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VPNs and "trust" ...

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TheMostRandomUsernameEver

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Well, I have read all over the place "use a VPN! use a VPN!"
And while I understand the concept of a VPN from a technical point, I have some issues understanding "why" I should trust a VPN more then my ISP.

A ISP gets money, gives you access to the internet and claim that they respect your privacy.
A VPN gets money, gives you access to the internet and claim that they respect your privacy.

I know that a VPN "encrypts" the traffic and will route it through different places to obfuscate it a bit, but in the end, it is basically the same as "just" using the ISP directly.

Eitherway you need to trust an organization that you cannot directly control.
So I don't get what the actual difference is?

If I use them, they will have my persoal info and my browsing info, so it comes down to that same end result, right?

I just don't get it ....
 
LeHamburger said:
Oof man if you don’t know the difference you definitely should not be on here if this is illegal in your country
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Like I said, I know the difference, from a technical point of view.

But both are just companies that claim "well, we DO protect your privacy!", no ways to verify anything or to know what they would do in a certain case ...
That's what I mean!
 
In some countries like mine, ISPs are required under surveillance laws to record your DNS look ups (basically which sites you visit) and keep them for so long (I think 2 years here). Using a VPN hides this from your ISP and record, but yes you have to trust the VPN providor doesn't keep logs, or you could use TOR.
 
Labraguy5 said:
In some countries like mine, ISPs are required under surveillance laws to record your DNS look ups (basically which sites you visit) and keep them for so long (I think 2 years here). Using a VPN hides this from your ISP and record, but yes you have to trust the VPN providor doesn't keep logs, or you could use TOR.
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Ah, OK, so it's like "choose the lesser of two evils", I got it!

I know about T0R but I don't wanna use it because THAT REALLY draws attention!
That just screams: "Oh, look I have something to hide! Maybe you should go through the logs to see what I did just before I started using T0R!"

I will get my own telephone/internet connection soon, I think I will use T0R "from the beginning" there, and use it for everything possible.
(Through a VPN)
Do you think that that is a good idea?

Does anybody have any VPNs they recommend?

Are there any VPNs that are "payable" in a non-traceable way? (Monthly "payment" with paysafe-cards or something like that?)
 
usually adding a VPN to tor isn't a good idea as it might even lessen your security.
And yes, a VPN has exactly those issues you described. But you can choose a VPN in another jurisdiction so you'd have to have a case in two legislations to force them to surrender your data.
 
TheMostRandomUsernameEver said:
Ah, OK, so it's like "choose the lesser of two evils", I got it!

I know about T0R but I don't wanna use it because THAT REALLY draws attention!
That just screams: "Oh, look I have something to hide! Maybe you should go through the logs to see what I did just before I started using T0R!"

I will get my own telephone/internet connection soon, I think I will use T0R "from the beginning" there, and use it for everything possible.
(Through a VPN)
Do you think that that is a good idea?

Does anybody have any VPNs they recommend?

Are there any VPNs that are "payable" in a non-traceable way? (Monthly "payment" with paysafe-cards or something like that?)
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Hello TheMostRandomUsernameEver - I read your post I get what your pointing out but it's like picking the lighter shade (grey) of the two evils you have to choose from. You can use tor to surf the internet but you will lose some functions while your at it (turning off java script) but as most sites are moving over to HTML 5 than java I think you should be set to go but you have to control what information you put out for the whole setup to work right to keep you anon. For a proxy/VPN browser service that works but with some work-around have you tried Oprea (browser) yet?

If you have firefox or software using it's code it's no far from the usage experience. It has a "private window feature" plus built in VPN you select your random location, pop up blocker & all the rest. Blue banner normal mode.... purple banner private mode + VPN mode selected safe as you going to be for a free product. Give it a try & if it suits you
 
subject117 said:
For a proxy/VPN browser service that works but with some work-around have you tried Oprea (browser) yet?
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Thanks for that suggestion, I will have a look at that!

And yeah, the best browser / vpn / whatever won't protect you from beeing stupid, obviously!
(like giving away real data, ...)

About "using a VPN in a different contry":
Ahh, I get it!
THAT is the benefit!

Thanks for all the responses, it really helped me!
 
You could use tor to access this web and then also something that is not illegal but still worth hiding. Like your german granny scat porn collection. :D And if someone asks, you disclose the lesser evil.
 
I suggest reading this and especially the 3 links I posted there regarding VPNs:

You guys should give linux tails a try if you haven't already

its better then a vpn and its free. took me like an hour to fully set it up and i have little to no computer knowladge. all you need is a flashdrive and it gives you unmatched security which is ofc important to me and i imagine most everyone else here
www.zoovilleforum.com www.zoovilleforum.com
 
for the paranoid there is a veracrypt hidden system - basically you install windows twice on a machine with a paranoid and a more paranoid encryption and you can give out the keys to the paranoid one of forced - the more paranoid one cannot be detected. But as with all security measures it's a big hazzle. You actually have to use the merely paranoid one to make it work for example. and the more paranoid one doesn't let you use unencrypted usb sticks or nin-hidden encrypted sticks
 
I would not use windows for anything even remotely illegal no matter how encrypted the drive is. :D
 
The problem with using linux is that people expect you do configure all that kinda stuff yourself, which means you have to know what you do XD And can't trust apple, they've become even worse than microsoft.
 
Ookami said:
The problem with using linux is that people expect you do configure all that kinda stuff yourself, which means you have to know what you do XD And can't trust apple, they've become even worse than microsoft.
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Yeah, I am a complete n00b at linux.
I was messing around with ubuntu a few years ago, but that's about my experience with it.
But I might try to set something like that up, just for fun / learning ...

Also, thanks for that link, really interesting stuff!
Yeah, like I said, a "VPN" is just another non-transparent company that does whatever they want!
As long as you can't physically go up to the routers/servers/whatever and take the drive that stores the logfiles and destroy it, you can't be sure that it doesn't get save "somewhere" ...
And as long as there is no consequence for the company (and their employees) from the "uers", they will share the logfiles when "asked to" by official agencies.
(I mean something like "dear people who run the ISP/VPN/whatever: if you screw up/give my data away, i will come after you!" But that doesn't work, sadly ...)
 
Ookami said:
for the paranoid there is a veracrypt hidden system - basically you install windows twice on a machine with a paranoid and a more paranoid encryption and you can give out the keys to the paranoid one of forced - the more paranoid one cannot be detected. But as with all security measures it's a big hazzle. You actually have to use the merely paranoid one to make it work for example. and the more paranoid one doesn't let you use unencrypted usb sticks or nin-hidden encrypted sticks
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Yeah, I knnow all about "local" or "offline" security, that isn't that complicated because you have actual access to everything.
Hell, PCs can be so small nowadays that you could literally have a "hiden system"!

And encrypedt backups on SD cards (lots of "fake ones" with 16GBs of just "screw you!" on them ;)) hidden everywhere imaginable.

Fun stuff!

What would be really cool to have is one of those industrial hydraulic press - things. Place all the computer stuff under there and if you get a visit from some "unwanted guests", all the harddrives and stuff will get crushed in a matter of seconds!

It can be fun to be paranoid ...
 
There is a much simpler solution. Do not have the evidence in the first place. I figured this out a few years ago. Porn even this porn is extremely easy to get online. Moreover I like yiff which is even easier to find. So do not store it locally. Run Tails or similar read only setup and only ineract with this stuff online through encrypted tor connection. Do not make porn or only take photos that are not considered to be porn. The only evidence then is that you do use tor. Which you are using for your german granny porn, remember?
Then even if you online zoo activities are discovered, you are not making porn and depending on your laws what you do might not be illegal at all.
 
pes said:
There is a much simpler solution. Do not have the evidence in the first place. I figured this out a few years ago. Porn even this porn is extremely easy to get online. Moreover I like yiff which is even easier to find. So do not store it locally. Run Tails or similar read only setup and only ineract with this stuff online through encrypted tor connection. Do not make porn or only take photos that are not considered to be porn. The only evidence then is that you do use tor. Which you are using for your german granny porn, remember?
Then even if you online zoo activities are discovered, you are not making porn and depending on your laws what you do might not be illegal at all.
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Well, I don't like to rely on the fact that an internet connection is always going to be available!
And stuff on the internet is subject to change. It might be there one day and gone a week later (for whatever reasons).
That's why I download everything that I like or think is useful.
Because it has happended to me a few times that things I liked are suddenly gone, with no explaination.
Even on sites like YouTube!
Sites go down, uploaders decide to delete their uploads for personal reasons, whatever ...
Once it is gone, it is gone!
So I save everything I can to work around this "issue".

And I like to be as "independent" from the internet as possible.
I know that that is really hard these days but it is possible.
I very rarely order stuff online or use services like Netflix.
Hell, I don't even own a "smarphone".
And I only have one PC that is connected to the internet.
All my other systems are offline, no WiFi, nothing.


And no, I am not making any "content" myself.
(I am not into this stuff in "real life", it's all just a "fantasy" for me. And I have no intentions to ever actually "act out" those fantasys!)
 
is express VPN worth anything? it came with my laptop which is high end so VPN built in, though i dont want to pay for it if its not worth a damn
 
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