Leasing an Equine

[EponasDevotee]

In a private dialog with someone a question came to mind that I'm interested in how other equine zoo 'owners' feel. Let's not turn this into a heated debate or flame war it's intended to be food for thought and an opportunity for others to share their opinions, so let's keep it civil please.

One option for someone who's exploring whether their heart, love and soul rests with equines is to lease one taking full responsibility for said equines care and upkeep. Lease terms can vary tremendously but in some (many) instances, especially with a breeding lease, the mare (or stallion) is housed on the lessee's property. In others their full care is paid for at a commercial stable (not the best place to explore an intimate relationship though). One of the issues with fence hopping is that a fence hopper doesn't have to take accountability or responsibility for said equine should complications happen as a result of (an) intimate encounter(s). Of course there's the issue with 'property rights' although I don't regard any living being as property regardless of societies viewpoint on such even if I have to acknowledge it.

For example in any lease (especially a breeding lease or one where the equine could be fatally injured or die) the lease should specify clearly who is responsible for the financial (not to mention emotional) loss. I would never lease any of my beloveds for breeding or any endeavor (like competition where a fatal injury could occur) that might place them at risk. I'd also not lease them to anyone that I did not know extremely well. It should be noted that most mundanes regard equines more as property than a companion and partner. Under it all the issue is trust yet sadly too many humans are simply not trustworthy IMO.

I know a few equine zoo friends that have leased mares and explored an intimate relationship up to and including purchasing the mare later. Thanks for your comments and opinions.

 

[nekdoneco123]

how is that not prostitution with extra steps? besides the would-be-pimp not knowing he potentially becomes one (assuming you lease the horse from a "normie" without disclosing your full intentions)?

 

[EponasDevotee]

how is that not prostitution with extra steps? besides the would-be-pimp not knowing he potentially becomes one (assuming you lease the horse from a "normie" without disclosing your full intentions)?

An interesting perspective, then there is the breeding lease where the mare dies giving or shortly after birth due to complications how is this preferable to one that is cherished, loved perhaps eventually purchased? Accidents can and do happen with any gender equine how is death okay but sex isn't? Humans hold entirely too much unnecessary 'morality' baggage regarding sex and sexuality. Consider that the equine might finally get a chance to be appreciated and loved 'wholly' how does that 'hurt' anyone?

 

[nekdoneco123]

An interesting perspective, then there is the breeding lease where the mare dies giving or shortly after birth due to complications how is this preferable to one that is cherished, loved perhaps eventually purchased? Accidents can and do happen with any gender equine how is death okay but sex isn't? Humans hold entirely too much unnecessary 'morality' baggage regarding sex and sexuality. Consider that the equine might finally get a chance to be appreciated and loved 'wholly' how does that 'hurt' anyone?

i never said death is okay. i asked how is that not prostitution. frankly, you can call it "wholy loving the animal" or that one in forty might end up purchasing the animal or whatever, you're still just selling sex (you wouldn't pitch the idea on a zoophilia forum otherwise) or are merely giving that as advice to others. "wanna fuck a horse? lease one!".

yes, it is probably somewhat safe for the animal, as in they probably won't get hurt... i can see this making the news easily and hurting "us" in the long run.
this along with the little "just bring a cup of mare piss" advice you gave in that one how to make stallion interested thread makes me question if you really care about horses. you seem to lean on "treat them like sex objects" quite a lot to be honest...

how is buying any animal not slavery with extra steps? is it prostitution if you find yourself in a relationship with a gold digger? If you raise a puppy and then mate with them later, is that not grooming?

whataboutism isn't as much of a pro move as you seem to think it is.

 

[nekdoneco123]

I'm just spitballing. I don't know enough about horses myself to have any significant input on his ideas.

i don't think knowledge about horses is a requirement to have an opinion about providing sex for money. that's the idea/advice being pitched here.
i worked with horses and i find this appalling.

we can wait for opinions of equine zoos.... i don't consider myself being one.

 

[EponasDevotee]

i never said death is okay. i asked how is that not prostitution. frankly, you can call it "wholy loving the animal" or that one in forty might end up purchasing the animal or whatever, you're still just selling sex (you wouldn't pitch the idea on a zoophilia forum otherwise) or are merely giving that as advice to others. "wanna fuck a horse? lease one!".

yes, it is probably somewhat safe for the animal, as in they probably won't get hurt... i can see this making the news easily and hurting "us" in the long run.
this along with the little "just bring a cup of mare piss" advice you gave in that one how to make stallion interested thread makes me question if you really care about horses. you seem to lean on "treat them like sex objects" quite a lot to be honest...

whataboutism isn't as much of a pro move as you seem to think it is.

You're attempting to change the topic into a 'moral' focus which is NOT the intent of my OP. By your own admission you lack both knowledge and experience with equines yet openly pontificate on the same subject then have the gall to question my relationship with both Epona and her children when you really have no clue. This type of discussion belongs in the Dumpster, not here. I explained my answer regarding my advice using mare in estrous urine elsewhere and there's no need to discuss it further here.

My recommendation to anyone that is not sure of how they feel about equines is to first volunteer at a private or public stable and learn about the investment and work involved. IF they decide that they are up to the task but still yet don't want to purchase an equine there IS the option of leasing to take on themselves full responsibility for an equines care and upkeep in addition to exploring a one-on-one relationship with one. This is NOT uncommon in the equine 'industry'. What an individual decides to pursue in such a relationship then is between them and the horse as long as it doesn't involve abuse and/or exploitation. If you choose to view intimate interactions as either exploitation or prostitution that is your opinion but that does NOT make it so...

 

[nekdoneco123]

If you choose to view intimate interactions as either exploitation or prostitution that is your opinion but that does NOT make it so...

the thing is, i didn't choose a view. it's just how your advice looks like to me, hence my first question being "how is that not prostitution with extra steps"? you are literally pitching an idea of exchanging money (you're not leasing for free, are you?) for sex (or just a possibility of sex; ie: the extra steps).

You're attempting to change the topic into a 'moral' focus which is NOT the intent of my OP.

is morality like not a thing for you because "it's just animals" or something? why should it be omitted?

By your own admission you lack both knowledge and experience with equines yet openly pontificate on the same subject then have the gall to question my relationship with both Epona and her children when you really have no clue.

so far i seem to be the only one willing to openly engage with you on this topic for some reason... and to be honest, your "relationship" with epona and her children comes off mostly as either an elaborate joke or a mask. at least i believe someone calling themselves a devotee of epona would give different advices regarding equines than "just bait him" or "lease her, then fuck her".

This type of discussion belongs in the Dumpster, not here. I explained my answer regarding my advice using mare in estrous urine elsewhere and there's no need to discuss it further here.

i don't think it does belong over to the dumpster as long as it stays civil which it so far does. it not being there kinda hints at mods either thinking alike or not caring. it just draws a bigger picture of your character.

 

[ZETA_256]

Interesting to think about. I would like to be able to work with and be around animals like horses more someday. It is pretty sinister and condescending what nekodoneco is saying. A lot of assumption and narrative being added on their part.