i do not wish to offend anyone with this post. do any of you feel... ashamed of who you are?

Renman said:
Are you going to let a VERY screwed up world that clearly can't get its own act together be the determiner of what is and is not "OK"? And then allow that screwed up determination be something you internalize and use as a way you evaluate yourself...and find yourself lacking and so see yourself as somehow fucked up? Perhaps you are not fucked up. Perhaps there is no need for the "I am bad" evaluation outcome that is the definition of "shame". Perhaps the world and its views are fucked up. True, the world is bigger than any of us and its misguided and fucked up views do have influence. But how much are you going to accept its fucked up view and take it as your own? Maybe try letting that go and try accepting yourself as you are without the world's petty and distorted "judgment" of you. Wouldn't that be much more freeing? Much more adaptive for your life? Much more true?
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im not saying its wrong to, i think its morally okay completely but i just feel a bit of shame, its not like i choose to feel shame. its just how i am.
 
I started experimenting with my boy when I was a very bi-curious teenager growing up in a very conservative environment. As it was before the internet, I literally thought I was the only person in the world doing such a depraved thing. After every session I had such shame that I would swear to myself that I would never ever do it again. Of course, within a day or two, my mind would wander to thoughts of his hard hot cock and I found myself under him, both of us getting off hard. So the cycle would repeat itself. I was very relieved to eventually discover that I was not alone however, I still keep it a secret that I will never share with my family or immediate friends. I would like to make new friends who are into Zoo like I am though
 
I would disagree I think the bible provides us with an individual to follow and to do the same works to live a happy life and a life of virtue and that’s understandable. I don’t think it’s a tool of control because it’s voluntary to be part of it and it no longer has ties to the government. That being said I’m not gonna be arrogant and say I know best maybe there is something wrong with all of us the silver lining is that with the acceptance of men being able to call themselves girls eventually we’ll be accepted into society in some manner. My best guess is that we’re all pathologically sexual and have expelled the normal recourse of sex and we have yearned for dirtier and more dubious stuff and this is where the most bestial dirty stuff exists in just being primal animals. I think we’ll find the guys here myself included are more feminine and the women are more vocal about their sexual escapades.
 
No.

If *you* feel ashamed, work to identify what construct is giving you the conflict. There is something about your identity, your "circles," that doesn't allow you to accept your "dick" as just a part of yourself. Something has caused you to think of this part of your body as not like any other part of your body. And "this" part of your body can only be used "certain" ways, no other.

Your hand is allowed to encounter mold, mildew, slime, whatever. No special limitations for your hand.

Your side-butt is allowed to accidentally encounter whatever is in the way. No problem.

But if your "cock" is exposed to... whatever you want to put next... it's a huge violation.

Why? Who *made* your cock so special that it can't touch/experience certain things? It's JUST a frickin' piece of you. Another piece of you. With its own sensory nerves. No big deal.

Shame is imposed on us by something external. We would NEVER experience shame except for the concept of external judgment.

Who is judging what your cock does? What external thing is imposing judgment on it? On you for allowing it to come in contact with this other thing?

Shame is *always* an external thing. If it were just you, just being you, just living out your life, you would not experience shame.

Shame is always about what you think others will think about you.

You SURE you want to allow this shame? Is this about *you* or someone external? And if external, why do you judge them to have superior knowledge of right and wrong?

Figure that out, you'll know what to do next.
 
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No, not ashamed of who I am. More curious as to why/where/how I developed my desire for male dogs. I am in a long term relationship with a woman, but when I was younger I had a desire to be with male dogs. I agree with the post above me, the shame is dictated from an external source: societal, familial, etc. I was lucky that this was my secret and had the opportunity to digest what I was feeling and process how I felt. Hope not to be offensive, but maybe a therapist could be of some assistance in allowing you to develop some internal language to help you with this challenge.
 
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I usually say no, not at all, but to tell the truth, I remember that I was, growing up. I remember being horrified at what it might mean, what it made ‘me.’ Whether I was “sick in the head.” Why couldn’t I just be “normal”?

But it was so long ago, I have to really stop and work at it. And when I do? It’s such an unpleasant memory of self-loathing, I wish I hadn’t brought it back up.
 
I’m definitely not ashamed of who I am. Quite opposite actually. I’m proud to be a zoo, and I am proud of the relationship that me and my doggie girl have. I wouldn’t change who I was, or what I felt. Even if I was able to.
 
I have always been attracted to animals, ever since I became aware of my own body and sexuality, and that was very early..I matured early. However, from about the age of fourteen to sixteen I doubted myself whether I was normal. Sex with boys/men and girls was the norm for everyone, I assumed, so why was I thinking about other things about sex? Via via I ended up on a chat site where in private conversations with a few people it became clear to me that I was definitely not the only one with feelings for animals. After a long time and many conversations I was introduced to the animal world by an older couple at their home. having sex with their dog, and that was a revelation and relief for me. And I knew it was nothing to be ashamed of. So I don't feel ashamed at all for what I am and feel.
 
I am not ashamed... but i do feel confuse maybe.
I never tlaked about that before... Glad I found this website today. Reading you guys is helping me. I never experienced zoo before but I often watch videos and it turn me on so bad... Before today, i felt quite alone but you already helped me. Hope i will be able to chat with you and maybe experience things soon.
 
fluffy333 said:
Feels lonely in the normal world. Do i think it's wrong, not really, am i proud? not really. It happened to me around twelve years of age. Not really anything I could do, so here I am. Keeping my secrets:)
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You're okay too dude!!;) It is lonely because society doesn't understand and like everything else they have no tolerance for us. Like you, most of us are keeping the same secrets. But I do accept who I am and you should too! In the end, being true to yourself and accepting yourself is all that matters.
 
Yes. Complicated mix of past. But, essentially industrial revolution and religion has separated man from animal on only the most defined boundaries. As it stands, yes, if most families, friends, anyone had the knowledge and then explained in bad or worse.terms what that is...
 
I wouldnt say I'm ashamed of who I am, or what I'm in to, but I do agree with having the cravings of interaction. Been about three years since I did anything and sometimes it's just downright annoying
 
I go back and forth and will continue to adjust aiming for not feeling shame. Shame comes from the guilt of believing it is wrong and still wanting to act on it. You need to get rid of the thought of it being immoral. If feels like wanting to commit a sin you know is wrong and getting a thrill for the moment but going back to your normal self until you want the thrill again. The guilt of knowing how society including family and friends would condemn you for what you do brings more shame.

You either need to find a way to adjust your moral compass and go at it or resist every time you have thoughts and feelings overcoming temptation or suffer shame and depression for life with a secret compulsion as it won't fit in your scope of acceptance. At least try to find someone who can feed into your urges and console you after the act thus creating a feeling of what you are doing is ok.
 
I certainly don't feel shame. I did at first, because it was bestial, but two weeks after my first zoo porn, I said "fuck it" and haven't looked back.
 
Goozeflzh said:
I am a 23 y/o transguy who have always been into girls.
I also happen to have a rather low sex drive, and I am very content with being single and I do not crave for any sort of intimacy. Especially not emotionally.
But at the same time, I have also always been into male dogs. Which is weird because I'm not into human males at all really. At least I don't think so. I consider myself straight. Seriously. I am so confused by this.

I do not live by myself at the moment, and I have only been with a dog yeaaaars ago, but ever since then I have had, uh, a craving. But I hate it. It makes me feel ashamed. I don't understand why. Is it the taboo of it all? What else could it be? I want to keep it behind closed doors, but internally acting out on it would make me feel so ashamed, even though I really want to act on it someday.

Does anyone else feel the same?
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I've been struggling with the feeling for a long time, even falling into groups that specifically hate people like us...but in the end it's something that you have to accept about yourself. It gets better the more you look at it rationally and accept that you're not a bad person for being who you are, along with the fact that there's research you can look into that helps understand better.
 
I think we are all affected by societies attitudes and expectations. There's always a voice in the back of a person's mind, the social mind if you will. People who are queer in any way, either creatively, or being gay or transgender or zoo, or if you're David Bowie, will be more keenly aware of it. Constantly reminding you you're going against the flow.

Listening to that voice and giving it power is what I would consider taking on toxic shame and guilt because it comes from external sources. If you listen to your natural shame that tells you what you authentically should be ashamed of, say, being violent in a situation, or etc. for example, would be a healthier relationship to these emotions. This is how you separate those voices into ones you shouldn't listen to and which ones are truth based, and how one can be a Zoo and not ashamed. I wouldn't be ashamed of having sex with an animal, although I've been keenly aware what I was doing would be considered taboo in my culture (U.S.) . I would be truly ashamed of harming an animal however. That would be true.

As to the social aspect, I certainly have internalized a bit of that social voice but I am truthfully not ashamed or else I would never do it again and I would personalize my feeling of shame Everytime I did. I don't. I do have a humiliation fetish concerning my zoo desires as a way to play with those social voices. Being reminded that society looks at it that way, but yet not being ashamed of it is kind of a turn on. Ultimately my Zoo desire is authentic, as I've almost entirely been attracted to animals exclusively. It comes with the territory, and it's toxic and not based in truth. Build an immune system to it since we have to live in this environment, and remind yourself of what you truly stand for and live by that.
 
Goozeflzh said:
I am a 23 y/o transguy who have always been into girls.
I also happen to have a rather low sex drive, and I am very content with being single and I do not crave for any sort of intimacy. Especially not emotionally.
But at the same time, I have also always been into male dogs. Which is weird because I'm not into human males at all really. At least I don't think so. I consider myself straight. Seriously. I am so confused by this.

I do not live by myself at the moment, and I have only been with a dog yeaaaars ago, but ever since then I have had, uh, a craving. But I hate it. It makes me feel ashamed. I don't understand why. Is it the taboo of it all? What else could it be? I want to keep it behind closed doors, but internally acting out on it would make me feel so ashamed, even though I really want to act on it someday.

Does anyone else feel the same?
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Much of the shame is coming from the indoctrination of kids by dictatorial Christians......lives have been ruined by their actions and they are still doing it....so sad.
 
Absolutely feel ashamed and embarrassed. Grew up not being able to explain myself, talk about my true sexual nature to friends and family or even doctors. Can't relate to normal human sexuality, which I guess is a two way thing cuz it also means I'm not swayed by big bouncy boobs or big pecs and throbbing crotches.

It's lead to a life of isolation, depression and despair quite honestly. Can't exactly chat idly with friends about how dreamy the pigs were at the state fair this year, like they would always chat about the local waitress or store clerk...
 
Ouinq~ said:
Absolutely feel ashamed and embarrassed. Grew up not being able to explain myself, talk about my true sexual nature to friends and family or even doctors. Can't relate to normal human sexuality, which I guess is a two way thing cuz it also means I'm not swayed by big bouncy boobs or big pecs and throbbing crotches.

It's lead to a life of isolation, depression and despair quite honestly. Can't exactly chat idly with friends about how dreamy the pigs were at the state fair this year, like they would always chat about the local waitress or store clerk...
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My feelings too at animal shows...I so wanted sex with some of the animals..not just with the prizewinners...I often wondered how many other guys at the show felt as I did...walking around with a boner all day..luckily I had animals on home farm....to satisfy my urges.
 
"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

And there you have it. Wisdom from the Bard.

William Shakespeare. *Hamlet*
 
zetacable said:
i do feel a little bit ashamed of myself, im sure if the world does one day accept zoos for who we are and what we are there won't be shame for just being a zoo. but i have a feeling that day may not come for a long time.
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If you wait for the world's approval, you will live life disappointed. On no matter ever of concern, did the world "approve" of it. It's a game of numbers. You mean, when a "majority" votes zoo is okay............ Ay!!!!! That day may never come! Do not wait for that day. There will ALWAYS be a faction who disapprove of it, and AWLWAYS be a faction who approves. It's neither here nor there, unless you are into pointless percentages.

Discern your own principles. Follow your own path. Be like the Buddhists who teach, "Everyone is on their own path. May *your* path bring you happiness."

Listen to all voices, but... hear you own, learn your own, follow your own.

Bottom line: Do *you* think what you are doing is wrong? Aside from all other opinions, do *you* think you are.... evil?

I don't. I can't judge "you." No one can judge you. If you feel anguish, it's because *you* are judging you. Now... you just have to decide how *your* opinion of you was formed. Was it the opinions of others? Or do you, deep down, YOU, think you are doing something wrong.

If so, don't do that anymore. If not, who gives a shit. Be you!
 
It's been said in many ways already, but just be you. I also felt the guilt, the shame, the "wrongness" and it took more than 15 years to come to a place of acceptance. What a waste of time and energy over what others thought was right and wrong.

Life is short. If you find something that turns you on, enjoy it! Nothing lasts forever, not love, nor libido, nor giving a damn what others think. Cut to the chase and enjoy all that life has to offer-- as long as you aren't hurting anyone in the process!

Cheers!
 
I'm a trans guy too (a bottom with a massive attraction to male dogs) and I think I'm just going to have to come to terms with the fact that I will always on some level feel ashamed for how taboo my fetish is.

I can easily say that I'd never force anything or intend to harm a dog, but other people will always think otherwise.
 
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