Zoophilia in history

[Wombat_intl]

One of the things I learned when I was involved with one a university admin back in the day is that up to 85 percent of books, art and research material held at campus libraries are not available to student or the public. If you want to see any of it you have to file a request and approval. Since my admin was into bestiality she occasionaly had to join her in the restricted tombs to go through some of it. I could have gone through it for months and not view all of that they had on the subject.

 

[allyfitz]

One of the things I learned when I was involved with one a university admin back in the day is that up to 85 percent of books, art and research material held at campus libraries are not available to student or the public. If you want to see any of it you have to file a request and approval. Since my admin was into bestiality she occasionaly had to join her in the restricted tombs to go through some of it. I could have gone through it for months and not view all of that they had on the subject.

When I was in university (last year), I ran into this a few times when needing to do research. It wasn't overly difficult, I just had to file a request to the Special Collections Dept, and then wait a few days for them to retrieve the book or material, and then I had to view it with them in the same room to make sure I didn't damage it or try to steal it.
I never once ran into the problem of being told no anytime I wanted to access something... just had to jump through hoops to get it.
Scientific Journals on the other hand... suck. Most of them are seriously pay-walled, and so you need to either cough up a lot of money, or request your professor pull the paper for you. That's where my research into the interaction of Canine and Human gamettes came to a screeching halt. While there were some papers that were public that I could get access to to get protein information I needed... so much was in papers I couldn't. There's even papers from the 50s and 60s that are still paywalled. A researcher named Bartlett did a bunch of studies on the subject, "Biochemical Characteristics of Dog Semen", "Studies on dog semen. I. Morphological characteristics", and "Studies on dog semen. II. Biochemical characteristics". But they're all paywalled. I was able to take advantage of a free trial to get access to one of them last year, but I havent read the others. And for obvious reasons I wasn't going to walk up to my professor and ask him to download them for me. lol

 

[Deleted member]

OMG you guys, sorry to hear of that level of censorship!
When I went to school, we didn't have that. Surprisingly the more things have got "Liberal", the left are doing the censoring like crazy according to my kids.

 

[allyfitz]

OMG you guys, sorry to hear of that level of censorship!
When I went to school, we didn't have that. Surprisingly the more things have got "Liberal", the left are doing the censoring like crazy according to my kids.

It's not exactly censorship, as the word is normally used. With respect to research materials that are non-digital... It's usually dont to protect the item, either because its old... or because the number of the books that were printed were so low that the institution doesn't want to risk it being damaged or misplaced because its not easy to replace.

With respect to digital papers, that's the racket of Science Journals. Read up on the Aaron Swartz case to get a better understanding. Here's what he wrote about it. https://archive.org/details/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto Science Journals effectively have a legal extortion scheme/monolopy. In order to advance your research career you need to write papers and publish them in science journal, In order to write papers you need access to prior papers. So you have to publish on their platforms to get anywhere, and you have to pay them to access the material already on them. The more respected the name, the more it costs, and the more important it becomes to have your work published there.

 

[Deleted member]

@allyfitz - a rather prophetic teacher once told me that "...everything mankind had accomplished will be lost." Now I see the mechanism as to how that will happen

 

[TheSeeker]

The old Norse god Loki is reputed to have given birth to an 8 legged foal called Sleipnir who became Odin's favourite horse. Loki changed himself into a mare in order to have a relationship with the stallion Svadilfari.

I went to a hippie private school and in 5th grade my perverted teacher taught us about that story. He was not shy to tell us about zoophilia… probably why he got fired

 

[Worshipper Wolf]

The old Norse god Loki is reputed to have given birth to an 8 legged foal called Sleipnir who became Odin's favourite horse. Loki changed himself into a mare in order to have a relationship with the stallion Svadilfari.

Also Fenrir is Loki's son.

 

[Patroclusmerm]

Moral of the story loki was freak who gave no fucks

 

[RR711]

I will mention one that i didn't see anyone mentioning.
Caligula really loved his horse Incitatus. Horse roamed free in house, bathed in their baths, had servants, almost appointed consul, exc. I wonder what was happening there ...
Most that is known about him came from one historian who didn't like him that much and who wrote about him after his demise, so everything needs to be taken lightly.

 

[Wasbitchpolly]

Greek

 

[Wasbitchpolly]

 

[K9sully]

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The original Gumby and Pokey ?

 

[Frehmelzen]

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Greek

Yeah, the Greek, they were naughty indeed.

 

[Wasbitchpolly]

Yeah, the Greek, they were naughty indeed.

They still are......so I’m told ?

 

[Frehmelzen]

They still are......so I’m told ?

Greek and Rome were the paradise for animal lovers as I was told. Those orgies were taking days and every exotic/farm animal was involved you can name.

 

[RR711]

Today I think that is moved to Mexico and south America (or still stayed there). Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Frehmelzen]

Today I think that is moved to Mexico and south America (or still stayed there). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Orgies with exotic animals? Name the place and I'm on the plane within an hour

 

[RR711]

a very interesting motif, imagine it as a base on a porcelain banquet dinner set ;-)

Some would appreciate it

 

[Mn42as]

One of the things I learned when I was involved with one a university admin back in the day is that up to 85 percent of books, art and research material held at campus libraries are not available to student or the public. If you want to see any of it you have to file a request and approval. Since my admin was into bestiality she occasionaly had to join her in the restricted tombs to go through some of it. I could have gone through it for months and not view all of that they had on the subject.

So iff i understand it right, there is a lot off ancient zoophilia material behind closed doors never to be seen for the public?

Someone should make a documentary about ancient zoophilia but it would probably be to controversial to do so nowadays.

 

[Pillar]

yes, just remember that the artifacts from Pompeii were in depots for almost 100 years away from the public eye

What artifacts were kept away from the public eye?

 

[Wombat_intl]

What artifacts were kept away from the public eye?

There were a large amount of "Bathhouses" in the city. In some of them there are still frescos painted on the walls of various sex acts. It is believed that the customers used them to point out what services they required. It wasn't until recently that pictures of these images were acknowledged and released. Images of bestiality are still withheld.

 

[Pillar]

There were a large amount of "Bathhouses" in the city. In some of them there are still frescos painted on the walls of various sex acts. It is believed that the customers used them to point out what services they required. It wasn't until recently that pictures of these images were acknowledged and released. Images of bestiality are still withheld.

Now those images of bestiality, I'd have to see them to believe them.

 

[Deleted member]

Now those images of bestiality, I'd have to see them to believe them.

I've seen several on BBC historical documentaries. Unlikely your FCC would ever allow them on NPR. If you can get BBC or Canadian Knowledge Network, you could be in luck! Look for Roman era docs.

 

[Riffraffroff]

Seriously it was as l ok mg as you werent a slave. Being bisexual was the norm. So there was no gay hate. It was just a better time all around for free people

I just read the article, this is amazing! It really does show a how much humans have changed to make something natural, and consider it a condemnable and abominable thing. Very informative!

 

[Cardinal_syn]

One of the things I learned when I was involved with one a university admin back in the day is that up to 85 percent of books, art and research material held at campus libraries are not available to student or the public. If you want to see any of it you have to file a request and approval. Since my admin was into bestiality she occasionaly had to join her in the restricted tombs to go through some of it. I could have gone through it for months and not view all of that they had on the subject.

My father was a publisher, and he had a private library that contained many textbooks and guides that only 2-3 were ever printed. One of the books was even a very detailed account of the medical experiments conducted by Japanese doctors in WWII, and yea I mean Unit 731 for those that are familiar. There was human-animal experimentation in that unit of a sexual nature.

Along with this book there was a full FBI dissertation on a massive zoo sex camp they broke up in the 60s. Probably my first exposure to the concept. He was also a musician and mentioned something in the book while drinking once saying he "saw it in a porn store".

A particular part of the report on equines described these "sex chairs" they used that were equipped with a small sled against some springs. The woman was spared injury because the sled would "give" under a certain amount of pressure and the woman was contained in a sort of horse looking stand that could bear about 2000lbs of pressure above her. The ME report in the book detailed women who were exhumed near the building these were installed in that died in the making of this device of everything from breaks to internal bleeding to head trauma. It was for all intents and purposes, functional, to the point they had a sort of manifesto manual about proper use, safety, horse size restrictions etc.

They recovered something like 100k photos, and 1000 hours of film reels (some stills were in the book). The safe had vague logs about camp events in the back of the book and its speculated around 10,000 or so people came and went from the camp from 1956ish to 1967. About 50 lived there.

The irony is these books were the unremarkable ones, hes a paranoid old conspiracy theorist now but he's got many of the medical texts in his library even still. So it wouldn't surprise me at all how much stuff is locked away by university libraries and academic circles about zoophilia in particular

 

[Frehmelzen]

One of the books was even a very detailed account of the medical experiments conducted by Japanese doctors in WWII, and yea I mean Unit 731 for those that are familiar. There was human-animal experimentation in that unit of a sexual nature.

I hope there were man+female animal experimentations and not just with regular farm animals. If I'm correct I would love to know more about these Japanese experiments.

 

[K9sully]

I hope there were man+female animal experimentations and not just with regular farm animals. If I'm correct I would love to know more about these Japanese experiments.

Probably involved Chinese or Korean women. I would like to know more, as well.

 

[Cardinal_syn]

I hope there were man+female animal experimentations and not just with regular farm animals. If I'm correct I would love to know more about these Japanese experiments.

Those are war crimes. None of those people consented to what was done to them so that conversation is not really about zoophilia, but rather torture, rape, coercion, exploitation of people, and the use of animals as weapons. I understand why you're curious, probably the same reason I opened the book at 15, but there isn't anything remotely arousing about what happened there. There are some accounts of what happened in the German camps and they don't differ much from 731.

 

[Deleted member]

Those are war crimes. None of those people consented to what was done to them so that conversation is not really about zoophilia, but rather torture, rape, coercion, exploitation of people, and the use of animals as weapons. I understand why you're curious, probably the same reason I opened the book at 15, but there isn't anything remotely arousing about what happened there. There are some accounts of what happened in the German camps and they don't differ much from 731.

Alas, many perusing these forums do not care. They just want their jollies. Matter of fact, some who have been banned made it clear the more pain, the more screaming, the more suffering, the more excited they get

 

[Cardinal_syn]

Alas, many perusing these forums do not care. They just want their jollies. Matter of fact, some who have been banned made it clear the more pain, the more screaming, the more suffering, the more excited they get

This is actually covered in that FBI dissertation. People who practice zoophilia tended to fall in to two categories, sexual deviancy and natural predisposition. Deviance had little separation from pedophilia, necrophilia, sexual sadism and sexual predation. People who experienced it as a deviance had little regard for human or animal dignity. The accounts are disputed but I have a clear example, here follows the account of Rachel Hanan, prisoner at Birkenau:

"Besides that, you know, there were other punishments they could do to you. There were specially there were, you know, those dogs. There were those dogs in the camp. They were very huge dogs. We were afraid of those dogs more than the Germans. Because they were trained to make, you know, to make sex with girls. So if they wanted to punish you, they would take these horrible big dogs and enforce you there to make, whatever. In any case, once it happened, it was a French lady, and she had a beautiful daughter of 16, she was really beautiful. And then, you know, they forced the girl - I don't know what she has done wrong - to do that with the dog. The mother was watching. The girl died because the dog was vicious and bad and big and whatever. She died on the spot. And the mother, she couldn't stand it anymore. She went and hanged herself to the barbed wire, you know, electric, and she died as well."

Its not hard to understand what kind of person trained those dogs or what side of the division they stood on. You are right that we need not look further than the forums to find such people. A woman offers her account or experience or identifies her gender, RIP inbox and 20 people post on profile "Oh baby I think about how your lucky doggy puts it in your @%!%& and I could be your lucky doggy".

Some of us talk so remarkably normal and respectful and others its just... creepy. This isn't an attack on the forums but rather a sorta half answer to a question I've seen posted 1000 times. "Why can't I find a partner who is zoo?" See above. Personally I also try to avoid cruelty or sexual dysfunction with my human partners. I feel for the women.