I never said I don't like anal. I do.
I said DOGS specifically do not participate on their own.
I just got done saying my goats DO. I still don't think a human should be having anal with a goat though. Their penis and ours is very different.
And yeah buddy jumped down my throat so I'm gonna be a little cranky idk what you expect
Please take it down a notch or two. There is a religious or moral argument being made here and trying to impose that onto scientific facts. I am willing to have either, or both conversations but I suggest not trying to justify a distaste of an action as morally accurate. Or jump that a moral stance is scientific.
We were on the same page that your goats have the tendency to engage in personal sexual gratificaiton with each other. that they swap places even, so they BOTH get something out of the act outside reproduction, which is what biological essentialists will commonly use as a justification to call things 'bad'
But we have seen over and over, homosexual attraction, personal sexual gratification, and anal sex is present in nature, it's not something imposed.
You are claiming that your goats do this regularly and I celebrated that they are comfortable and healthy which is what matters, and I thanked you for allowing them to indulge themselves. You are a good person for not imposing your will OVER their personal preferences.
We were all good.
But to say that dogs do not engage in anal sex, would be either be a mis-categorization or a lie. I don't want to call you a liar. I really don't. This is a really illuminating conversation and I want it to remain civil.
Let's approach it from a different place.
Is a dog aware enough, smart enough, to understand consequences? That if they do a certain thing, other things will happen? Good or bad?
I beleive that is beyond argument, they know when they do something wrong because they sulk when they get caught doing that action. They also know that to get rewards they can do certain things and expect the response from humans to get what they want.
There is a level of awareness that is needed for that and dogs clearly surpass that minimum.
Can dogs Convey to humans when they DO NOT want to do something?
Clearly, they have built a non-verbal language with us. I would want more studies done to confirm that CONSENT is possible from our companions, but the way we approach sex with dogs all follows the same "Wait and see" approach we would use for someone incapable of speech.
Is there ANY difference with that 'wait and see' approach, when applied to anal sex?