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Biological females compared to MtF Trans

Pillar

Prized Citizen of ZV
An interesting argument came up on another thread about a lady that's possibly a MtF (male-to-female) trans, but I'm unsure as to what the differences would be like anatomically speaking. Obviously, males and females have different builds from each other, but with so little experience I wouldn't know the difference. So I made this thread exactly for that - what the differences would be. Any input is appreciated, including from any MtF trans and please, keep it civil.
 

dinadina

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
MtF who had surgery you mean?
in that case there would be something which would look like a vagina but wont act as one.
it can't stretch the same has women's vagina plus it is dry.
Mtf's also need to constent make sure the surgery hole kept open because the body tries to close it up and heal it..
 

FatBitchPussy

Citizen of Zooville
dinadina, be careful of your descriptions of male-to-female anatomy. It's much more complex than just stating generalized - and erroneous - bullet points.
 

sauropod

Tourist
An interesting argument came up on another thread about a lady that's possibly a MtF (male-to-female) trans
Lets be clear here: that thread is cancer and every thing I posted there was either joke or satire because that's how I cope with stubborn individuals who are unable to acknowledge that they were wrong. Lady from the thread is 100% biological female with functioning and naturally lubricating vagina. There is no way that her genitals were modeled in her adulthood by plastic surgeon. It is mainly her make up what makes her look "different" - and I bet she is making herself this way on purpose because you have to differentiate yourself in e-thot business as much as you can. The whole discussion about if she has male or female bones and legs is ridiculous. Strictly speaking two genders are just social construct. There is, always have been and always will be countless varying combination of those two basic genders and their properties. It is just matter of mathematics, randomness and probability. She could have male legs, female genitalia, female breasts and I don't know, male neck. Things like that are possible. Some people call it mutation, I call it sexy.
 

SigmatoZeta

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I have actually pondered transitioning a few times, but even if I did, I would keep my old plumbing because dicks make sense to me. If someone called me "he," it is not that I would mind: that person would just sound stupid saying that of somebody with lipstick, hose, and a chemise. I think I would look great in a chemise. I am currently just too busy with other shit and don't care that much. I might be agender, to be honest.
 

Oldman

Moderator
Staff member
My ex roomate who is m to f and sitting right next to me is dictating this as I type. She has had half the surgery and is saving for the other half. Forgive the lack of punctuation and spelling.

it would really depend on the surgeon. a good surgeon will use part of the colon as well as the penile skin and gland. they will split it in half and use one part for the vaginal canal and the other for the clit. if they use portion of the colon that will provide lubrication and the problem with that is it will be always wet.

The best surgeons are in Thailand because that is where the vast majority of sex changes are done and it is popular in their culture.

added: dilating is a part of the recovery, painful and usually has to be done 3 to 4 times a week even after a year of every day dilating.
(this is coming from a friend of hers that did have the surgery and has told her story about the process.)
 

timmythetooth

Citizen of Zooville
My ex roomate who is m to f and sitting right next to me is dictating this as I type. She has had half the surgery and is saving for the other half. Forgive the lack of punctuation and spelling.

it would really depend on the surgeon. a good surgeon will use part of the colon as well as the penile skin and gland. they will split it in half and use one part for the vaginal canal and the other for the clit. if they use portion of the colon that will provide lubrication and the problem with that is it will be always wet.

The best surgeons are in Thailand because that is where the vast majority of sex changes are done and it is popular in their culture.

added: dilating is a part of the recovery, painful and usually has to be done 3 to 4 times a week even after a year of every day dilating.
(this is coming from a friend of hers that did have the surgery and has told her story about the process.)
that sounds like a very very expensive transition
 

Tgzoogirl

Zooville Settler
On this topic I am clueless. I only want top surgery myself so I have no idea what the full GRS would be like.

I can imagine it being very intrusive though.

Just be aware to not turn this conversation into some kind of comparison between different kinds of women or use our physical anatomy as some kind of womanhood metric.
 

Pillar

Prized Citizen of ZV
On this topic I am clueless. I only want top surgery myself so I have no idea what the full GRS would be like.

I can imagine it being very intrusive though.

Just be aware to not turn this conversation into some kind of comparison between different kinds of women or use our physical anatomy as some kind of womanhood metric.
I'm going to be distasteful about it and say I kind of already have - the reason I made this thread was to try and learn the differences between the two. I am not against any kind of trans people, whether MtF or FtM - I just have no sexual interest in trans women, and I don't want to get tricked by a trans woman with a neovagina saying that he or she was born a woman when he or she was born a man, should I ever run across a situation like that in the future.
 

RomulusFr

Citizen of Zooville
I'm going to be distasteful about it and say I kind of already have - the reason I made this thread was to try and learn the differences between the two. I am not against any kind of trans people, whether MtF or FtM - I just have no sexual interest in trans women, and I don't want to get tricked by a trans woman with a neovagina saying that he or she was born a woman when he or she was born a man, should I ever run across a situation like that in the future.
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Shroudedx

Tourist
I'm going to be distasteful about it and say I kind of already have - the reason I made this thread was to try and learn the differences between the two. I am not against any kind of trans people, whether MtF or FtM - I just have no sexual interest in trans women, and I don't want to get tricked by a trans woman with a neovagina saying that he or she was born a woman when he or she was born a man, should I ever run across a situation like that in the future.
To be quite fair, even with the best surgeons (suporn, chett, brassard) there is some degree of difference. Primarily this comes down to how one heals. A majority of the time there is notable scarring which can be rather traumatic. Search up results from those surgeons.

Frequently, one will go back for touch up/further cosmetic work once you have healed. Whether it be further shaping the labia, evening things out, fixing any fused tissues, or trying to treat scars (most noted with penile inversion)

On the physical/mental stuff you can refer to my posts about various studies talking about brain structure of mtf/ftm trans and how it generally is that of the sex/gender they identify as.

I’m intersex, with a rather interesting set of equipment. While I won’t go into specifics, even ambiguous genitalia will have a cosmetic difference unless the surgeries were from birth. Unfortunately, given the costs of these surgeries, it’s very rare that one gets them at a young age. A general rule is younger the better all around, from HRT to surgeries.

As for expenses, well it can be extreme. I myself had a little over 100,000 set aside for my journey but had to spend that helping my father due to medical issues.
 

Shroudedx

Tourist
I forgot to ad this note

All of my mtf friends that pass would rather be honest upfront when it comes to dating than risk you finding out while in bed with them. Hate crimes are far too common and not being forthright when sleeping with someone is just way too risky. So while they won’t advertise it in their day to day, in dating none of my friends would hide who/what they are. But that’s all down to the individual I guess. That said not being honest wouldn’t generally be from a nefarious place, it’s just out of fear.
 

Pillar

Prized Citizen of ZV
I forgot to ad this note

All of my mtf friends that pass would rather be honest upfront when it comes to dating than risk you finding out while in bed with them. Hate crimes are far too common and not being forthright when sleeping with someone is just way too risky. So while they won’t advertise it in their day to day, in dating none of my friends would hide who/what they are. But that’s all down to the individual I guess. That said not being honest wouldn’t generally be from a nefarious place, it’s just out of fear.
While I do understand that fear can be justified despite the rights that LGBTQ has fought for, if I happened to sleep with someone I found out was a male, I'd have a hard time forgiving myself for that. It would bring about the kind of pain and sorrow that would be suicidal - how would I live with that? I couldn't even look at myself in the mirror the same anymore, knowing I fucked a "woman", but was really a man. I'd have to live with the fact that I UNKNOWINGLY had gay sex. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

As for the man I was led to believe was a woman and that I fucked, I don't want any hostility, so I'd let it go, but I'd be fucking mad for a while (nothing violent though).

On a side note I'm NOT JUSTIFYING hate crime here - attacking someone because you don't agree with their bodily presentation is unacceptable, but I'd call it a hate crime ONLY IF he was being targeted solely for presenting himself as a female. Even after-the-fact sex is still not a valid reason to commit violence, but in my eyes, it's sexual violence to present for a MtF trans to present himself as a female and not telling the other man that he is MtF.

If it were me, I'd feel incredibly sexually violated if a MtF trans wanted me to fuck him and he didn't tell me he was a man - I would have UNKNOWINGLY had sex with a man. TBH just typing that out makes me feel like I just got raped.
 

Bloodwolf

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
While I do understand that fear can be justified despite the rights that LGBTQ has fought for, if I happened to sleep with someone I found out was a male, I'd have a hard time forgiving myself for that. It would bring about the kind of pain and sorrow that would be suicidal - how would I live with that? I couldn't even look at myself in the mirror the same anymore, knowing I fucked a "woman", but was really a man. I'd have to live with the fact that I UNKNOWINGLY had gay sex. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

As for the man I was led to believe was a woman and that I fucked, I don't want any hostility, so I'd let it go, but I'd be fucking mad for a while (nothing violent though).

On a side note I'm NOT JUSTIFYING hate crime here - attacking someone because you don't agree with their bodily presentation is unacceptable, but I'd call it a hate crime ONLY IF he was being targeted solely for presenting himself as a female. Even after-the-fact sex is still not a valid reason to commit violence, but in my eyes, it's sexual violence to present for a MtF trans to present himself as a female and not telling the other man that he is MtF.

If it were me, I'd feel incredibly sexually violated if a MtF trans wanted me to fuck him and he didn't tell me he was a man - I would have UNKNOWINGLY had sex with a man. TBH just typing that out makes me feel like I just got raped.
Well. It could be worse. But if your in between your not really either or. So you’d be in limbo. ?
 

Shroudedx

Tourist
Limbo is honestly worse..... not 100% one or the other, no eggs or sperm in a freezer for children later... not fun. I’d rather be an XY male who’s transitioning to female than my xx/xxy intersex self as atleast id have semen in storage to eventually have kids.
 
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