Anti-zoo laws getting worse (how to deal with them?)

Zoo50

Citizen of Zooville
I couldn't decide whether to post this in the "General" section or the "Zoo" section, but I decided to post it in the zoo section.

In the United States and elsewhere, the laws relating to zoo have gotten really bad over the past 12 years. There used to be around 25 U.S. states that did not ban sex with animals -- people could still be charged with "animal abuse" in those states, but the situation was better than it was now. The Humane Society of the United States has publicly stated they are on a crusade to ban sex with animals in all U.S. states -- and they are succeeding. Almost every year, at least one state bans sex with animals. In 2017, five states (Vermont, Nevada, Texas, New Hampshire and Ohio) all banned sex with animals at the same time. Now, as of 2019, 46 states have banned it. Kentucky made it a felony earlier this year.

Also, several U.S. states (such as California and Wisconsin) are trying to make their already-existing anti-zoo laws worse (for example, changing it from misdemeanor to felony).

Other countries have been banning sex with animals, notably in Europe, with only 3 EU member states having not banned sex with animals as of 2019. Several Mexican states have also banned it recently.

When are all these unjust laws going to stop? Has there been an attempt by anyone (or any organization) to fight these laws? Has anyone challenged these laws in the courts? There are a lot of logical issues with the laws that could be challenged (for example, one of the stated reasons for these laws, that animals can't "consent", is iffy because they can't "consent" to other legal things humans do to them, such slaughter, spaying/neutering, etc.)

It seems like no one is doing anything to fight these laws.

These laws are awful -- they mandate huge fines, long prison sentences, sex offender registration, prohibiting a person from owning animals again, etc. -- all unjust and discriminatory things to do to a zoo.

Update: as of November 2019, the following is a list of U.S. states that have made new anti-zoo laws since 2014: Alabama, New Jersey, Ohio, New Hampshire, Texas, Vermont, Nevada, Louisiana, Kentucky, Maryland, California, Wisconsin. So, in less than 5 years, 12 states made bans (or worsened existing bans). In addition, West Virginia and Hawaii have anti-zoo bills.
 
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I agree. It really saddens me when i hear a case of a women getting caught for having sex with a dog or such and facing multiple years in prison, sex offender status, and losing her beloved animal companion. There are far worse crimes that face far less penalty. It just does not make sense to me why the law is so harsh on this particular offense. When a girl gets down on all fours and a dog willingly goes to her and copulates with her that to me is "consent" of the dog. I think part of the reason no group is fighting these laws is because it is very easy for an opposing group to label the prozoos as perverted sickos. Hopefully someday the laws will reverse but does not look good right now.
 
Laws in regards to animals really piss me off some times. My business of sorts is lost abandoned and abused animals. As I have said many times all my dogs and virtually every dog I have ever been with have been dogs that people dump on my property or other wise on me because " Oh we got a dog for the kids now we don't want to take care of it cause you know living things need attention and shit" As it were I have gotten some in very pitiful shapes. One of my current dogs his name is Bones. I named him that because that is literally what he was when I found him laying at the edge of the road by my property, skin and Bones. So I brought him in nursed him back to health I also inquired to the police about investigating this disgusting act of animal abuse. "Well he could just be a stray so there is really nothing we can do....."There have been other instances were I have reported direct animal abuse and get all but ignored. But let me say that I am having sex with Bones and " well no missy that there is illegal" .... There are times when I have lost all faith and hope in humanity.
 
Laws in regards to animals really piss me off some times. My business of sorts is lost abandoned and abused animals. As I have said many times all my dogs and virtually every dog I have ever been with have been dogs that people dump on my property or other wise on me because " Oh we got a dog for the kids now we don't want to take care of it cause you know living things need attention and shit" As it were I have gotten some in very pitiful shapes. One of my current dogs his name is Bones. I named him that because that is literally what he was when I found him laying at the edge of the road by my property, skin and Bones. So I brought him in nursed him back to health I also inquired to the police about investigating this disgusting act of animal abuse. "Well he could just be a stray so there is really nothing we can do....."There have been other instances were I have reported direct animal abuse and get all but ignored. But let me say that I am having sex with Bones and " well no missy that there is illegal" .... There are times when I have lost all faith and hope in humanity.

I agree in terms of the law it a very hypocritical situation. I think it is great what you are doing for and with those dogs!
 
I agree. It really saddens me when i hear a case of a women getting caught for having sex with a dog or such and facing multiple years in prison, sex offender status, and losing her beloved animal companion. There are far worse crimes that face far less penalty. It just does not make sense to me why the law is so harsh on this particular offense. When a girl gets down on all fours and a dog willingly goes to her and copulates with her that to me is "consent" of the dog. I think part of the reason no group is fighting these laws is because it is very easy for an opposing group to label the prozoos as perverted sickos. Hopefully someday the laws will reverse but does not look good right now.
Once the law is in place it will probably remain in place. Considering there would have to be a lobby and petitions in order to have the law changed and as secretive as most of us are I can't see any of us out trying to have petitions signed.
I guess we have to be happy that we are able to talk freely about it without fear of prosecution.
Someday I would say that they will have laws against even having the short movies we have and they will be illegal to own just like child pornography is today.
 
Laws in regards to animals really piss me off some times. My business of sorts is lost abandoned and abused animals. As I have said many times all my dogs and virtually every dog I have ever been with have been dogs that people dump on my property or other wise on me because " Oh we got a dog for the kids now we don't want to take care of it cause you know living things need attention and shit" As it were I have gotten some in very pitiful shapes. One of my current dogs his name is Bones. I named him that because that is literally what he was when I found him laying at the edge of the road by my property, skin and Bones. So I brought him in nursed him back to health I also inquired to the police about investigating this disgusting act of animal abuse. "Well he could just be a stray so there is really nothing we can do....."There have been other instances were I have reported direct animal abuse and get all but ignored. But let me say that I am having sex with Bones and " well no missy that there is illegal" .... There are times when I have lost all faith and hope in humanity.
I'm with you there. I could see it if the animals involved were actually being abused. When I bend over and my dog jumps on and does his thing anyone watching could not deny the fact that the dog wanted to do what he did and was a willing participant and that there was no abuse of any kind.
This part may offend some but it has to be said; When it comes to a man penetrating a female animal the point of it being abuse is much easier to say. If the female animal were to back herself up and make contact and keep going for penetration that would show that the dog was a willing participant - but that does not happen when the sex is between a human male and a female animal. At least I have never seen any sex Human M/Female Animal where I could say that the animal was a willing participant, on the other hand when it comes to sex Human Female/Male Animal you always know the animal is willing.
That being said the Human Male/Animal Female sex that is giving the authorities the fuel to say it's animal abuse.
 
I apologize for my English, I am French and I use google translation to be able to communicate correctly.

In my opinion, we live in the age similar to the Middle Ages in the same way as homosexuals.
Worse, because one does not threaten death in civilized and developed countries.
In my country (France) people tend to put zoophilia on the same scale as pedophiles.
If I find it stupid and the problem with the protectors of the animals in the associations for the most pars, they are extremists and who are not open to the diaglogue.
They do a little witch hunt and their hatred comes from total ignorance of zoophilia and its principles.
They often confuse between zoophilia and bestiality.
I have often been told that bestiality is people who only use animals to satisfy their carnal needs.
While zoophilia, they treat her or his animals better and only use it to have sex.
There are still countries that still allow zoophilia such as Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary.
There is none like Finland for example too.
But society in general has already had regression but also progress, I think the laws that will promote zoophilia will probably come back in a few years.
In the meantime we each have 2 solutions, be kept as a secret that we are zoophilia (clearly tell anyone around him even if we do not trust) or moved to a country where zoophilia is allowed.
There is a 3rd solution but quite complex and difficult to implement.

For the oppositions to its anti-zoophilia law, I would say that it is quite complex, because those who will have to block or counter these proposals by far will have to assume that they are zoophilia and if the mentality in the country concerned, people tend not to be tolerant and that ingorance is great.
I do not give faith to be heard and understood.
And especially these people will be pointed fingers, seen as "monsters", perverse ect.
And it can have consequences on the privacy of its people if it is not protected.

But to do this fight, it will take a morale in reinforced concrete, because these people will be spitting in the face, insulted ect ect.

Moreover, it is necessary to know that zoophilia are not united either and little fight these law against us.
What I should do in my opinion is to create a morality among zoophilia.
For example, do not engage in sexual intercourse and / or sexual touching on baby animals.
Do not have sex with animals if the partner's body can not stand.
Example a man with a small dog like the poodle or even an elephant to a woman.
And I say it as an example.
Create a foundation, because the only thing that is done in zoophilia is forums to discuss, share videos of practice, stories of our first time ect ect.

I say we have a lot of work to do to be better considered.
But to put it in place, we need a leader with co-leaders to be able to fight at the international level.

It is true that animal welfare associations should review their moral codes.
Between an animal that is destined to be killed as a savage and an animal that at best is treated well and shows willing to sleep with his mistress or his master.
Finally I would not say master / mistress but partner to say that we treat animals as our equals.
 
Once the law is in place it will probably remain in place. Considering there would have to be a lobby and petitions in order to have the law changed and as secretive as most of us are I can't see any of us out trying to have petitions signed.
I guess we have to be happy that we are able to talk freely about it without fear of prosecution.

I wonder why people who have already been caught, or people who are already outed, do not advocate decriminalizing sex with animals. For example, a person who has already been caught by authorities could fight the charge in court, arguing that the law itself is unconstitutional -- but I never see this happen.

There is only one thing you can do that makes sense:

Hide accordingly.

That's what gays did for decades, and it meant decades of the status quo (gay sex banned by law) persisting.

Also, would writing an anonymous zoo blog count as "hiding"?
 
I have gone through this when Germany/Europe went from "completely legal" to "AHHMAGAAAD!" status.

There is nothing you can do, we did try all and everything. Your chance from the outset is the same chance an icecube stands in hell. And from there it only gets worse. Trust me, I have been through this. And potentially in the best or at least a better country to try all and everything than the US. We. did. try. everything.

Do yourself a favor - spare yourself the expense in time, money and motivation. Instead invest this to ironclad your life: Hide, be inconspicuous, use vpns, shred your paper-trash, encrypt every bit of data in your home, have a clean laptop and clean social media accounts as decoys, examine every item you have to whether or not -when they search your house- this could be a problematic item. Be extremely cautious whom you have as "zoo-friends" who know your name and address etc. If one of these is caught and "sells out" because they think they can "buy" something with that, what then? Don't give these friends much ID-related data in the first place, insist they don't write it down or store it in the cellphone, use burner email addresses etc (see compartmentalization). With everything you do, you have to be able to pull out with the remainder of you unharmed/untouched/not being implicated.
There have been people I did have a beer with on the basis of both of us being zoo, who went on to go to prison. -- have default decoy stories for the usual questions "oh, are you still a bachelor?" "Oh yeah well, I liked books more and later found I am actually asexual".

And if you are one of these paradise birds who said "oh I am out to everyone, it's legal here" then you are shit outta luck. We told you never ever to say anything to anyone, because some day the law can change and people then know you are "one of those". Do. not. tell. anyone.
 
There is nothing you can do, we did try all and everything. Your chance from the outset is the same chance an icecube stands in hell. And from there it only gets worse. Trust me, I have been through this. And potentially in the best or at least a better country to try all and everything than the US. We. did. try. everything.

I don't think the situation is "an icecube's chance in hell" (in terms of pro-zoo activism), but I will agree that the situation is pretty bad.

In the United States, in theory, anti-zoo laws could be challenged in court (for being discriminatory and unconstitutional).

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I still can't decide whether to make an (anonymous) zoo blog.

By the way, it sort of bothers me how a lot of zoos don't seem to care about the laws (they are complacent) -- as in, they are not alarmed at all, and even post photos of themselves having sex with an animal with their face visible in it.

Also, today the Wisconsin legislature made their anti-zoo law a felony (it has been a misdemeanor up until now). This means that, the anti-zoo movement is so active, that bans have been made since this thread was started.
 
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In the United States, in theory, anti-zoo laws could be challenged in court (for being discriminatory and unconstitutional).


Haha, ... and in Germany you actually CAN. And we DID. And the argument was really good that the law is inconsistent with the other body of law regarding animal use by humans, that the applied penalities are way out of proportion, that it is discriminatory, that the language used in the law is very very unprecise giving way to "whatever"-judgements, and that the reasoning presented in that law is unscientific and a bare-bones camouflage for "we want to make it illegal because we feel like that". They even use a term which in many other cases would be 'difficult' in Germany: "unnatural(!) behavior". But before you get the nazi-clobber, let me tell you: For a cost of 50k EURs just for being admitted to the first hearing at our highest (of all) courts to complain about the law, we were told that we are idiots to begin with and it is a nobrainer to decline the complaint without any more hearings or admitting the complaint to court.

And lose the idea "in the United States [something civilized]". I have lived in many countries and am reading volumes of news every day: The United States is alright, but not really the forefront of civilization in many points. It's a dangerous default to go to, although I know you guys are patriots even when you say you are not. In the UK they have a similiar internal delusion where they think they have the best of everything when statistics disagree.
 
with their face visible in it.

Ahaha... we are all fucked in the future with face recognition... like 5 years from now.

It's even worse, to be honest: Everyone is hacked by the NSA, if you apply all security tips, they don't have something positive on you, but you are majorly suspicious for being such a black hole of nothingness. That is like a negative of that positive of being guilty.

With meta-data analysis and clusters of farms of servers put to work, the governments around the world can make pretty much everyone a felon. In a way we are lucky that the big secret of most countries is: They don't even want to apprehend everyone who "did something". because that is too expensive and at some point everyone is in jail or guarding the bad guys. So law enforcement is focusing on the really bad stuff like murder etc.
 
And lose the idea "in the United States [something civilized]". I have lived in many countries and am reading volumes of news every day: The United States is alright, but not really the forefront of civilization in many points. It's a dangerous default to go to, although I know you guys are patriots even when you say you are not. In the UK they have a similar internal delusion where they think they have the best of everything when statistics disagree.

I actually started a thread in the "general" section (entitled, "Where should I go? (Leave the United States?)") -- and in that thread, most people are saying I should stay in the United States, even though the United States has the world's highest incarceration rate, public sex offender registries, and anti-zoo laws in nearly every state.
 
like I said they are some sickos love hurting gods pets just get thire rocks off. in way im happy may be they cache these sickos then other hand I fell bad us zoos who really loves our mates. then wonder why making the laws harder look no father thire are some on this form cry cry
 
When it comes to a man penetrating a female animal the point of it being abuse is much easier to say. If the female animal were to back herself up and make contact and keep going for penetration that would show that the dog was a willing participant - but that does not happen when the sex is between a human male and a female animal.

Mare, in this case, not dog. I had found a mare lover and was in search of another when this total stranger backed me into a fence, flipped up her tail, shoved her pussy into my face in insisted that I fuck her right then and there.

Who was the abuser?

It was her pasture, her space. I wish I could meet her again, all I needed was a little step. Not even a bale high.
 
A lot of people these days take pics or vids and while I do understand it I personally think it could be a big mistake if you ever get caught because it all could become evidence against you.
 
I wonder why people who have already been caught, or people who are already outed, do not advocate decriminalizing sex with animals. For example, a person who has already been caught by authorities could fight the charge in court, arguing that the law itself is unconstitutional -- but I never see this happen.

Becaues a routine part of getting hit with a felony conviction is revocation of voting rights, which cascades into no right to file petitions to get the law changed, etc, since to do so, most jurisdictions require that the person filing the petition be a registered voter.

Being outed is bad - no question. Being outed, then speaking up and trying to "fight the good fight for the cause" may not be *LEGALLY* the same as being charged, then getting convicted/pleading guilty, but operationally, there's no difference. It's one thing to have somebody say "Joe over there fucks his dog/goat/horse/giant wombat/whatever". It's another thing to have someone say that, then pop right up and start (effectively) hollering "Yeah, I do fuck my dog, and I think it ought to be legal! Come join me in fixing this unjust law!" DO that, and whether you've been found guilty or not, the result ends up the same: You and yours take it up the ass (and you know damn well I don't mean that in a good way)

Frankly, until and unless the law gets changed, I for one will never stand up and say "I'm an animal fucker". There's one main reason for that: *I* can fight back if an accusation is made against me. Whether by hiring a lawyer, or a hitman, or whatever, *I* can have my say, and have at least a chance, even if it's a poor one, of being cleared.

The animals in my care can't. I get accused, they almost certainly die. End of story. With that hanging over you, you learn real fast to keep your mouth shut and stay out of sight.

I'm betting, based on 30-ish years of observing online zoo/beasty folk, that you don't have any animals that look to you for their care. In other words, you "have no skin in the game". You can freely stand up and scream, dance, whatever, and the worst that can happen is you *might* go to jail for a while.

If *I* do that, the spotlight turns on me, and 20-odd animals get seized. Most, if not all of them, will *AT LEAST* be sexually mutilated (as in, their reproductive organs will be cut off or carved out, without any form of input or agreement from them) and if they aren't then "adopted" by someone else, they'll almost certainly be put to death.

So am I going to stand up and start hollering for "zoo rights"?

NOT A FUCKING CHANCE!

If "zoo rights" becomes the law of the land, y'know what's gonna change in how I live my life and have sex with my animal partners?

NOT A FUCKING THING!


I'm strongly reminded of the day after the election here in my current state when recreational marijuana use became legal - The local news crews were out interviewing people for the report on the victory. One of the clips that got *BIG* airplay was of a guy who was asked "So now that marijuana is legal, what's going to change?" His reply made me cringe - "I'm gonna go out and smoke so much weed they'll need an airplane to say hello to me for the next month!"

<shakes head sadly>

Am anti-weed? NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT!

Y'see, I've been a pot smoker since I was 16 or 17 - I can't say for sure which anymore, it's been so long. I'm currently coming up on being able to get the "senior citizen discount" in just a couple years. I've never - NOT EVEN ONCE - been so much as questioned about my pot use. Never arrested, never investigated, (that I know of, anyway) never even caught "provably stoned". Never been in a weed-involved car crash (in fact, in the only crash I've ever been in as the driver, I WAS TOTALLY STONE-COLD-STRAIGHT - There was a dry patch, and I'd been out of weed for most of three weeks!) Never had an injury where being stoned was even a minor factor. Never CAUSED an injury while stoned. Why not? When I've been smoking on a near-daily basis for most of 40 years, when I've bought and sold weed (in personal-use quantities only, to be fair - My biggest single buy was a half pound, and largest sale was an ounce at a time) for just as long, when I've grown my own weed many times over the years, how on earth could I go so long without ever having a weed-involved incident of any kind? Simple: EXACTLY like my sex life with animals, I do it intelligently. I don't walk up the front stairs of the cop-shop and roll a bomber joint, then fire it up and blow it at the cops coming through the doors. (Which I've actually watched one idiot do) I don't prance around screaming about how weed should be legal. I don't draw attention to the fact that I smoke pot. My friends who also toke know. Everybody else? It's a mystery. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. They don't ask, I don't tell, and everybody is fine and dandy. In short, I just use a little dab of this miracle product called "COMMON SENSE". And I get along just fine.
But for morons like that guy mentioned above, I feel that WEED SHOULD STILL BE ILLEGAL! Anybody THAT stupid to begin with doesn't need to be making himself any stupider!

My sex life is the same. Sure - I've had sex with dogs, horses, goats, sheep, cattle, llamas, alpacas, pigs, and two species of deer. And have been doing so since approximately age 8 or 9. PROVE IT. No, I take that back - don't PROVE it, just find *ONE SHRED* of verifiable evidence that I have. JUST ONE TINY SHRED.

Lemme save you some effort: You can look until hell freezes over, and you won't find any. Because my animal sex partners are all healthy, happy, well-adjusted, and most of all, WILLING participants. The only "restraint" on any of them has been with dogs - A male dog (usually) can't fuck me up the ass without knotting me, and while he's knotted, he's unable to "bail out" of the situation (at least, not without giving both of us some hurt) until he's finished. So in that specific case, yeah, the animal is restrained - by the physical fact that his penis is trapped inside my body until he completes the act. Aside from that, *EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL I HAVE EVER PUT MY PENIS IN* has had the option, at every moment of the encounter, to simply walk away - including during the time when my penis is actually inside their body - All they have to do is take a single step away, and the encounter is over. No restraints, no repercussions, no punishments, no "get back here", no nothing (although in honesty, there might well be a good deal of mental "Aw, shit, I was so close to finishing! Why'd you have to call it off NOW??? AUGH!!!!!!! Blue-balls express, here we come!) - It's that simple.

But since they can't speak english, every time I put my penis into one of them (or one of them puts my penis into herself - an example of which will follow in a moment), in the eyes of the law, it's rape. I'm forcing myself on them. Heh... Tell that to the mare this afternoon who did everything but pull down the hay bale so I could stand on it and slip inside her. She walked up to me, nibbled on my shoulder and down my arm to get my attention, then spun around and presented herself, exactly as she would have to a stallion: Tail up and tossed to the side, vulva winking, dribbling urine, squatting - the classic "mare in heat" presentation to a stallion that says "FUCK ME ALREADY!" as clearly as if she were speaking english through a bullhorn. So I did. I licked and suckled her clitoris, scratched the places she likes scratched (that I could reach from the position I was in) while I did so, and she simply stood there until I stopped. When I did she nearly knocked me over backing herself against my face until I had to push her away so I could breathe. Gotta give her credit - she was patient - She waited calmly while I went to get a hay bale, but once it was in place and I was standing on it, it only took her about 10 seconds to turn around and back into position so that I could aim my penis and wait for her to impale her vagina on it. Notice that I didn't stick my dick into her - she stuck herself onto my dick! Once she did, for several minutes, I stroked in and out of her, then, being the rapist male I am, I eventually reached orgasm, and pumped my semen inside her. During this whole process, she didn't have so much as a halter and lead rope on, we were standing in a barn that had 12 foot wide doors standing open at both ends to pasture she could have just as easily been out eating, and once I was inside her, aside from resting my hands on her rump to keep my balance, and my thighs bumping against her butt on the deep strokes, the only part of me that touched her was my penis, inside her vagina, exactly where HER ACTIONS had put it. If she had any objections, she certainly didn't show them - not when doing so didn't even require that she do so much as take a step - if she had even leaned forward more than slightly, my penis would have left her body, and that would have been the end of things. Yet she didn't. I wonder why not? Could it be that she LIKED what was going on? That she REQUESTED that it happen? No way... animals don't do that. They can't! A buttload of people, most of whom have probably never even petted a horse, know that's true, so it must be. I raped her. Just as sure as if I'd grabbed a woman off the street, put a gun to her head, and said "I'm gonna fuck you, bitch! And if you fight, I'm gonna shoot you!" before ripping her clothes off, forcing my dick into her, and blowing my load.

OK, so I'm a rapist... <sigh> How will I ever get over the guilt? That poor mare who was my victim never had a chance. (Never mind that she weighs 1200 pounds, wears steel shoes, and can decapitate a human with less effort than it would take that same human to scratch an itch on his nose...)

Ummm... Would you like me to upload a towel? Seems I spilled a little sarcasm there - probably ought to get it wiped up before somebody slips in it and hurts themselves...
 
I understand the need to hide. Still, if something isn't done to stop all these new anti-zoo laws, things will continue to get worse, and things will get even worse than they already are. There may even come a time when zoo websites can no longer exist, due to the pressure from anti-zoo laws.
 
The truth is that the whole western world is going through a serious conservative wave. Even left-leaning social circles are trending right on some micro-issues, such as animal sex.

Society has always gone through upheavals and periods where it was hard for some people to live.

As society grows jaded on mass social media, they are going to start shifting back over to more intimate means of social networking that allow for people to build up lasting, trusting friendships. The Strauss-Howe generational theory really helps explain it. Today's generation is really a lot like the Silent Generation. It is very oppressive. People are very conformist. Taboos and social image mean everything.

However, based on the Strauss-Howe theory, this also means that we are due a rebellion, and when the uprising starts to happen, then you better strike while the iron is hot. You are going to have people from all walks of life that are tired of living in a world of hypocrisy and repression, and they are going to want to try questioning everything.

In any case, society is more conformist, right now, than it has ever been since the Silent Generation. It has to play itself out, but remember, when the rebellion starts to happen, you had better be ready to strike while the iron is hot. A major shake-up is coming.

They don't happen on their own, though. That's the paradox of thinking in terms of sociological determinism. They happen when people start pointing out that society has become rigid and conformist and quite frankly fearful of change, and people finally start to see that there are stakeholders that are being hurt unnecessarily by the status quo. The silence is not going to break itself, but it ultimately must break.
 
I can’t see how the laws are going to change, I don’t think you’ll ever see protest marches and no politician is ever going to go to bat for us, not if he wants to get re-elected anyway
The only realistic thing we can do is hide
 
I can’t see how the laws are going to change, I don’t think you’ll ever see protest marches and no politician is ever going to go to bat for us, not if he wants to get re-elected anyway
The only realistic thing we can do is hide
We could win over local political leaders, and antizoo laws don't mean much if there is a police directive against enforcing them. It is a matter of starting small.
 
How are you going to win over local politicians ? The simple answer is that you won’t, not a chance in the world
However unfair they are nobody is going to raise their head above the parapet and commit political suicide
The only answer is to be discreet and if you have sex with your animal do it in the privacy of your own home and your safe
And if they do ban zoo porn it’s no great loss most of its staged crap anyway and it’s always available on the dark web
 
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We could win over local political leaders

Not a chance. Politics is about getting elected and thus catering to the widest mainstream, if you haven't noticed. The Overton window is against you here, peer group pressure, the morals the church implemented, group dynamics, the human bias to cling to the 'normal' and not wastemuch time to thinking, and the zeitgeist is against you, too. This topic is so toxic, not even researchers are frolicking in the largely juvenile field of exploring this phenomenon. Gays and the like are immediately of the purest happiness to throw us under the bus to show the 'normals' that they are 'with them'.
The gay rights movement cannot serve as an example. With them the church made the mistake to underestimate that 10 to 20% of people harbour gay/lesbian tendencies of various degrees and like 70 to 80% can get off to that porn or are at least not bothered by it. Hard to suppress such a group by size alone. We are like 0.1 to 0.01% of all people. Nobody cares. Being obscure is actually the best situation for us, instead of being added to the higher priority list of the FBI or have equestrian clubs promote to their members to screen for people like us.

Just stop, you are borderline delusional about this.
 
They are beyond borderline delusional, all the hand wringing and chest beating means nothing, what ya going to do if by some fantasy miracle the laws got revoked ? Take your dog/horse/pig etc out in public and tell people proudly “hey I’m a zoo “ are you hell so stop whining and just accept it and get on with it instead quoting meaningless arrests by idiots who don’t know hoed to spell discretion
 
We could win over local political leaders, and antizoo laws don't mean much if there is a police directive against enforcing them. It is a matter of starting small.
If the law doesn’t exist as you say how can police enforce it ? I really wish you hand wringers would come up with something constructive instead of airy fairy fantasy world you want us all to live in
 
Wow there is alot of shaming language and pessimism in this thread. Im greatly disappointed to see this many who dont think its possible.

I do think it is, and its just a matter of time before zoo becomes atleast unlegal. A non-crime like it is in germany, japan and chile so long as no harm is done to the animals.

People dont realize we won in germany, the courts there on the down low reaffirmed the statue of zoo being legal so long as no harm is being done.

*shakes head
 
My question again then , so what if it’s made legal ? Suddenly tell friends , workmates , family hey I have sex with an animal
 
My question again then , so what if it’s made legal ? Suddenly tell friends , workmates , family hey I have sex with an animal
Yeah! And ive been around zoos like that. Its refreshing and a beautiful thing. I would be willing to give my all to have that be everyday. Its worth it being open and starting real communities without worry of LEO.
 
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