Gun Ownership - NO politics, just "Do you or do you not own a firearm"
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A store won't work because of the 4473. Maybe a state with no registration requirements.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
As can be seen from reading the report, the lowers in question *WERE NOT 80% LOWERS*. An 80% lower MUST, to qualify as such, be incomplete, and require a specific amount of further milling work. The legal definition of "how incomplete", and what milling work is needed to qualify as "80%", and therefore still "just a block of metal" includes requiring the FCG (Fire Control Group) pocket (where the trigger, safety/selector switch, disconnector, hammer, and associated springs and pins live) to be a *TOTALLY SOLID UNMARKED BLOCK*. Note the "unmarked" - even having guide lines scribed onto that otherwise solid block changes it from a block of metal that absolutely nobody gives half a dead shit about into "Legally, that's a gun - end of discussion. Now come along, we have a nice federal prison cell where you're going to be living for the next few years."
The seized items *WERE NOT* 80% lowers. They were COMPLETED - not just marked, but *FULLY COMPLETED* - polymer lowers, lacking only an FCG kit, buffer tube, pistol-grip, and an upper to be fully operational firearms, which, under every legal standard applicable then or now, *ARE GUNS*, even if they have no other parts attached to them. In and of themselves, completed AR-15 lower receivers, even if they've never so much as been within a five mile radius of a barrel, buffer tube, trigger group, or a single round of live ammunition, never mind been built into ready-to-fire weapons, *ARE GUNS* in the eyes of the law.
Guns not produced by an individual "homebrewing" them *MUST* be serial-numbered. Guns produced by an individual "home brewer" that are produced with the intent that they will be offered for sale *MUST* have a serial number, and the person making them *MUST* have a federal license to make them. This is long-established case law that, if I had the time and inclination to bother, I could bury you, your relatives, and your entire house in citations from cases that have been decided exactly that way. I'll leave that for you to do however, since you're the one who has the doubts.
Ares Armor was running with the (TOTALLY WRONG) assumption that since they were made of plastic, rather than metal, they were somehow exempt from the serial numbering and federal manufacturing license requirement. Wrong. And wrong. And wrong. And SO FUCKING WRONG IT'S RIDICULOUS! Ares Armor was *WAY THE FUCK* out on a legal limb, and they (quite rightly) had it cut out from under them. Polymer lowers are legally no different than aluminum lowers. Ares Armor had 6000 of them on hand. Forget even TRYING to claim that they were "homebrew builders" - there is no other explanation or reason for having so many on hand than that they intended to sell them. Which means they require a federal manufacturing license, and each and every one produced MUST have a unique serial number molded, burned, etched, or otherwise permanently marked on them. The people who bought those receivers own illegal weapons - They bought non-serialized guns, from an illegal manufacturing operation. Even I, a solid 2A backer, wouldn't be able to find a way to let them off if I was on the jury that heard the case, much as I'd like to. They (both the buyers, and Ares Armor) broke the law in more ways than even I can look away from.
The seized items *WERE NOT* 80% lowers. They were COMPLETED - not just marked, but *FULLY COMPLETED* - polymer lowers, lacking only an FCG kit, buffer tube, pistol-grip, and an upper to be fully operational firearms, which, under every legal standard applicable then or now, *ARE GUNS*, even if they have no other parts attached to them. In and of themselves, completed AR-15 lower receivers, even if they've never so much as been within a five mile radius of a barrel, buffer tube, trigger group, or a single round of live ammunition, never mind been built into ready-to-fire weapons, *ARE GUNS* in the eyes of the law.
Guns not produced by an individual "homebrewing" them *MUST* be serial-numbered. Guns produced by an individual "home brewer" that are produced with the intent that they will be offered for sale *MUST* have a serial number, and the person making them *MUST* have a federal license to make them. This is long-established case law that, if I had the time and inclination to bother, I could bury you, your relatives, and your entire house in citations from cases that have been decided exactly that way. I'll leave that for you to do however, since you're the one who has the doubts.
Ares Armor was running with the (TOTALLY WRONG) assumption that since they were made of plastic, rather than metal, they were somehow exempt from the serial numbering and federal manufacturing license requirement. Wrong. And wrong. And wrong. And SO FUCKING WRONG IT'S RIDICULOUS! Ares Armor was *WAY THE FUCK* out on a legal limb, and they (quite rightly) had it cut out from under them. Polymer lowers are legally no different than aluminum lowers. Ares Armor had 6000 of them on hand. Forget even TRYING to claim that they were "homebrew builders" - there is no other explanation or reason for having so many on hand than that they intended to sell them. Which means they require a federal manufacturing license, and each and every one produced MUST have a unique serial number molded, burned, etched, or otherwise permanently marked on them. The people who bought those receivers own illegal weapons - They bought non-serialized guns, from an illegal manufacturing operation. Even I, a solid 2A backer, wouldn't be able to find a way to let them off if I was on the jury that heard the case, much as I'd like to. They (both the buyers, and Ares Armor) broke the law in more ways than even I can look away from.
The thing is there was no precedent before this. There was even an ATF guide made about this thing, I think they made it after the raid. It wasn't even because the lowers were plastic - it was because of the color-coded guidance of the "receiver".
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
With a *PROPER* 80% lower, THERE IS NO 4473. It's a chunk of metal. Nothing more, nothing less. A "cash-and-carry" item. Hell, there isn't even a legal requirement for an ID check, let alone a 4473. You take home a totally anonymous block of metal. YOU do some milling work on it, add some other bits and pieces, and presto! You now own an AR-15 rifle with no serial number, no registration, no nothing. End of story.
However, if you try to take it to someone else to do the milling, that someone else MUST have the federal firearms manufacturing license, and he/she/they MUST permanently apply a serial number on it, and before they can legally hand it back to you, they MUST do a form 4473 and jump through all the hoops that you'd have to jump through to buy a ready-to-shoot AR-15 at the gun store.
I remember they also raised building parties for that
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Dude, the precedents go back to AT LEAST 1968. Ares Armor tried to claim they were selling 80% lowers. In reality, they were selling what is today called a "stripped lower" - a fully completed lower that needs only a parts kit to turn into a functional firearm - No milling, just drop in a lower parts kit and you're good to go. Even without the parts kit, that completed receiver is, according to law with enough precedents behind it to choke a horse, a GUN. There's no discussion possible on that point. Any gun made for sale requires a permanently affixed serial number. There's no discussion possible on that point. Anybody who makes a gun for sale must have a federal firearms manufacturing license. THAT point can't be discussed, either. That's the way it is.
Ares fucked up. Ares TRIED to claim they weren't selling guns, but "gun parts". If they'd been selling true 80% lowers, they'd be in the right. They weren't - They were selling *COMPLETED* lowers, which, in the eyes of the law *ARE GUNS*. As such, they MUST be serially-numbered, and the outfit making them MUST be able to display a federal firearms manufacturing license on demand. Ares couldn't and didn't. Ares got busted for breaking several firearms laws. Ares got righteously busted. Their customers, who bought illegal weapons, are right to be feeling nervous - By doing so, they committed felonies.
Do I agree with these facts? Perhaps not. But that doesn't change the reality that they ARE facts.
80% isnt a firearm. no 4473. it's a useless chunk of metal until you completely machine it out.
under federal law a completed lower doesnt even need a s/n unless you plan to transfer it.
i have a pile of 80%'s bought with cash.
80%'s are actually quite useful as I can take them places and use them with uppers to demonstrate stuff in places where firearms are prohibited. they are not firearms.
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UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
I went looking for another one similar to that I saw ages ago, but couldn't find it.
Short form: what looked like about a 16 year old kid dressed mid-to-late 80s NYC "Hip-hop" style walks up to a table and starts by pulling an AR not much different than that guy's out of his pants, proceeds to drop 6-8 mags on the table with the rifle, goes on to drag what looked like a short-barreled 870 or clone out, complete with a dozen rounds, then continues, pulling out two 1911s, at least 3 glocks that I can recall, some others I've forgotten, and finally, to put the cherry on the top, out of his hat came a "mouse gun" - looked like it was probably a .22 derringer like the old Rohm I used to have years ago. Made my face go
, lemme tell ya!
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
For anybody not happy with their ammo-on-hand numbers and having trouble finding anybody with anything for sale, suggest you hit outdoorlimited.com and browse around.
Placed an order with them this morning for a case (5K rounds) of Aguila 38 grain copper-plated hollowpoint .22LR, and a case (1K rounds) of Hornady Frontier XM193 5.56 - both intended to feed my new rifle. (I've got a CMMG .22LR conversion bolt coming for it, expected to arrive on Monday) Got away with "only" a $750 ding on the bank account, including taxes and shipping. Not bad, considering the only other place I've found that had ANYTHING AT ALL available wanted almost a grand (BEFORE taxes and shipping) for a case of .223, and $389 for 1000 rounds of .22LR! (Hint: cheaperthandirt *AIN'T*! Gouging bunch of assholes... They nearly tripled their pricing when the Covid panic-buying started - The case of Wolf .223 that they were offering for $279 jumped to $635 literally overnight, and has been creeping streadily higher almost daily since - last time they were showing it in stock, they wanted $985.79 - for Wolf steel-case, berdan primed .223)
The outdoor limited website has all the usual "OMG! Covid! We're buried! Orders probably won't ship for at least 2-3 days if not longer, but we're working on it as best we can, we promise!" type warnings that every online ammo dealer and his dog is showing lately. My thought went "Well, better later than not at all like everybody else" and hit the "make it happen" button. This is the first place I've found online since the panic-buying started that wasn't showing out of stock for everything but exotic and/or absolutely ridiculously overpriced ammo.
Placed the order at about 8 local time this morning, then went out to start the day. Just came in and found an email timestamped 12:31 with a subject line saying that my order status had been changed. First thought before even clicking to open it was "Wonder which one they ran out of and how long it'll be before I see it or my money back in the account?" Click to open it up, wade through the boilerplate, and find "Your order status has been changed to SHIPPED - thanks for your business, here's your tracking number, estimated delivery date, 05/22/2020" (Had to go UPS Ground - can't air-freight ammo without WAY more headache than it's worth unless you're talking about doing it in pallet-load quantities)
Checked the UPS Tracking site, and sure enough, the tracking number is live, and shows the package picked up and in transit from High Point NC, which is, surprise, surprise, exactly where they have their physical store/warehouse.
2-3 days, if not longer, eh? I guess I can live with days that go that fast
Placed an order with them this morning for a case (5K rounds) of Aguila 38 grain copper-plated hollowpoint .22LR, and a case (1K rounds) of Hornady Frontier XM193 5.56 - both intended to feed my new rifle. (I've got a CMMG .22LR conversion bolt coming for it, expected to arrive on Monday) Got away with "only" a $750 ding on the bank account, including taxes and shipping. Not bad, considering the only other place I've found that had ANYTHING AT ALL available wanted almost a grand (BEFORE taxes and shipping) for a case of .223, and $389 for 1000 rounds of .22LR! (Hint: cheaperthandirt *AIN'T*! Gouging bunch of assholes... They nearly tripled their pricing when the Covid panic-buying started - The case of Wolf .223 that they were offering for $279 jumped to $635 literally overnight, and has been creeping streadily higher almost daily since - last time they were showing it in stock, they wanted $985.79 - for Wolf steel-case, berdan primed .223)
The outdoor limited website has all the usual "OMG! Covid! We're buried! Orders probably won't ship for at least 2-3 days if not longer, but we're working on it as best we can, we promise!" type warnings that every online ammo dealer and his dog is showing lately. My thought went "Well, better later than not at all like everybody else" and hit the "make it happen" button. This is the first place I've found online since the panic-buying started that wasn't showing out of stock for everything but exotic and/or absolutely ridiculously overpriced ammo.
Placed the order at about 8 local time this morning, then went out to start the day. Just came in and found an email timestamped 12:31 with a subject line saying that my order status had been changed. First thought before even clicking to open it was "Wonder which one they ran out of and how long it'll be before I see it or my money back in the account?" Click to open it up, wade through the boilerplate, and find "Your order status has been changed to SHIPPED - thanks for your business, here's your tracking number, estimated delivery date, 05/22/2020" (Had to go UPS Ground - can't air-freight ammo without WAY more headache than it's worth unless you're talking about doing it in pallet-load quantities)
Checked the UPS Tracking site, and sure enough, the tracking number is live, and shows the package picked up and in transit from High Point NC, which is, surprise, surprise, exactly where they have their physical store/warehouse.
2-3 days, if not longer, eh? I guess I can live with days that go that fast
$1,000 for a case of Wolf .223? The world really has gone mad - that ammo shouldn't cost more than a quarter per round!For anybody not happy with their ammo-on-hand numbers and having trouble finding anybody with anything for sale, suggest you hit outdoorlimited.com and browse around.
Placed an order with them this morning for a case (5K rounds) of Aguila 38 grain copper-plated hollowpoint .22LR, and a case (1K rounds) of Hornady Frontier XM193 5.56 - both intended to feed my new rifle. (I've got a CMMG .22LR conversion bolt coming for it, expected to arrive on Monday) Got away with "only" a $750 ding on the bank account, including taxes and shipping. Not bad, considering the only other place I've found that had ANYTHING AT ALL available wanted almost a grand (BEFORE taxes and shipping) for a case of .223, and $389 for 1000 rounds of .22LR! (Hint: cheaperthandirt *AIN'T*! Gouging bunch of assholes... They nearly tripled their pricing when the Covid panic-buying started - The case of Wolf .223 that they were offering for $279 jumped to $635 literally overnight, and has been creeping streadily higher almost daily since - last time they were showing it in stock, they wanted $985.79 - for Wolf steel-case, berdan primed .223)
The outdoor limited website has all the usual "OMG! Covid! We're buried! Orders probably won't ship for at least 2-3 days if not longer, but we're working on it as best we can, we promise!" type warnings that every online ammo dealer and his dog is showing lately. My thought went "Well, better later than not at all like everybody else" and hit the "make it happen" button. This is the first place I've found online since the panic-buying started that wasn't showing out of stock for everything but exotic and/or absolutely ridiculously overpriced ammo.
Placed the order at about 8 local time this morning, then went out to start the day. Just came in and found an email timestamped 12:31 with a subject line saying that my order status had been changed. First thought before even clicking to open it was "Wonder which one they ran out of and how long it'll be before I see it or my money back in the account?" Click to open it up, wade through the boilerplate, and find "Your order status has been changed to SHIPPED - thanks for your business, here's your tracking number, estimated delivery date, 05/22/2020" (Had to go UPS Ground - can't air-freight ammo without WAY more headache than it's worth unless you're talking about doing it in pallet-load quantities)
Checked the UPS Tracking site, and sure enough, the tracking number is live, and shows the package picked up and in transit from High Point NC, which is, surprise, surprise, exactly where they have their physical store/warehouse.
2-3 days, if not longer, eh? I guess I can live with days that go that fast
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Before the covid SHTF, cheaperthandirt.com was offering 1000 round cases of steel/berdan Wolf .223 55 grain FMJ for 279 and change - a tiny bit high since I was seeing everybody else offering the same case of ammo for 249-269, give or take some change - but not completely outrageous. I looked at their prices (and others) the day I went to pick up my rifle - on Friday the 20th. By Saturday night, they'd jumped it to $635, and were out of stock on practically everything else that wasn't some sort of "super-duper magical bullets made out of compressed unicorn farts to guarantee you'll win every competition you enter" grade stuff that nobody (outside of the competition shooters it's intended to rip off) in their right mind wants anyway. I was damned happy I stumbled across that last case of PPU .223 and got out the door with it for under $450 at the shop when I picked up the gun, lemme tell ya! And even happier when I started seeing all the online folks either completely out of stock, or boosting prices on even junk ammo into the 70-80 cents a round range - before any taxes and shipping. Last weekend, CtD was wanting $985.79 for that same case of Wolf that they'd been selling for $279 last month, and claimed to have "17 ready to ship" Haven't looked at them since Tuesday, when they were back to "out of stock" on it again.
It's caused quite the flap amongst the various gun forums - there's some pretty ugly stuff being said about cheaperthandirt.com because of it. All of it basically the same thing, once you cut through the layers of "colorful expressions": Let 'em choke on it! And I have to agree - It's one thing to do a minor bump when demand goes up, but it's a whole different situation when you're blatantly price-gouging the way they're doing.
Puppygirl73
Tourist
Do ot and can't for mental health reasons to many times in a mental hospital
Red1085
BANNED
I know I already answered, but since then i have bought 3 more guns. In fact my wife mentioned i need a bigger gun safe. I already have a huge safe as it is. But I also use it to store the knives I forge and make. In fact 2 of the guns i bought is to match a type of knife i'm making.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Q: How many guns do you need???
A1: One more.
A2: Yes.
Side note - Ammo I ordered got here earlier than expected - Almost a week earlier! Poor UPS driver... She was a petite little thing - She might've been all of 5 foot 1, and if I were to guess, I'd say if she was fully dressed and dripping wet, she might tip the scale at 125 - and had one helluva time wrestling the box off the truck! (It struck me as a bit odd that the supplier wrapped it up into one box instead of slapping a shipping label on each of the two cases and sending it that way - would've made handling it at least a little easier)
Nice to have a bit of a stockpile on hand. Almost 6K rounds of .22LR to feed the 10/22 that every gun owner ought to have, along with being able to run the AR on it now that the conversion bolt and mags for it came in, nearly 2500 rounds of 5.56/.223, several hundred rounds of .38 special in various flavors, a little less than 200 rounds of 9mm, about a hundred rounds of .30-30, another hundred or so of .30-06, and close to 400 rounds of 12 gauge buck/bird/slugs.
Not *QUITE* enough to arm the proverbial small banana-republic, but if the ever-popular "they" were to get a look at it for some reason, I expect the case of .22LR alone would be enough to get the talking heads creaming their jeans about the "domestic terrorist with an arsenal" on the national news these days. <rolls eyes>
"Arsenal"... Riiiiiiggghhhhht... They'd explode on the spot if they ran across a neighbor I used to have... Made my handful of guns and ammo look like a kid's cap-pistol with half a roll of caps - He once told me about, then later showed me, his "gun room" - I stopped counting at 30, and I'm sure that wasn't anywhere near being even a 5th of what he had. Everything from muzzle-loaders, derringers and shotguns, to a tommy gun and three brands of .50s. He kept talking about the deal he was trying to swing that would have given him a fully functional Ma Deuce, fergawdsake! Don't know if that one ever went through, though, since I moved and lost contact with him. And his "powder magazine" (a 20x20 shed attached to his garage) was enough to make a guy drool... Stacked to the rafters with every kind of ammo you'd be likely to want. Now THAT was an arsenal! Dude could have opened a gun store with what he had on hand, and not needed to order anything for most of a year, I'd bet.
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
I have three if you want to add to your collection. I can’t part with one, I could never part from him.?
Damn lady, you've got a hell of a collection!
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
im on board with what you got except for the 5.7.
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
There’s a reason they come with 20 round capacity. It takes 10 to drop someone.
Shroudedx
Tourist
Newest addition to my hoard of 2011s.... honestly disappointed in some regards. While accurate as expected I ran the same 500round drill as my friend, with the same 124gr +p gold dot, and had 3FtEs and actually had the gun seize up at round counts 150ish and 420ish (rapid fire drills), my SVIs, older STIs, etc never have actually seized up like this. I can’t recommend the staccato lineup.
Going to thoroughly clean it, apply new lube, use my SVI mags, and run 2,000 rounds or so this weekend. My friend ran his so hot his front sight melted, no seize up. Mine shat the bed and had to sit for 10 minutes before the slide would move. Was going to be my new purse gun or open carry gun but nope. There is a cute little Wilson combat calling my name tho XD
Going to thoroughly clean it, apply new lube, use my SVI mags, and run 2,000 rounds or so this weekend. My friend ran his so hot his front sight melted, no seize up. Mine shat the bed and had to sit for 10 minutes before the slide would move
. Was going to be my new purse gun or open carry gun but nope. There is a cute little Wilson combat calling my name tho XDAttachments
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Just took the boss to the range today - he's older, and rather frail, but owns two 9s - a Ruger, I think it was the SR-9 - that packs 17 in the mag, and an H&K I haven't actually put hands on yet, plus a S&W Model 36 ("Chiefs Special") of course in .38 special. He was talking about wanting to pick up an AR, so mine went with us so he could give it a try if he felt brave, along with my 10/22, and my own S&W Model 15, as well as the .22LR conversion bolt for the AR, and a thousand rounds of .22LR, plus 600 rounds of deliberately mixed PPU .223 55 grain FMJBT and Federal XM193 all magged up and ready to go. Grabbed range ammo for the .38s and the Ruger 9, and proceeded to shoot holes in targets using the various artillery.
Turns out he's probably gonna hafta stick with the wheel-gun - The slide on the ruger was too stiff for him to operate without struggling, and he doesn't have enough finger strength to get more than 4-5 rounds into the mag without a fight. He thought the AR was too heavy (Dunno what mine weighs - haven't run it across a scale. 7-8 pounds, maybe? Can't be too much more than that, I'd expect - it's a pretty bare-bones rig - All it's got on it is a Magpul MS1 sling, 15 inch Midwest Industries mlok free-float handguard, basic M4 style 5-position stock, and a scope that showed a shipping weight of a pound and a half on the box when it arrived) and trying to charge it gave him a rough time with the standard bolt in it, though he did OK with the .22LR conversion bolt in place, but decided he didn't want to actually fire it. He did pretty good banging away with my 10/22 and both revolvers, though.
That AR with the conversion bolt in it is all kinds of fun, and I'm honestly thinking it's shooting better than I can hold it steady. Put up 4 of those 6-inch-across Shoot-N-C bullseye stickers and ran it to the end of the range (27 yards, according to the target carrier), then proceeded to put 4 25-round mags of .22LR downrange as quick as I could get anything like a decent aim, one mag per sticker.
8 rounds out of the hundred didn't hit the bullseyes they were aimed at, and I just plain shot the bull out of two of them, with at least 15 inside each of the 8 rings. I was shooting the Aguila "Super Extra" 38 grain copper-plated HP ..22LR I got a week or so ago, and had not a single fail-to-fire or any other mode of failure unless you count me fumbling a bit while trying to swap mags.
Put up a fresh set of stickers and did the same with 4 30-round mags of the mixed .223/5.56. Put 4 off the stickers, and out of the other 116, only 19 outside the 3-5/8 inch 8-rings.
I guess it'll do for the moment
Gotta wait for the area's outdoor ranges to get back into operation so I can start doing longer range shooting and find out how it does.
Turns out he's probably gonna hafta stick with the wheel-gun - The slide on the ruger was too stiff for him to operate without struggling, and he doesn't have enough finger strength to get more than 4-5 rounds into the mag without a fight. He thought the AR was too heavy (Dunno what mine weighs - haven't run it across a scale. 7-8 pounds, maybe? Can't be too much more than that, I'd expect - it's a pretty bare-bones rig - All it's got on it is a Magpul MS1 sling, 15 inch Midwest Industries mlok free-float handguard, basic M4 style 5-position stock, and a scope that showed a shipping weight of a pound and a half on the box when it arrived) and trying to charge it gave him a rough time with the standard bolt in it, though he did OK with the .22LR conversion bolt in place, but decided he didn't want to actually fire it. He did pretty good banging away with my 10/22 and both revolvers, though.
That AR with the conversion bolt in it is all kinds of fun, and I'm honestly thinking it's shooting better than I can hold it steady. Put up 4 of those 6-inch-across Shoot-N-C bullseye stickers and ran it to the end of the range (27 yards, according to the target carrier), then proceeded to put 4 25-round mags of .22LR downrange as quick as I could get anything like a decent aim, one mag per sticker.
8 rounds out of the hundred didn't hit the bullseyes they were aimed at, and I just plain shot the bull out of two of them, with at least 15 inside each of the 8 rings. I was shooting the Aguila "Super Extra" 38 grain copper-plated HP ..22LR I got a week or so ago, and had not a single fail-to-fire or any other mode of failure unless you count me fumbling a bit while trying to swap mags.
Put up a fresh set of stickers and did the same with 4 30-round mags of the mixed .223/5.56. Put 4 off the stickers, and out of the other 116, only 19 outside the 3-5/8 inch 8-rings.
I guess it'll do for the moment
Gotta wait for the area's outdoor ranges to get back into operation so I can start doing longer range shooting and find out how it does.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Not I - All the guns I've ever owned other than a Roehm derringer and a Brazillian 870 knockoff configured as a "hallway broom" have been proper "American Heavy Metal"Has anyone here fired a SKS or SVD?
I'll admit that if I was the right part of the globe I'd like shooting some of the more exotic guns but have no wish to own one. I'm in the UK.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Dat's a right purty pew-pew ya got yerself, sunny-Jim. A true classic. Damned hard to go wrong with a 1911.My trusty ol' 1911A1. It has never jammed or misfired in the 30+ years I've had it.
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