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Telegram usage???

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I'm noticing alot of videos with watermarks for Telegram and a number of folks on discord want to link up via telegram.

To my recollection, downloading the app required my personal phone number and additional info the feel foolish to disclose.

Am I just paranoid? Are y'all using burner phones? Whats happening, am I too old and behind the times on tech?
 
the phone number is only used for initial sign up verification , then you can turn it off , .
if you dont wanna use your phone, download a burner number app

other notes...

and yes its fine to use, i suggest everyone read the actual privacy stuff, and not just choose things based off what they hear on the internet

( this will pop up when ever someone mentions tele lol, just dont like uninformed decisions)

they are offering $300k for anyone who can prove that messages are accessible via anywhere on the server, other than where user accounts are logged in.

yes there are more secure apps, if talking is all you wanna do signal or session etc is fine. but for any sort of content tele is it, longest running so user base is estableshed and nobody is moving all thier stuff lol
 
the phone number is only used for initial sign up verification , then you can turn it off , .
if you dont wanna use your phone, download a burner number app

other notes...

and yes its fine to use, i suggest everyone read the actual privacy stuff, and not just choose things based off what they hear on the internet

( this will pop up when ever someone mentions tele lol, just dont like uninformed decisions)

they are offering $300k for anyone who can prove that messages are accessible via anywhere on the server, other than where user accounts are logged in.

yes there are more secure apps, if talking is all you wanna do signal or session etc is fine. but for any sort of content tele is it, longest running so user base is estableshed and nobody is moving all thier stuff lol
Thats so good intel
 
I'm noticing alot of videos with watermarks for Telegram and a number of folks on discord want to link up via telegram.

To my recollection, downloading the app required my personal phone number and additional info the feel foolish to disclose.

Am I just paranoid? Are y'all using burner phones? Whats happening, am I too old and behind the times on tech?
Telegram can decrypt your messages, their group chats are not end to end encrypted and they do work with law enforcement.
Read up on their recent history.

If you see videos with contacts in them on this forum, report them, thanks. We do not allow that.
Discord is an even worse choice for privacy by the way.
 
I personally wouldn’t go anywhere near Telegram due to the reasons pes mentions.

The group chats not being end to end encrypted leaves it fairly open to hackers IMO and if law enforcement are digging around those chats I’m guessing it wouldn’t be hard for them to hack that either..
 
Can you cite the telegram able to decrypt messages? My understanding was they’re only able to report IP addresses for law enforcement.
 
Can you cite the telegram able to decrypt messages? My understanding was they’re only able to report IP addresses for law enforcement.
The chats are server side encrypted. The servers belong to telegram.
I have not used telegram for a while.
Does it have a report button for messages? If it does, then that is one way they can definitely decrypt and read the message, which would be applicable to more than one message easily.
 
Telegram's CEO was recently pressured into letting the law enforcement in and they gave in.

Find more articles about it, look up explanations on youtube, including their homebrew encryption.
Make your own opinion on it and then decide whether you want to use it.
You are going to find information from both sides and whether you use it or not depends on what you find to be a problem or not.
 
There’s no report button I know of. Yes they can get some data and if you’re talking to an officer of course they can make full copies of everything you say with the simple method of taking pictures of the phones screen. But the safest I know is auto deleting private (encrypted) telegram chats. Kik and others are fully integrated into law enforcement.

But at the same time, they really don’t care about zoo. They care about the other things which it appears a lot of zoos take part in which are forbidden on this site.
 
And this is what leads me to one of my hard limits.. no ... not for me . It's odd to me when people don't want to chat on the Forum but they insist on using external apps such as Telegram or kick or whatever. What's wrong with just using this particular site to chat? Is it because it's inconvenient?
 
Well for me it's like the difference between befriending someone at the public library versus someone at the local Rave Club. Ultimately your fate resides with the individual not necessarily the venue. But there's a whole lot more assholes at one of those locations. And you can probably make that distinction on your own
 
And this is what leads me to one of my hard limits.. no ... not for me . It's odd to me when people don't want to chat on the Forum but they insist on using external apps such as Telegram or kick or whatever. What's wrong with just using this particular site to chat? Is it because it's inconvenient?
Yes. I don’t get alerts and I don’t know who’s reading my messages. So if me and whomever I’m talking to click, I will offer to move the discussion to TG. There I get alerts whenever a message arrives and can carry on more detailed and fluid conversation. Here, you go to multi page chats after a short conversation. I’m happy to talk here if that’s the best option but I prefer to use tg for more detailed fluid conversation.
 
What's everybody's opinion on our server from element? Obviously the mod team wouldn't have signed off on it if it wasn't reasonably secure.
 
What's everybody's opinion on our server from element? Obviously the mod team wouldn't have signed off on it if it wasn't reasonably secure.
I poke around real quick. When it was clear it was going to take some mental effort to learn the ins and outs, I dipped and said I'll get back to that later.
 
I poke around real quick. When it was clear it was going to take some mental effort to learn the ins and outs, I dipped and said I'll get back to that later.
hahahaha that's fair. I don't get the social structure. But as far as pms go , it's pretty convenient. I like that there is no way to recover your account so if you forget your login it's gone
 
What's wrong with just using this particular site to chat? Is it because it's inconvenient?
Because it's not safer. You decide which version and which client you use, not the server operator and their laziness. Because they can talk about anything "more freely", not every thread has 4-5 idiot members, trolls, flamers.
This forum has become quite the echo chamber and is rightly called BF2.
And the simplest thing is to chat on a chat platform, not a forum. The two platforms are used for completely different purposes.
 
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I use it, primarily cause I'm a furry. I don't share any explicit stuff over there other than my own nudes and everything else is on wire
 
the phone number is only used for initial sign up verification , then you can turn it off , .
Incorrect. It will remain in their records and be tied to your account.

if you dont wanna use your phone, download a burner number app
Yes
other notes...

and yes its fine to use, i suggest everyone read the actual privacy stuff, and not just choose things based off what they hear on the internet
Incorrect. Telegram is more of a chatting platform than it is a secure messaging app. They use their own protocol that hasn't been audited, and they even store the decryption key for your messages on their server. If you want security, use Signal. Honestly just don't have conversations you want for your eyes only on telegram. Research the Durov arrest.

they are offering $300k for anyone who can prove that messages are accessible via anywhere on the server, other than where user accounts are logged in.
That only means it’s difficult for people they aren’t compelled by law to capitulate to, like legal agencies. It definitely does NOT mean they don’t store your info and private keys to supply to legal entities.

yes there are more secure apps,
So use those.

if talking is all you wanna do signal or session etc is fine. but for any sort of content tele is it,
You can send whatever you want on either.
longest running
So what? That isn’t indicative of privacy.
so user base is estableshed
So what? That isn’t indicative of privacy.
and nobody is moving all thier stuff lol
So what? That isn’t indicative of privacy.

Stupid people often continue doing stupid things. Especially en masse.
 
Incorrect. Telegram is more of a chatting platform than it is a secure messaging app. They use their own protocol that hasn't been audited, and they even store the decryption key for your messages on their server. If you want security, use Signal. Honestly just don't have conversations you want for your eyes only on telegram. Research the Durov arrest.
like i said , i suggest people read the latest TOS and privacy policy. as of last year a lot of things have changed in a good way.

most strict terms are primarily for EU, even then its not much
they really are primally focused on CSAM users, and Terrorism.

unless your posting public stories daily about your zoo life, nobody will ever care to notice. its also all AI based, and pretty limited to the search function . i literally just reread thru the TOS and PA.
That only means it’s difficult for people they aren’t compelled by law to capitulate to, like legal agencies. It definitely does NOT mean they don’t store your info and private keys to supply to legal entities.

also depends what chat your using, secret chats are E2E so the is zero server storage, only access and keys are on the users device and only that origination device....if i start a chat on my phone, it doesnt show on my pc since there is no server access key

Q: Do you process data requests?​

Secret chats use end-to-end encryption, thanks to which we don't have any data to disclose.

To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data.

Thanks to this structure, we can ensure that no single government or block of like-minded countries can intrude on people's privacy and freedom of expression. Telegram can be forced to give up data only if an issue is grave and universal enough to pass the scrutiny of several different legal systems around the world.

To this day, we have disclosed 0 bytes of user messages to third parties, including governments.


No governments going to the effort spend to collab together so they can catch bob and sue having dog sex, not worth time or expense
 
they even store the decryption key for your messages on their server.
not exactly read ..
If you want security, use Signal. Honestly just don't have conversations you want for your eyes only on telegram.
signal uses the same level of encryption its just the only kind it has , where has tele has two,
Research the Durov arrest.
old news, things have changed since, like i said read tos and privacy instead of bad info from the net ..
That only means it’s difficult for people they aren’t compelled by law to capitulate to, like legal agencies. It definitely does NOT mean they don’t store your info and private keys to supply to legal entities.
signal flat out says they work with law enforcement
You can send whatever you want on either.
sessions interface is horrid and limits content size
So what? That isn’t indicative of privacy.

So what? That isn’t indicative of privacy.

So what? That isn’t indicative of privacy.
not privacy, but ability to join groups and things easily
Stupid people often continue doing stupid things. Especially en masse.
you mean, like putting something down when you haven't read the most current direct info, only 7 yr news?
 
What's everybody's opinion on our server from element? Obviously the mod team wouldn't have signed off on it if it wasn't reasonably secure.
I'm there daily and have been for a while. It's not everyone's cup of tea of course. A lot of the rooms have little to no traffic, excluding the barn. Even the barn is typical dead from midnight until 3-4 in the morning. (my time) If you're looking for porn or hookups/meetups you'll likely be disappointed. That being said, I did meet my first IRL zoo through there. In general it's a micro-version of the forum with the community being A LOT smaller and WAY LESS porn/sex oriented.

Honestly they're a lot alike but with some differences security wise.

Both offer E2EE but it's automatically enabled for Element in DMs but not telegram. While it's only offered in DMs on telegram, that's almost a moot point considering only a few public rooms use it in Element.

I've heard telegram has limitations on certain functions/features being device specific and EE2E not being available for group chats.

I know Matrix (Element) has their open standard for E2EE that's based on Olm and Megolm & cryptographic ratchets, and Telegram has their own MTProto but I don't know how well it compares.

Element is open source while telegram's client apps are open-source, however the server-side code isn't.

Neither one protects Metadata so you still have to be careful with that.

Can't confirm much else as I have...let me check...2 messages from "Deleted Account" on Telegram and no other chats. I don't use it.
In contrast I am in 17 rooms and have about 20 open DMs on element.
 
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