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Is beastiality still legal in Japan and few states of North America?

Pillar

Prized Citizen of ZV
Again your comprehensive skill is lacking...bestiality is illegal and it always has been regardless if the charge was animal cruelty or lewd and lascivious acts. It matters not what the charge is..get caught and you do the time. You are trying to portray this as some new attack...it isn't and you know it.
I think all of the open bestiality from decades past would argue against that. But hey, have it your way.
 

TeslaModel3

Zooville Settler
*sigh*

I've tried multiple times to put the information back up on the wikipedia page, but I keep getting into edit wars with people and mods reverting what I added. Meanwhile its the same exact data that was in another wikipedia article that was taken down :rolleyes:
 

Zen

Citizen of Zooville
*sigh*

I've tried multiple times to put the information back up on the wikipedia page, but I keep getting into edit wars with people and mods reverting what I added. Meanwhile its the same exact data that was in another wikipedia article that was taken down :rolleyes:
Why I flat out refuse to donate to them. They seem to describe anything besides "missionary with your eyes closed" as a paraphilia.
 

saddlebum66

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I think all of the open bestiality from decades past would argue against that. But hey, have it your way.
And youd be wrong. There were never ANY open beasties in decades past. There were one or two who claimed it, and went to jail for it. Reality check....The Crime may not have been explicitly Bestiality, but a "Crime against Nature" or "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge". or even
"Criminal Conversation". Courts in most places were reluctant to try cases of the sort, so many were resolved by plea bargains. Read some history.
I will add this: In those decades you speak of, Black men were sometimes lynched for being black. Homosexual men were jailed, often after being assaulted by someone who "didnt like fags". The Nazis killed people for being Jews....or gypsies....or poles...or russians....or queer...or bestialists. EXECUTED people for CONSENSUAL sexual crimes. When was this Golden Age? 10,000 bce?
 
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Said the person who sends pics of a mannequin when it comes to showing themselves.
I have no idea what the fuck you're even referring to, I think you have me confused with the wrong person unless you can provide a screen shot.. I barely post or comment so I don't know where you're coming off with that 😂
 

PonyLove

Citizen of Zooville
I wonder who was the first person to ever fuck an animal and when did it happen. Maybe some hieroglyphs will show?? I wonder what the circumstances were that planted that seed?
 

FloofyNewfie

The Floofy Moderator
Staff member
I have no idea what the fuck you're even referring to, I think you have me confused with the wrong person unless you can provide a screen shot.. I barely post or comment so I don't know where you're coming off with that 😂
He's referring to @allyfitz from some feud those two users got into awhile back. You know Allyfitz... the girl you stole your avatar from?
 

saddlebum66

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Please provide a proof.
The Pink Triangle badge in Concentration Camps indicated Homosexuals OR other sex offenders. You can google the Chart with the badges and what each color indicated. I dont think the chart has a place here.
 
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Ruben

Citizen of Zooville
The Pink Triangle badge in Concentration Camps indicated Homosexuals OR other sex offenders. You can google the Chart with the badges and what each color indicated. I dont think the chart has a place here.
I googled the chart and it says "homosexual". It has a place here for fact checking purposes. A marker for other sexual "deviations" would not have proved that people were killed for bestiality by the way.
 

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saddlebum66

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I deliberately did not post that here, but since you saw fit to do so, the chart also says, next to homosexuals " and other sex offenders". Look up the history of "sexual deviation" in Weimar Germany, the place that Nazi Germany was reacting AGAINST, and it isnt hard to make the connection. If youre going to defend the Nazi Regime's "liberal sexual views" you're not likely to sell it here. Fighting the "Decadence" was a big part of the NSDAP platform. The Chart is what it is. I have known survivors of those camps, and some of the liberators as well. The Nazis kept very good records until they knew those records would get them hanged, then they started destroying evidence.
It isnt absolute proof, no. It IS, though, a good indication that people were killed for sexual deviance. How selective do you think those people were?
BTW, that isnt the chart I saw.
 
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Ruben

Citizen of Zooville
It's a simple question about facts: Did Nazis kill people for bestiality?

A foray into sexual morals of the Weimar Republic doesn't help answering it and, with all due respect, neither does your personal acquaintance with survivors and liberators of concentration camps. The chart I found and posted does not say "and other sex offenders", but even if it did, it wouldn't answer the question.
 

Zen

Citizen of Zooville
....the chart also says, next to homosexuals " and other sex offenders".
I can confirm this. I saw the documentation when I took training to be a Christian Minister in another life wayyyy long ago. Yes, it did include all forms of sexual deviancy against the natural order (anything not PIV (penis in vagina) heterosexual).
 

Mike The Dog

ZooVille Philanthropist
*sigh*

I've tried multiple times to put the information back up on the wikipedia page, but I keep getting into edit wars with people and mods reverting what I added. Meanwhile its the same exact data that was in another wikipedia article that was taken down :rolleyes:
Could you message me the wikicode? I can post it to zoophilia.wiki. We scraped a lot of Wikipedia, but funny enough we missed the one page where it mattered.
 

allyfitz

Zooville Settler
This is exactly why I fucking hate this God damn website because of people like you.
Here's an idea... dont steal someone else avatar on this site! I made that avatar from the PuppyLinux Logo years and years ago when I first signed up to AoZ. I've used it at AoZ, Zoosbook, bestialitylovers, BAF, and here. Please stop using it, because people think you're comments are mine.
 

Zen

Citizen of Zooville
Here's an idea... dont steal someone else avatar on this site! I made that avatar from the PuppyLinux Logo years and years ago when I first signed up to AoZ. I've used it at AoZ, Zoosbook, bestialitylovers, BAF, and here. Please stop using it, because people think you're comments are mine.
@ZTHorse @FloofyNewfie Now that @allyfitz has formally requested the thief to stop using her content she created under Fair Use, I believe you can intervene under the rules and force the removal of @rainfallheavens avatar.
 
@ZTHorse @FloofyNewfie Now that @allyfitz has formally requested the thief to stop using her content she created under Fair Use, I believe you can intervene under the rules and force the removal of @rainfallheavens avatar.
This shit is getting out of control. First of all, it's an avatar it's the Internet. Everybody can do what they want. I'm actually into photography and under the fair use agreement, as long as it's copyrighted, then she has an obligation to take further action, but in no way is this avatar or this picture copyrighted, furthermore, I don't see the big deal anyway, it's not like I even post, often it's not like I'm pretending to be the other person you can look at all of my activity and see, but I've done nothing wrong. It's literally just an avatar.. There's been many times when people have stolen my avatars over the years, and the fact that you're getting bent out of shape and posting on my wall and trying to harass me because of a avatar is absolutely ridiculous..

I have realized that no matter what you say, no matter who you are, no matter what you do on this website, you're gonna get punished, you're gonna get backlash, and you're gonna get some kind of drama, and I advise you to knock it off, grow up and leave it alone.. Should I remind you it's just an avatar I've done absolutely nothing wrong..

I don't know the other person, I don't care to know the other person, but I do know that I joined this website first way back in 2019, when they joined in 2020, whether that matters or not, I was here, first, and I don't know if or when they joined other websites, but I'm on here not anywhere else

I am so tired of the toxic people here, and I'm not gonna leave because there's nothing that I did wrong, I'm tired of commenting and getting my ass jumped in a dog pile because everybody is depressed because they can't suck dog dick because they can't find a partner, or because they can't enjoy this lifestyle without some kind of law enforcement getting in the way, that's not my problem, I'm here to enjoy this life style like the rest of you, and it feels like I'm very unwelcomed, no matter what I do because everybody has to jump each other's ass and basically complain until they get their way and it's stupid grow up people

And to prove my point further more, I will not be commenting any further, I won 100 percent guarantee, one of you is gonna be quoting my post and still riding my ass and telling me to fuck off, but I need to go die, or that I need to be kicked off this website, and if one of you do that, that just proves exactly what I'm saying that it is toxic and you guys need to grow up

Remember, all of this is starting because I used an avatar from somebody else.. In my opinion, none of this is worth it. You're reading this whole entire comment because of an avatar..

You guys do what you gotta do, but I'm not leaving this website, and I'm not gonna change my avatar because somebody wants to claim responsibility. It's not even copyrighted do your research.. And I'm not even pretending to be that other person, I'm not causing harm to anybody, and I really advise you to go look at my activity, because I am innocent

Stop being immature stopped causing drama, stop with the dog pile stop with the bullshit, any other comments will be ignored, and you're not gonna hear anything else from me, and if you choose to cause more problems, then I will do exactly what you did and get the admin involved because you're the one who's harassing me, not the other way around so knock it off
 

allyfitz

Zooville Settler
I don't know the other person, I don't care to know the other person, but I do know that I joined this website first way back in 2019, when they joined in 2020, whether that matters or not, I was here, first, and I don't know if or when they joined other websites, but I'm on here not anywhere else
Yea you were a member at this site before me... that's true... but that's not the point. There's comments in your profile from you in March of this year where you're talking to someone else about your profile picture being a black and white photo. So if you wanna play the "who was first game"... fine... I was using this avatar first on this site before you were.

In my opinion, none of this is worth it.
Then change your avatar to something else. Dont want the drama that comes from using someone elses avatar... there's a really easy solution ya know... use something different.

Stop being immature stopped causing drama
The drama your bitching about is 100% of your own making.

then I will do exactly what you did and get the admin involved because you're the one who's harassing me
I have not made a single request to admin about this. I only found out because other people have tagged me multiple times about you using my avatar. I sent you a PM asking you politely asking you to change it on April 17th, which you have completely ignored. That and replying to a comment on your profile that someone tagged me with is all I've done about the issue before my single prior post in this forum.

The reason I care is because I'm an zoo 3d artist and people recognize me from what I've posted here and other places because of my avatar. You say you're a photographer. Would you care if someone started a business with your same name and logo in your town... i'm pretty sure you would.
 

FloofyNewfie

The Floofy Moderator
Staff member
I have not made a single request to admin about this. I only found out because other people have tagged me multiple times about you using my avatar. I sent you a PM asking you politely asking you to change it on April 17th, which you have completely ignored.
I've gone ahead and took the liberty of removing his... I mean... your avatar off of his account, since he doesn't have your permission to use it.
 

saddlebum66

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
It's a simple question about facts: Did Nazis kill people for bestiality?

A foray into sexual morals of the Weimar Republic doesn't help answering it and, with all due respect, neither does your personal acquaintance with survivors and liberators of concentration camps. The chart I found and posted does not say "and other sex offenders", but even if it did, it wouldn't answer the question.
The question is moot. Would a bestialist have been put in a camp as a sex offender? I dont think theres much doubt. Would that person have been killed for it? Death in those camps came in many ways, chum. Being gassed or shot is not different than being arbeited to death. I probably cannot prove my statement to anyone. I think you cannot prove me wrong, and you've already twisted a fact. How many wiki look ups did it take to find the one that DOESN'T say "and other sex offenders"? Truth is truth.
 

saddlebum66

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
This shit is getting out of control. First of all, it's an avatar it's the Internet. Everybody can do what they want. I'm actually into photography and under the fair use agreement, as long as it's copyrighted, then she has an obligation to take further action, but in no way is this avatar or this picture copyrighted, furthermore, I don't see the big deal anyway, it's not like I even post, often it's not like I'm pretending to be the other person you can look at all of my activity and see, but I've done nothing wrong. It's literally just an avatar.. There's been many times when people have stolen my avatars over the years, and the fact that you're getting bent out of shape and posting on my wall and trying to harass me because of a avatar is absolutely ridiculous..

I have realized that no matter what you say, no matter who you are, no matter what you do on this website, you're gonna get punished, you're gonna get backlash, and you're gonna get some kind of drama, and I advise you to knock it off, grow up and leave it alone.. Should I remind you it's just an avatar I've done absolutely nothing wrong..

I don't know the other person, I don't care to know the other person, but I do know that I joined this website first way back in 2019, when they joined in 2020, whether that matters or not, I was here, first, and I don't know if or when they joined other websites, but I'm on here not anywhere else

I am so tired of the toxic people here, and I'm not gonna leave because there's nothing that I did wrong, I'm tired of commenting and getting my ass jumped in a dog pile because everybody is depressed because they can't suck dog dick because they can't find a partner, or because they can't enjoy this lifestyle without some kind of law enforcement getting in the way, that's not my problem, I'm here to enjoy this life style like the rest of you, and it feels like I'm very unwelcomed, no matter what I do because everybody has to jump each other's ass and basically complain until they get their way and it's stupid grow up people

And to prove my point further more, I will not be commenting any further, I won 100 percent guarantee, one of you is gonna be quoting my post and still riding my ass and telling me to fuck off, but I need to go die, or that I need to be kicked off this website, and if one of you do that, that just proves exactly what I'm saying that it is toxic and you guys need to grow up

Remember, all of this is starting because I used an avatar from somebody else.. In my opinion, none of this is worth it. You're reading this whole entire comment because of an avatar..

You guys do what you gotta do, but I'm not leaving this website, and I'm not gonna change my avatar because somebody wants to claim responsibility. It's not even copyrighted do your research.. And I'm not even pretending to be that other person, I'm not causing harm to anybody, and I really advise you to go look at my activity, because I am innocent

Stop being immature stopped causing drama, stop with the dog pile stop with the bullshit, any other comments will be ignored, and you're not gonna hear anything else from me, and if you choose to cause more problems, then I will do exactly what you did and get the admin involved because you're the one who's harassing me, not the other way around so knock it off
Poor baby....Got news for you chummy....all one need do to own a " copyright" is to create it....Intellectual property law is pretty plain. Even if you intend to publish, no further action is required. Registering a property as Copyright accrues certain further rights. Some are accruals, some deal with reversion of rights to a creator after a certain period...as when a work is sold for use in a periodical. But since Allyfitz was using the avatar on another site well over a year ago...you lose. You remind me of a fella from Beast Forum some years back...same cheesy whine. He called himself "wheels"...and felt entitled to have animal sex delivered. He lost too.
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Ruben

Citizen of Zooville
The question is moot.
No, it is not for at least two reasons:
  1. The Nazis literally murdered millions of people because of their of political convictions, because of their beliefs, because of their ancestry, because of some illness, because of their homosexuality, because they were in the way on the rise to power, because they lived on land that Nazis desired ... because of dozens of reasons that are well documented. Tens of millions of people have lost relatives and suffered loads of pain. This makes this a sensitive topic and I assure you that a lot of people who belong to the groups that were targeted would be very irritated by a minority such as zoophiles playing the Nazi victim card for whatever reason if, in fact, they have not been targeted.
  2. You were lecturing Pillar about historical correctness. This makes historical correctness kinda important.
Would a bestialist have been put in a camp as a sex offender? I dont think theres much doubt. Would that person have been killed for it? Death in those camps came in many ways, chum. Being gassed or shot is not different than being arbeited to death.
How about you stop repeating claims that you can't prove?

I think you cannot prove me wrong, and you've already twisted a fact. How many wiki look ups did it take to find the one that DOESN'T say "and other sex offenders"? Truth is truth.
The picture I posted is literally the first search engine hit I got. I also bothered to make a second look up which turned up a different edition of the same chart which also said homosexuals and nothing else. I also checked that both are from reliable sources and that reposting it here does not violate any law. Your allegation that I would have twisted anything here is disgusting when in fact I have followed your orders ("You can google the Chart with the badges and what each color indicated") while you were too lazy to support even this claim.
 

saddlebum66

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
No, it is not for at least two reasons:
  1. The Nazis literally murdered millions of people because of their of political convictions, because of their beliefs, because of their ancestry, because of some illness, because of their homosexuality, because they were in the way on the rise to power, because they lived on land that Nazis desired ... because of dozens of reasons that are well documented. Tens of millions of people have lost relatives and suffered loads of pain. This makes this a sensitive topic and I assure you that a lot of people who belong to the groups that were targeted would be very irritated by a minority such as zoophiles playing the Nazi victim card for whatever reason if, in fact, they have not been targeted.
  2. You were lecturing Pillar about historical correctness. This makes historical correctness kinda important.

How about you stop repeating claims that you can't prove?


The picture I posted is literally the first search engine hit I got. I also bothered to make a second look up which turned up a different edition of the same chart which also said homosexuals and nothing else. I also checked that both are from reliable sources and that reposting it here does not violate any law. Your allegation that I would have twisted anything here is disgusting when in fact I have followed your orders ("You can google the Chart with the badges and what each color indicated") while you were too lazy to support even this claim.
I forget sometimes, I'm dealing with the "Pics or it didnt happen " generation. Same clowns who insisted that a forty foot diameter tree stump had to be a fake because " No one ever made a saw blade that big".
We know the nazis camped sex offenders....whether YOU found the chart or not. Funny...it was the first one that came up when I googled it. We know that bestiality was an illegal sex offense under the law both before and during the Nazi regime. So you're telling me that NO bestial offenders were ever sent to Concentration camps? That if any were they survived? Okay....I THINK its a safe bet that you're flat wrong. Just remember to duck if the Nazis make it back into govt anywhere....they'll be coming for you. I didnt put the chart up because it really has no place in this forum. You want to call that lazy? Have a ball.
 

Ruben

Citizen of Zooville
So you're telling me that ...
No, I asked you politely to prove your claim. You've written a lot of words since then and went ad hominem, but have not offered a single evidence. Thanks for defining the standard of credibility for your posts though, I guess. :(
 

saddlebum66

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
No, I asked you politely to prove your claim. You've written a lot of words since then and went ad hominem, but have not offered a single evidence. Thanks for defining the standard of credibility for your posts though, I guess. :(
And So here we are....you cant accept the obvious....I never said I was claiming or wished to claim victimhood for Zoos. As for ad hominem, if that shoe fits...wear it. I use Duck Duck Go as a search engine, and I suppose that could be why. But the first and second charts I saw were duplicates, and the "and other sex offenders" was plainly at the top of both of them. I see many discussions here that appear predicated on black and white views of the World. Thats quite nice, if thats the only vision you have. But the World is nuances and shades of grey between the extremes. Youre denying acts that were unacceptible by any civilized standard. A short extrapolation is all it takes to conclude that any sex offenders who were taken up for Deviant activity and placed in those camps, that DIED there, died for their deviance. The German propensity for record-keeping would likely prove the point.
I say this IS a moot question because you took one line from a larger post and turned it into an ad hominem yourself. I can't say I have a lot of faith in your statement that you did not twist a fact to suit your agument.

You cannot prove me wrong, because truth is truth. The Nazis killed people for many reasons, including whim. But one reason was reaction to what they saw as the decadence that led to their defeat in the First War. Weimar Germany was precisely what they saw as a source of that decadence. Deviance was rampant, if you bother to read accounts of the period, however you wish to define deviance. The Nazis did not, though, need an excuse to do what they did; they believed they were unassaillably right, and acted accordingly when they took power.
I could likely prove I'm correct IF I wanted to wade through the records...I'd only have to find one instance to support what I said to Pillar. Im not interested in doing that kind of research to prove this. If you feel I'm wrong, thats on you. Defending people that both my parents and many relatives went to war to stop isn't to my taste in any case.

I WASN'T claiming victimhood for zoos. In fact my intention was to AVOID being victimized further by the mundane world. The discussion WAS about Legality, before you hijacked the conversation. This activity has NEVER been explicitly legal in the modern world...and it WAS implicitly illegal in most places and most times, even when there was no written law forbidding it.
Of course, " implicit" and " explicit" are more of those nuances between Black and white....Can't prove them, perhaps....but can you ignore them?

Youre entitled to think as you wish. Whether my posts have value to you isnt my 🙁 problem.
 
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Ruben

Citizen of Zooville
I have never, ever defended Nazis. I just care about the truth. And truth is sometimes a black and white question. Were Americans on the moon? It's either yes or no, there is no "kind of" and "when you think about it" and bla bla bla ... did Nazis kill people for bestiality or didn't they? Either they did or they didn't.

I picked out this bit of your claims concerning zoos because it would be new to me and because it should actually be easy to prove, unlike your claim that bestiality would have never been legal anywhere, for which I don't even have a faint idea how you could possibly prove this, if it were true, which it is not.

It appears that you are a story teller, and that's fine. It's just something to take into account when reading your posts. Truth isn't your focus.

And as for the bigger picture … you are wrong. Bestiality has been legal and is still legal today in certain parts of the world. It has been made legal as explicitly as possible in West Germany in 1969, when the previous prohibition against it was explicitly removed from the penal code by a law. It has been made legal in East Germany before that, but I can't say that happened equally explicitly. East Germany introduced a completely new penal code that didn't include a prohibition of bestiality anymore and you might make up a story about how they simply forgot. Not so in West Germany.
 

Austral

Zooville Settler
I too would like to move to a better place. Japan and Russia and some south america n countries seem to be best countries. While within the US, the states with the most recent legislation may be the most lenient as I'm sure there's still a shift in culture.
Would you consider it a "better place" just of that?

I live in a shitty country where zoo is still legal (but of course strongly frown upon), and I want to move to a more developed one to have a better life, but in those is where zoo laws are the worst (like Australia, NZ, Canada, UK, Ireland, etc). So it's a big dilemma, and more about weighting pros and cons.
 
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