accept partners at all)

 

[sirius]

Was she spayed? If so, check how she was spayed, even if she has heats sometimes the vets leave the eggs alone while spaying, so the dog still goes through heat cycles a little less but still somewhat regularly, but cannot have intercourse. You may wanna check for this. I mean, you could try getting another dog, However, before you jump to that, have you made sure that you are the leader of the household? The reason she might not want to participate is because of the instinct of wanting the best male, possibly. (just guesses)

Now dont get this mixed in with "Be mean and shitty that should work." No, being the alpha in the pack is far different from that. It is a dependable, trustworthy leader that shows devotion to the pack as well. There are plenty guides on youtube for things such as that because she may be a dog that just wants the alpha to do such things with her.

Now, if you have assessed that you indeed are the "leader" of the pack, then it might be that in her first heat she might have had something happen. At 6 months old, in her first heat, another dog may have been pushy or you may have made a mistake then.

After the first 1 to 2 heats, did you WAIT for the next heat in order to engage, or did you try to get it on before her heat.

Finally, if all these things on the list are done correctly, then I guess its just that she prefers either no intercourse at all, or just doesnt accept human partners. (But if shes spayed, then it should be obvious as to why she does not accept partners at all)

You bring up some good points, but I think it's a combination of many things. She's not spayed, but the biggest problem is that she's simply just too small. She can't stand any penetration out of heat, which is something I intend to respect, but her heats don't give me a big enough window for me to work to relax her and get her comfortable with a bigger size and it doesn't help that she has an abnormally long cycle of anestrus. She's very jumpy, she rarely stays still (even in heat) which makes what is already complicated and delicate a lot more difficult.

I met her when she was already a few years old, so I doubt it has something to do with her first heats. She's very bossy with dogs, and touchy sex-wise when she's out of it, but she enjoys the contact in heat and she's a slut for any male dog (and me). She turns her rear end to me and clearly flags me. I may not be an expert, but I interpret that signal as her being interested. The issue is that when we actually get to it, for intercourse to happen, I would need to push her way beyond the limit she is comfortable with.

I don't have a lot experience with female dogs, sexually. And no good and experienced friend to guide me either. Maybe all of this is in my head and I could push her more and I could get her comfortable with it by being consistent about it, but it just doesn't feel right. I met a few bitches who were clearly comfortable with penetration, and with my dog it just doesn't feel like that. It feels like she doesn't enjoy it very much and that I could hurt her at any moment. Nothing turns me off more than thinking that whatever I'm doing might hurt the person I love and that whatever I'm doing is ultimately only done for my own gratification, so I gave up on the idea. I wish things were different.

 

[sososo]

You bring up some good points, but I think it's a combination of many things. She's not spayed, but the biggest problem is that she's simply just too small. She can't stand any penetration out of heat, which is something I intend to respect, but her heats don't give me a big enough window for me to work to relax her and get her comfortable with a bigger size and it doesn't help that she has an abnormally long cycle of an estrus. She's very jumpy, she rarely stays still (even in heat) which makes what is already complicated and delicate a lot more difficult.

I met her when she was already a few years old, so I doubt it has something to do with her first heats. She's very bossy with dogs, and touchy sex-wise when she's out of it, but she enjoys the contact in heat and she's a slut for any male dog (and me). She turns her rear end to me and clearly flags me. I may not be an expert, but I interpret that signal as her being interested. The issue is that when we actually get to it, for intercourse to happen, I would need to push her way beyond the limit she is comfortable with.

I don't have a lot experience with female dogs, sexually. And no good and experienced friend to guide me either. Maybe all of this is in my head and I could push her more and I could get her comfortable with it by being consistent about it, but it just doesn't feel right. I met a few bitches who were clearly comfortable with penetration, and with my dog it just doesn't feel like that. It feels like she doesn't enjoy it very much and that I could hurt her at any moment. Nothing turns me off more than thinking that whatever I'm doing might hurt the person I love and that whatever I'm doing is ultimately only done for my own gratification, so I gave up on the idea. I wish things were different.

Very noble and understandable end statement.

What breed is she of? Also, whats YOUR size as well? (You dont have to answer the second one, but definetly answer it to yourself and that may be why its not do-able if it is too big)

But yeah, if its not possible dont push her for obvious reasons, but licks are always an option! You could satisfy each other without penetration necessary so thats still an option

 

[sirius]

Very noble and understandable end statement.

What breed is she of? Also, whats YOUR size as well? (You dont have to answer the second one, but definetly answer it to yourself and that may be why its not do-able if it is too big)

But yeah, if its not possible dont push her for obvious reasons, but licks are always an option! You could satisfy each other without penetration necessary so thats still an option

She's a husky (and I'm not a very big guy ?)

 

[Maui69]

Hey Sirius, I had my share of the story too. I've actually attempted suicide when they took my girl from me. She was the only thing keeping me alive in this world. She was my first gf, my virginity-remover, my heart belonged to her

 

[sirius]

Hey Sirius, I had my share of the story too. I've actually attempted suicide when they took my girl from me. She was the only thing keeping me alive in this world. She was my first gf, my virginity-remover, my heart belonged to her

That is absolutely horrible...

 

[canecorso]

Reading up on Sirius' scenario was like a probe into my own head. I, too, have been stuck at a sexless, platonic point in the relationship with my dog for what feels like ages. And I am regretful of the way I've felt urged to interact with her at times because of that. No rape or anything of that degree, god forbid, but I was being fairly pushy with her at times, and it never once felt like something "in-character" of me to normally do, but rather as an act of desperation during a depressive period. While I love to snuggle with her, interact with her, give her company, that ultimate binding moment of us sealing our love together and giving me something to stand on within this world just wasn't arriving. There was a lot of negative outside strain to our relationship at first, her being an onlooker to a lot of interhuman powerplay going on, that might have left its ugly mark in it somehow and could be responsible for things not happening the way I'd have wished for them to happen.

 

[huskynose]

Depression can be treated. This is what worked for me: I stopped trying to fix myself with my own broken brain. After months of acute distress, I showed up at the emergency room and said, “I’m suicidal.” l made my depression into someone else’s problem, and the people that I handed the problem to were trained medical professionals. Because I was clinically depressed at the time, I had no hope of things actually getting better. Apparently I’m still capable of making reasonable decisions even without any hope, and I suspect that you are too.

I did most of the things that were suggested as part of treatment, even though everything sounded like bullshit and I was terrified and miserable. By the way, everything sounding like bullshit is a symptom of major depression. Maybe the therapy and medication and groups were all bullshit. Who knows? I did them anyway, because I had finally made my depression someone else’s responsibility. There was a line there, between good and bad advice, but I knew where it was, because we all know where this line is for ourselves, and we have the capacity to recognize when some specific treatment crosses that line from being potentially bullshit to being unacceptable.

Anyway, after a while of this, I wasn’t depressed anymore. All my problems were still there, and now I had new ones because of all the time that I’d spent in treatment. But my problems weren’t the end of the world anymore, because I wasn’t clinically depressed anymore. Even my deep, dark, sticky, toxic, inconvenient, fucked up, embarrassing, unnameable, sexual problems no longer seemed like life or death dealbreakers. The difference here, between depression and its absence, is profound, and yet fundamentally impossible to comprehend from the other side of the disease.

The bottom line is this: If you are thinking about suicide, you are depressed, and there are solutions that are literally impossible for you to conceive of because you are suffering from depression. There are people whose job is to treat your depression and some of them are competent. You are not the first zoophile they have encountered, and you will not be the last. You are not terminally unique, even though you have that secret fetish that no one else can possibly find out about, or because you have those weird or embarrassing or inappropriate or ridiculous thoughts that no one else could possibly understand. That feeling, of having an extra twist, a special weirdness, an embarrassing complication, or a profoundly unsolvable hopelessness, is precisely the thing that almost everyone with depression suffers from.

Give the fucked up system a shot. You can always kill yourself later.

 

[Llandefie]

*hugs*
I completely understand what you're going through. I've been just like this, trying to be with humans because it's "normal", getting obsessive and suicidal when starved of animal company, getting pissed off at the world and how it holds you back. It's fucking shit, everything.
I've sought out pet sitting and shelter work as a means of getting close to dogs and horses. I'd like to be more diverse and I'm more interested in horses than dogs, but you take what you can get. I've had a few exciting encounters, but nothing much, and that frustrates me. For the longest time I thought my sexuality wasn't real because I wasn't even near any horses when I first discovered it. I tried being in a relationship with someone online in an attempt to find some escape, but it didn't work. I don't have patience for humans. I don't find them attractive at all. But show me even just the face of a stallion and my heart fucking melts into molten slurry. I love hairy hooves, too. Something about them is just so adorable XD

Please, please don't hesitate to PM me if you need hugs and support. I've felt a lot of what you're feeling, and what little I've managed to do hasn't changed much. I fucking moved to the opposite side of the world and away from my parents just to rot in solitude in the vain hope that I'd find a way to be around horses more. I'm suicidal every other day, and while I haven't made any serious attempts or put myself in any real danger, gosh damn have I tried to tear my skin off more than a few times. I can't promise everything will be alright, but I can be there to cry about it with you

So i accepted it, and had a new dream. A dream of land with many different animals and zoo friends. A cottage on the prarie, and a life of peaceful simplicity. Since i dont have human intimate relationships, im now freed from that burden. I have more time to study and meditate on deeper things. I don't have to work as hard since its just myself and my animals.

Aaargh, Horse, that's my dream! Stop being such an ideal person to me XD