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I didn't harm any animal or person, so don't worry about that. The thing is I feel guilty about the way I feel about animals, especially dogs

I love and am attracted to them but at the same time I can't help but feel like this is wrong, that I will end up hurting them without even noticing, and that maybe I should just go to a psychiatrist... I know this isn't wrong, but... A part of me can't stop feeling guilty and afraid, and feeling like maybe I should try to live a more "normal" life.

I don't really know, and it would be great to know if any of you has felt the same way and how you got through it.

Peace to everyone, have a nice day, and sorry for any bad grammar, English is not my first language and I learnt it by myself
 
From my first dog there may have been some guilt for me. But this was over a decade ago, so I may not remember how I felt then. I could add for knowing if you're hurting them is watching their body language, and watching their emotions a lot closer.
I know everyone is different, but I just dealt everyday as normal may be find something to do or get my mind off something.
 
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I've been in love with dogs for a few years now and never felt any guilt up until recently. Last time me and my female had mated after I finished I felt guilty for some reason. I only do it when she's in heat and rarely when she's not. She never rejects me and even seems to come back around for...
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It will pass once you realize there is nothing you can do and you are doing no harm.
 
BigPotato said:
I didn't harm any animal or person, so don't worry about that. The thing is I feel guilty about the way I feel about animals, especially dogs

I love and am attracted to them but at the same time I can't help but feel like this is wrong, that I will end up hurting them without even noticing, and that maybe I should just go to a psychiatrist... I know this isn't wrong, but... A part of me can't stop feeling guilty and afraid, and feeling like maybe I should try to live a more "normal" life.

I don't really know, and it would be great to know if any of you has felt the same way and how you got through it.

Peace to everyone, have a nice day, and sorry for any bad grammar, English is not my first language and I learnt it by myself
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I think it is a fairly common feeling, most of us grow up in a society that tends to pressure people to conform to certain morms.

As for seeking the services of a psychiatrist, I think most people would benefit greatly from such, but their response to zoophilia should be neutral provided there isn't any harm. I would never encourage someone to take this path because we tend to get emotionally involved with our partners and they do not live as long, so it tends make a life punctuated with loss....something I would avoid if I it were simply a choice.

If individuals choose to share a mutually pleasurable experience where all are adults who can engage or not as they see fit and there is no harm to any party, then I see no reason to feel guilty as I cannot see any harm in it.

I think it is important to reflect on the actions we take and examine them regularly to reduce the chances of acciental transgressions.

Some may find it gross and I'd encourage them to not engage in activity that they find repulsive, but if it works for you and a partner and there's no harm, I see no reason to feel bad about it.

There are ways to test and prove if the encounters are positive or negatve for the dog. Learned behaviors will increase or maintain frequency in the presence of a positive reinforcement and decrease in frequency with a negative/punishment. With that in mind, we can pick a specific "trick" you want the dog to do to invite sex (and never otherwise) then we can teach it using postive reinforcement as usual. Once the dog understands the new behavior/trick, switch to the cue being an invitation for sex. If the dog keeps "asking" with no other reward involved, you've got a pretty reliable answer.
 
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I used to live with a lot of guilt. I would think that I wasn't normal, that I was dirty, that people didn't really know me,.that I carried a dark secret. But I think it's the pressures of society and maybe my religious upbringing that was at the root of it all. I came to the realization that we all have faults, secrets, a past , what have you. Nobody is the same, yet nobody is better than the next person and that's what makes everyone of us unique and beautiful. I am happy with who I am. I love me and I will only change for the better. Being emotionally healthy means you need to be happy. Be happy with yourself and thankful you are alive.
 
Oh I felt guilty and sick after coming out to myself and watching my first mare porn, but you will gradually realise that it is simply just society pushing the idea that it's wrong and even "evil". Don't worry. It is perfectly healthy and even natural. Most people actually think about it, even if they don't wanna do it only for being a pariah or being disowned. Your parents, family, friends, neighbours, most if not all of them secretly like it. One or two might've even done it.
 
Something that can really help with overcoming guilt is coming to the realization that anti-zoophiles are not really the types of people you should be taking moral guidance from.
If you prod most anti-zoos, you will soon become aware that many of them do not actually care very deeply for animal wellbeing, and them worrying about whether or not animals can give consent is usually just an excuse.
When they shun zoos and zoophilia, it is usually not with animals' best interests in mind. It is not like most of them could raise any legitimate concern toward zoophilia.
In addition, most anti-zoos act very immaturely toward the subject of zoophilia, condemning it in a knee-jerky fashion rather than with careful deliberation, which is further evidence that they are in no position to be passing right judgment.

The killing blow, in my opinion, is the fact that the average anti-zoo knows absolute jack about animal behavior and cognition. That means that all the absurd things they say about animals not being able to consent or understand sex are coming from a place of total ignorance about animals, and are vapid. They likely do not know the first thing about how animals think, so you should not take their advice on how to properly treat animals.

(There are, of course, some anti-zoos who do honestly care for animals, and misguidedly believe that zoophilic sex is inherently harmful. I have much more respect for this small set.)
 
For years I also struggled with the guilt, and telling myself to stop thinking about mares, yet the more I repressed it, the stronger the feelings became. In addition, I didn't grew up with horses, and that made me realise that whatever I was feeling could be something innate.

It seems to me that there is a lot of double standards going on about animal wellbeing, and anti-zoos could gladly use that as an excuse to hide other motives. I figured out that in the end, as I wouldn't hurt the mare (be it emotionally or physically) in the process, there would only be a moral case to condemn me, yet my conscience would be clean.
 
AppleDash said:
For years I also struggled with the guilt, and telling myself to stop thinking about mares, yet the more I repressed it, the stronger the feelings became. In addition, I didn't grew up with horses, and that made me realise that whatever I was feeling could be something innate.

It seems to me that there is a lot of double standards going on about animal wellbeing, and anti-zoos could gladly use that as an excuse to hide other motives. I figured out that in the end, as I wouldn't hurt the mare (be it emotionally or physically) in the process, there would only be a moral case to condemn me, yet my conscience would be clean.
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Totally true. Many non-zoos still harm animals viciously, while most zoos genuinely love and care for their companions. And yet zoos are the ones who are ostracised and hated by most of society, as if we pick and choose what or who we love.
 
If you don't force anything and the animal is consensual and in fact certainly willing to do so In my humble opinion it's just nature interspecies sex is very common in nature its perfectly natural to feel guilt as we live in a society that has made alot of things taboo
 
egoldstein said:
There are ways to test and prove if the encounters are positive or negatve for the dog. Learned behaviors will increase or maintain frequency in the presence of a positive reinforcement and decrease in frequency with a negative/punishment. With that in mind, we can pick a specific "trick" you want the dog to do to invite sex (and never otherwise) then we can teach it using postive reinforcement as usual. Once the dog understands the new behavior/trick, switch to the cue being an invitation for sex. If the dog keeps "asking" with no other reward involved, you've got a pretty reliable answer.
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Dogs come with their own body language to initiate sex. Why teach them something unnatural instead of just listening to their natural language?

Your suggestion is unnecessarily complex in my opinion and can be misinterpreted. If you first teach the dog a trick with some known positive reinforcement and then reinterpret the meaning of that trick as asking for sex, you have basically trained the dog to "ask for sex". Not just how to ask, but to ask. That is neither a convincing sign for an own desire in the dog nor of consent. I see where you are getting by observing how the use of the trick develops then. But it's dubious. There are other reasons besides a desire for sex why a dog could continue to play along. For example, a dog with a will to please could already interpret your enjoyment of the act (instead of its own) as a continued positive enforcement.
 
Caniform said:
Dogs come with their own body language to initiate sex. Why teach them something unnatural instead of just listening to their natural language?

Your suggestion is unnecessarily complex in my opinion and can be misinterpreted. If you first teach the dog a trick with some known positive reinforcement and then reinterpret the meaning of that trick as asking for sex, you have basically trained the dog to "ask for sex". Not just how to ask, but to ask. That is neither a convincing sign for an own desire in the dog nor of consent. I see where you are getting by observing how the use of the trick develops then. But it's dubious. There are other reasons besides a desire for sex why a dog could continue to play along. For example, a dog with a will to please could already interpret your enjoyment of the act (instead of its own) as a continued positive enforcement.
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The basis is that a behavior will persist or increase in frequency in the presence of a reward/postive outcome and decrease in the presence of a punishment/unwanted outcome. It's not intended to be something a person would typiclly train nor did I say anything about consent, but as a way that if one wanted to know if the dog was enjoying the interaction or not in a clear and repeatable/testable way, that would be one way to find out. It is anything but dubious, it is based on well esstablished science and is testable and repeatable.

Edit: I mentioned it because I often hear arguments that imply sex is either inherently negative or there's no way to know for sure, so I mentioned a way to test. If someone was engaging in sexual relations and had doubts, with a little learning and a practical experiment, they could get a reliable answer.

Also, you seem to have misinderstood an important aspect, I presume it was due to my very brief description. The dog isn't asking for sex, the person is still giving a cue to prompt a behavior then following that behavior with a result (initiating sex instead of a treat). If for instance I use "shake hands" and the dog decreases in the reliably of shaking hands on cue, I should look closely at the sex as it would seem there's a punisher in there, but if the dog maintains a reliable "shake hands" in that situation or it improves, that is a reliable mechanism to infer that it is a positive result. It's an established way of evaluating environmental stimulus to determine if it is a positive or negative; it's not about sex particularly, but pairing the hypothesized "reward" as the result of a behavior and tracking the frequency over time for changes. To be useful, it requires recording data on the "trials" and it Is important of course to not use whatever cue (shake hands in this example) in other situations or one muddies the result.
 
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BigPotato said:
I didn't harm any animal or person, so don't worry about that. The thing is I feel guilty about the way I feel about animals, especially dogs

I love and am attracted to them but at the same time I can't help but feel like this is wrong, that I will end up hurting them without even noticing, and that maybe I should just go to a psychiatrist... I know this isn't wrong, but... A part of me can't stop feeling guilty and afraid, and feeling like maybe I should try to live a more "normal" life.

I don't really know, and it would be great to know if any of you has felt the same way and how you got through it.

Peace to everyone, have a nice day, and sorry for any bad grammar, English is not my first language and I learnt it by myself
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Yeah, sometimes i feel the same way. Sometime worse, overtime completely fine. I hope that you start to feel better soon!
 
BigPotato said:
I didn't harm any animal or person, so don't worry about that. The thing is I feel guilty about the way I feel about animals, especially dogs

I love and am attracted to them but at the same time I can't help but feel like this is wrong, that I will end up hurting them without even noticing, and that maybe I should just go to a psychiatrist... I know this isn't wrong, but... A part of me can't stop feeling guilty and afraid, and feeling like maybe I should try to live a more "normal" life.

I don't really know, and it would be great to know if any of you has felt the same way and how you got through it.

Peace to everyone, have a nice day, and sorry for any bad grammar, English is not my first language and I learnt it by myself
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I too have felt this way before some. Or at least others would judge me.
 
egoldstein said:
The basis is that a behavior will persist or increase in frequency in the presence of a reward/postive outcome and decrease in the presence of a punishment/unwanted outcome. It's not intended to be something a person would typiclly train nor did I say anything about consent, but as a way that if one wanted to know if the dog was enjoying the interaction or not in a clear and repeatable/testable way, that would be one way to find out. It is anything but dubious, it is based on well esstablished science and is testable and repeatable.

Edit: I mentioned it because I often hear arguments that imply sex is either inherently negative or there's no way to know for sure, so I mentioned a way to test. If someone was engaging in sexual relations and had doubts, with a little learning and a practical experiment, they could get a reliable answer.

Also, you seem to have misinderstood an important aspect, I presume it was due to my very brief description. The dog isn't asking for sex, the person is still giving a cue to prompt a behavior then following that behavior with a result (initiating sex instead of a treat). If for instance I use "shake hands" and the dog decreases in the reliably of shaking hands on cue, I should look closely at the sex as it would seem there's a punisher in there, but if the dog maintains a reliable "shake hands" in that situation or it improves, that is a reliable mechanism to infer that it is a positive result. It's an established way of evaluating environmental stimulus to determine if it is a positive or negative; it's not about sex particularly, but pairing the hypothesized "reward" as the result of a behavior and tracking the frequency over time for changes. To be useful, it requires recording data on the "trials" and it Is important of course to not use whatever cue (shake hands in this example) in other situations or one muddies the result.
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But isn’t that what relations are positive and or. Festive reinforcement
 
Michelle Flores said:
I used to live with a lot of guilt. I would think that I wasn't normal, that I was dirty, that people didn't really know me,.that I carried a dark secret. But I think it's the pressures of society and maybe my religious upbringing that was at the root of it all. I came to the realization that we all have faults, secrets, a past , what have you. Nobody is the same, yet nobody is better than the next person and that's what makes everyone of us unique and beautiful. I am happy with who I am. I love me and I will only change for the better. Being emotionally healthy means you need to be happy. Be happy with yourself and thankful you are alive.
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Where you From would love to chat?
 
I carried a lot of guilt around for a long time when I was active with my 1st dog. It was pretty bad, so bad that I buried that part of me for a long long time. Recently, well, a couple of years ago circumstances changed (I won’t bore you with details) and now as a much older and wiser woman I was much more in tune with myself and much more comfortable in my own skin.

I live alone with my German Shepard so that helps as privacy is important. Now I am over my guilty phase and I accept myself for who I am and I have a much deeper and richer understanding and relationship with my Shepard that I did when I was younger.

Maturity helps a lot…as it does with a lot of things
 
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