Wonder what owners want?

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I've noticed that there are way more lurkers and casual fans of zoo than owners and so that just raises the question for me personally anyway. What do owners typically want when they meet with others? I've seen some owners exclusively go for other owners as a sort of transactional relationship, while others seem rather disinterested in sharing altogether.

I understand trust is a huge component in this community but there's probably a lot more that goes into it like compatibility, or just the exhaustion of being hounded by legions of people who want to have their first experience. I'd imagine it becomes annoying even to deal with so many people. The closest thing I can compare it to is probably women on dating apps?

Anyway, I'd like this to be the start of a discussion! Perhaps this can help owners voice their opinions and general consensus on new zoos and for new zoos to figure out the dos and don'ts of approaching owners. Though I am sure the first step for new zoos would be to engage in conversation rather than just "Lemme fuk"

(I hope I am posting in the right area for this!)
 
I've seen some owners exclusively go for other owners as a sort of transactional relationship, while others seem rather disinterested in sharing altogether.
I find this quite fascinating.
I have a dog, I love my dog and the absolutely last thing I want is to put the one animal I love in danger.
Why do you think I should be sharing my dog with someone just because they want their first time?
Owning a dog does not mean you are obliged to share your animal. Get your own dog and you will understand that.

The one most amusing thing is a lurker with 1 singular post in the personal ads section asking me to give the one animal I raised from a puppy and built a relationship with to him so he can fuck it.
No, go fuck yourself.

If I let someone have sex with my dog, it is a good friend who I can trust and not some internet nobody from an anonymous illegal porn forum whose whole effort put into it is "give me your dog to fuck".
 
I find this quite fascinating.
I have a dog, I love my dog and the absolutely last thing I want is to put the one animal I love in danger.
Why do you think I should be sharing my dog with someone just because they want their first time?
Owning a dog does not mean you are obliged to share your animal. Get your own dog and you will understand that.
This is just from my point of view. I'm not saying people are obligated to share. I'm just curious what goes through the minds of owners, and this is quite enlightening already! The animal is your family and you don't want to just hand them out willy nilly to strangers online.
The one most amusing thing is a lurker with 1 singular post in the personal ads section asking me to give the one animal I raised from a puppy and built a relationship with to him so he can fuck it.
No, go fuck yourself.

If I let someone have sex with my dog, it is a good friend who I can trust and not some internet nobody from an anonymous illegal porn forum whose whole effort put into it is "give me your dog to fuck".
So trust is a huge factor, and I take it that you dislike the anonymous people online. Granted, I agree with you on not trusting the guy with just 1 post that says "Lemme fuk" on a site like this, dedicated to something pretty illegal in most of the world.

But what you've said is already pretty enlightening by itself. I don't have the full picture, just my point of view currently. All I have to work off of are guesses and knowing that you dislike sharing with pretty much anyone you don't know seems pretty obvious, but I feel like a lot of lurkers need to hear things like this. They probably need to know they can't just barge into the dm's asking for "some fuk".
 
Not entirely unfortunately. Have a look into the ads section. There are people who will sell you sex with their dog, exchange it for sex with you or who do not care at all.
Most of the time you will see people prostituting animals for obviously women. Because they want to watch a women having sex with an animal in front of them.
In my opinion those people do not have the right to call themselves zoos.
My attitude is different because I am a zoophile.
 
Not entirely unfortunately. Have a look into the ads section. There are people who will sell you sex with their dog, exchange it for sex with you or who do not care at all.
Most of the time you will see people prostituting animals for obviously women. Because they want to watch a women having sex with an animal in front of them.
In my opinion those people do not have the right to call themselves zoos.
My attitude is different because I am a zoophile.
Yeah that feeds into my view of a lot of personals being transactional. I have seen what you're talking about. A surprising amount of guys using their animal companions as a ticket to pussy or something. It's quite disheartening but at that point, I agree that they aren't really zoophiles. Just someone who uses zoophilic content to try and get what they want.

I've also seen posts where people try to trade experiences. Fuck my dog and I get to fuck your horse or whatever. At that point, it's a fetish, trying to collect tally marks on how many experiences they've had, at least in my mind.

At the end of the day though, it's not my place to judge how people approach the content. I go about it my way and I'm happy for it.
 
Hm, as I don't share my dog with any stranger, I'd say as an owner I'd like to meet other to go hikin or for a walk. So in this form I'd look mostly look for someone who is interested in a friendship. And when I (and my gf) trust someone, there is a chance that he can have a nice time with my dog, as some good friends of me already had :)
 
Hm, as I don't share my dog with any stranger, I'd say as an owner I'd like to meet other to go hikin or for a walk. So in this form I'd look mostly look for someone who is interested in a friendship. And when I (and my gf) trust someone, there is a chance that he can have a nice time with my dog, as some good friends of me already had :)
That is basically my philosophy.
 
That is basically my philosophy.
Yeah I think that's one of the best way of handing it as a owner.

And I also only wat to meet other owner, when I have a good feeling with him and think I can trust him and there can be a friendship. If I think this won't happen I'm also not really interested in meetin an other owner

(even when I could get his okay in having fun with his boy, it's more important that I like the owner and that there is a friendship)
 
And I also only wat to meet other owner
I am not against meeting people who are zoophiles but do not have an animal yet as long as they are compatible with my thinking. I used to be in this situation as well before I got my own dog. And when the person is not pushing the idea of fucking your dog all the time and understand that it is more complicated, it is ok.
 
Strangely I do not actually suffer from that much anymore. :D
I guess my reputation precedes me. :D
The staff batch possibly stops a certain %.
Marelover may say it does not work that much, but, hey. It will.only stop those who still have a couple of working neurons 🤣

About the post.
For sure. You want something? First becsure the other party is open to selling, then... you might need to offer something worthy in exchange and look reliable enough to keep the agreement.

Advantage of meeting another owner? Easy. They have an animal, they possibly know something about dealing and understanding them. Even someone who is open to letting others be with his animals will better not leave them alone with a dreamer who thinks they are a Disney character or just a fuck machine with a switch.

Also... you can read their animal reactions when they interact and have a good idea of how well or not they care 😉
 
I've not had to deal with anyone asking me lately, the fact that I disabled PMs long ago might have something to do with that 😆

But honestly I don't expect anything from those I've actually shared with, long time friends are the only people I'll allow anyway and then it's still up to them (my animal companions) if they want to or not.
 
There is also those of us on another plane entirely: we who own farms and need a ranch hand to help keep up with all the chores. I've done it alone for close to a decade now, and only lately have I begun learning a hard lesson that this will be unsustainable if I keep on the way I'm going. From clearing and fencing acreage, to pouring concrete and welding, to framing and roofing a house, to bottle feeding calves and raising up a pack of dogs, I've come a lot further in the last several years than most people ever could've gotten -- and I've done it entirely alone. An army of one. I'm often inundated with projects, things to build/fix out here plus farm chores on top of those. It'd be awful nice to strap on tools with a fellow handy zoo. Its tough working a job and one-manning a farm alone. Hell, its tough making ribald sex jokes all day to just the dogs or the wall I'm framing, har har. I should've started this place with someone years back instead of going it alone all this time. Nowadays I'd love to meet a friend good with his hands and with a construction background of his own, as a farm is no shortage of things needing attention. Living out here, owning land and animals, its a work/life balance all its own. Failing that, even just somebody with an aptitude for it, minus the tools and experience. Somebody interested in trades, who can follow along and learn what I can teach.

Unlikely as it is that I'll ever find that zoo, I'd take a tenant for the apartment I'm renovating half my house into. I'll be on the hunt for that sometime next year as well.

Agreed strongly with Pes, the men who use dogs as a means to a woman's pussy (and never have their own sex, with their own dogs) have no business calling themselves zoos. That shoe doesn't fit their foot. And I feel obligated to put this in, as Rexandme & Co often touch on this but haven't fully articulated it here (likely because they've already had to expound on it 100x elsewhere) : one recurring thorn we're irked by in the non-owner population is the perception that y'all have shirked the responsibilities of having an animal but still want to enjoy the fruits of it. To us, this comes off as nonowners wanting to have their cake and eat it too. A nonowner who finds someone willing to share, in effect, gets a windfall; all the perks without any of the drawbacks. If we share, you get casual relations with someone else's animal without having made the sacrifices, commitments, borne the struggles of ownership on your own. You get off free in so many ways, while we pay in risk and all the aforementioned to make (and keep) our ownerships reality. A nonowner has a fling and goes home back to his cozy fun carefree city life after a romp in the country with us and ours, while we're holding the bag, keeping up all the work that it takes to have this. That kind of easy-come, easy-go rubs a lot of us wrong. Nothing rankles an owner faster than the thirsty folks wanting something for nothing with an animal we're emotionally, financially, sacrificially invested in, a partner we wrapped and entwined our very lives with. Its simply not something you can understand til you've done it, like we have.

That said, it ain't all doom and gloom either. The thing can be done right, too. Friends can be made in good faith and in the correct way, as certain lines of yours read when I read between 'em. You're in the right headspace, or a better one than most anyway. You're open-minded in your approach and asking the right kind of question, thinking in some of the right ways. I used to host public, purely platonic M&Gs in Austin in the BF years, and I will again eventually. We'd go out for lunch or dinner as a small group and try to meet people we meshed well with. M&Gs (at least mine) were emphatically NOT about sex, period. I don't do swinger hookups or dog swaps or whatever the hell. That ain't me. I came up in this all the way back to the pre-BF era when it was Midnitecrow PLF and Bianca. Call me a greymuzzle, I've been around a long time. I've watched the empires rise and fall. I went off and did my own thing, got where I am alone. Now I'm on a search to make a genuine connection with a small group, close-knit, the way it used to be in the 90s back before BF, Snakething and the leaks, and all that nonsense.

M&Gs aren't about finding dogs to swap. They're about safely being social and rubbing elbows in a normal way with our own brethren. I've met a handful of zoos irl, and will continue taking the risk in sensible ways according to my system of best practices, because I'm ever-deterimined as some of you are to establish real community. But I didn't own land at the time, just had foster dogs (yes I moonlight in shelter work), and many of my attendees didn't own either, so sharing animals didn't even come up in our M&Gs. I'm still not sure how and when exactly I'll broach the sharing of mine now, but I posit that sharing isn't out of the question for someone who puts the time in becoming a good friend of yours, entirely on its own merit outside and beyond zoophilia. Sharing between two people who've invested in becoming good, close-knit friends by the more old-fashioned tried & true ways, like those described above, ie. having commonality, spending time working and playing (nonsexually) together, yes, it can be done. A real friend goes a long way bridging that gap between an owner and a non. Don't count on it, and it won't happen often. But it can flourish when the conditions are right between people who found friendship first, aligned the gears and meshed well in life off the forums.

So be prepared to factor in ordinary human commonality and compatibility, too. That's what all those thirsty throngs completely skip over. It looks as though it never even occurs to them to find a normal friend here first. Some need a refresher that the pool of potential friends is tiny. There aren't many of us the world over, so the chances two people who happen to be zoos will have anything else in common are that much slimmer. Zoos thrown together may find they have nothing else in common outside zoophilia, and a friendship cannot sustain on zoophilia alone. It goes nowhere, just peters out without ever having gotten off the ground. That one happens all the time. The two people have to like some of the same things, share some of the same background and life experiences. We each need some overlap outside of this to make a friend. That's where it begins.

So us owners can be looking for all sorts of things, but one thing is certain to all: trust is crucial. Being able to trust someone with your life, your life's work, your animal's lives, all of it -- the two of you are, in effect, putting your lives in each other's hands. Trust is key, and its no small thing to earn. So of course, yes, we tend to more readily trust fellow owners, for reasons that should be obvious: they've made the same sacrifices, same commitments, have everything of equal value to be lost. They bring the same thing to the table -- and it ain't just another knot to tie or mare pussy to eat: its two owners being able to approach on the same plane. We know all that zoophilia is, and all that it isn't. We're putting up the same collateral, taking the same plunge into a risk pool with our own kind. That isn't an understanding the non-owners can have. They haven't walked in the shoes yet, so they're not capable of approaching us on an equal plane.

Closing, my advice is to concentrate on making friends in the usual way first. A good first and second step are posting and PMs, respectively. Having a post history gives us an understanding who's who. Striking up threads with people in PMs is a great way to advance to the next step and delve into a person you find interesting, get to know each other. To explore the other's mind, to ask questions we're reluctant to on the public forum, to really understand who's at the other end. When you can walk away from that with the warm fuzzies, it progresses to M&Gs or 1:1 meetings irl. And with commonality and trust, friendship follows. There are no shortcuts. Or none safe and worth taking.
 
When I was an owner and was starting to get into more than just licks, it was really exciting sharing the experience with the few friends I knew had an interest.

I wasn't doing it to get laid as I was already fucking the two women and had no interest in fucking my male beast buddy. It was more about indulging in the opportunity, giving in to desires they, myself and seemingly 70% of this forum developed early on.

I can't say what motivates others but for me I've always been a freak and sharing pets with a few friends was a wonderful way to bond.
 
Well some would just like someone to connect to and talk about this stuff with, others might want a partner that lets them continue their zoo lifestyle, there are some who just want to see their pets fucking or getting fucked. Me personally, ideally I'd like someone who's also into it and we could both play with our pet/s together
 
What do I want? Just friendship. I'm an exclusive, so I'm not interested in the human and I'm not trying to get a hookup for my dog.
Trust is important, but since I don't meet others for hookups it's not quite as critical since there are no crimes being commited.

What can someone do to gain access to my dogs?
At minimum they'd have to be someone I trusted, not the kind of trust needed for a criminal enterprise, but the kind of trust needed to put my own well being into their hands, because my partner means a lot to me and my happiness.
They would need to demonstrate that they're the kind of person who treats a dog like the individual they are and puts their well being above everything else. They would also need to convince the dog that they're worth her time. That would be a good start for me to consider it.
 
Closing, my advice is to concentrate on making friends in the usual way first. A good first and second step are posting and PMs, respectively. Having a post history gives us an understanding who's who. Striking up threads with people in PMs is a great way to advance to the next step and delve into a person you find interesting, get to know each other. To explore the other's mind, to ask questions we're reluctant to on the public forum, to really understand who's at the other end. When you can walk away from that with the warm fuzzies, it progresses to M&Gs or 1:1 meetings irl. And with commonality and trust, friendship follows. There are no shortcuts. Or none safe and worth taking.
Gonna shorten the post down just for my response. I'm sorry to hear you're struggling to keep up with the duties of taking care of a personal ranch alone. I would have assumed eager zoos who want to get hands on experience for becoming owners later would have at least dropped by and volunteered for a spell but it doesn't sound like the case. I know I certainly would be interested in learning as I pretty much have zero knowledge about how to care for any large animals properly, but that's a little off topic on my end.

It is quite enlightening to hear these viewpoints and it does sound like a no brainier to actually like the person you're talking to before anything can even happen. Trust is a slow plant that takes a lot of patience and care to grow properly and I do see the frustration of people trying to skip that for something easier and faster. I understand that frustration myself as well and have been guilty of wanting to take shortcuts from time to time.
 
Not entirely unfortunately. Have a look into the ads section. There are people who will sell you sex with their dog, exchange it for sex with you or who do not care at all.
Most of the time you will see people prostituting animals for obviously women. Because they want to watch a women having sex with an animal in front of them.
In my opinion those people do not have the right to call themselves zoos.
My attitude is different because I am a zoophile.
I agree completely with this statement completely. The people who prostitute their dogs out are not zoos at all. They see animals as tools. Its fucking disgusting. This gives makes us real Zoos look bad
 
Personally I don't mind sharing my dog with a friend. He is my responsibility tho and my best friend. I won't just lend him out to people. Only folks I trust completely and have formed a friendship with have been intimate with him. And a relationship cannot be built on sex. My dog is my life. All my decisions in life involve him. Where I work, where I travel, who I hangout with. My dog will always come before someone else. It's called love. His health and happiness is what matters to me, not someone else's need to bust a nut
 
My sharing requirements are different for my horses and my dog.

My dog is my friend which i am not active with except the odd hand job or blow job if hes really horny and the mood takes me. I would be happy to find a woman for him to fuck, if he wants to and would be happy not to be involved. My relationship with my dog is more like good mates than lovers.

The horses on the other hand, i would want to find someone interested in them and in me. So we could enjoy the experience together.
 
The one most amusing thing is a lurker with 1 singular post in the personal ads section asking me to give the one animal I raised from a puppy and built a relationship with to him so he can fuck it.
No, go fuck yourself.
+1
Except that I wouldn't even let my best friend have sex with my dog. Never.
 
I was on Petlovers, then Beastforum, now here. The atmosphere seems to have gotten progressively less toxic over the years.

As an owner, I can easily say what I don't want: Rudeness, selfishness and treating my animal as an object. I expect that's fairly universal.

Beyond that, I suggest that you spend the time to develop relationships.
 
Farm life for sure has its challenges. Grew up on a race farm breeding Thorobreds. Never considered anything zoo related until much later in life.
 
I feel there is a misconception that we all want to meet other zoos from here in IRL...

I don't want to meet a majority of the people I've talked to here IRL due to just generally weird and creepy behavior.

I joined to talk with other zoos, rp, have fun, and maybe make an actual friend or two.

But it's a misconception to assume we want to meet just because we're owners and also here.



I have slept with more zoos I found IRL than online by being a general freak, hooking up with girls from uni/bars. I'd RP with people and converse about zoo stuff here on the forum; but I just don't believe I'll be meeting anyone.
 
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