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pab665

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I was just wanting to write a post to promote and brainstorm good vaginal health along with dog sex.

Key takeaways are possibly using a menstrual cup to keep the ejaculate inside the vagina after sex, using vaginal Lactobacillus suppositories, and test strips to monitor vaginal pH to coordinate the best times for dog sex.

So I know most women can have sex with a dog without any problems, I was just thinking about how to promote good vaginal pH. Acidic vaginal pH is important for keeping the kind of healthy bacteria needed in the vagina and warding off the unhealthy bacteria. Vaginal acidic pH is promoted by Lactobacillus bacteria in the vagina and chemicals made by glands in the vagina. Dog sperm like human sperm is basic and would make the vagina less acidic. Human sperm is usually just 1-3 ml but a full dog cum load including post-sperm ejaculate is up to 100ml. If the dog cum load leaks out of the vagina it will take away all the good Lactobacillus bacteria and the chemicals made by the vagina to keep the pH acidic. This is different from human sperm which although is more basic doesn't often leak out as much since it's more viscous.

Many women say they try to keep the full cum load inside them but I don't see how that's possible. Usually at least some or most of the cum splashes out when the knot comes out. With a big dog knotting for 10-15 minutes I have seen it gush out like a fountain, and that's got to be easily 150-200ml or the equivalent of a small douche.
 
pab665 said:
full dog cum load including post-sperm ejaculate is up to 100ml
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Yeah, well not really. More like 30ml. 100ml might be reserved to extra large breeds, and that is maybe.
pab665 said:
I have seen it gush out like a fountain, and that's got to be easily 150-200ml
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That is lube, cum and vaginal fluids combined and it is hardly 150ml. It just looks like it because it is a splash.

The advice to keep the cum inside of you does not seem warranted especially not for the reason you are giving.
 
Ok. Well do you have any better advice? Sorry I just thought I would write to try to help on this topic.
 
pab665 said:
Ok. Well do you have any better advice? Sorry I just thought I would write to try to help on this topic.
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Do you actually have any evidence that not keeping the cum in is causing any real issues?
Is this even a problem for women?
 
No, it's just I always read to avoid a vaginal douche because it messes with the pH and this seems similar to that.
 
Ok so if it's not 150ml then how much is it usually do you think. Sorry I was just estimating.
 
pab665 said:
Ok so if it's not 150ml then how much is it usually do you think. Sorry I was just estimating.
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I'm with @pes , 150 - 200ml seems way too much; while I have handled a few containers of semen from large canines, getting accurate volumes was not a goal. From memory I'd estimate perhaps 20-40ml at most, but that's a guess based on limited data.

I'm sure the community could probably source some data for this.... :)
 
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I'm sure this will probably invoke the ire of everyone and I admit it's not evidence-based but I can't help thinking that for the women who are most active everyday having 20 to 40 ml of volume washed out of their vagina it could wash out the helpful bacteria Lactobacillus. Taking vaginal probiotics suppositories are recommended for women in general and so I can't help but thinking it would be a good recommendation.
 
pab665 said:
Why do most women try to keep it in if not to maintain the pH?
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Most might be another overstatement. But I drink my dog's cum I do not spit it out. It is because it feels nice or because it is kinky or something like that.
UR20Z said:
Show me the dog that pumps out 200, or even 150 ml
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And I want one. :D
egoldstein said:
I'm sure the community could probably source some data for this....
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Searching for this will give you 30ml top. I think it can be a bit more because it is individual and depends on size and excitement.
 
I've often wondered about vaginal health in zoo lifestyle. Thanks for bringing it up. I'm curious about any changes early and long term effects.
 
I have been reading about the bacteria that are natural to the vagina and it is an interesting topic. Based off a summary of the research reviews, bacteria of the genus Lactobacilli make up over 70% of the bacteria found in a healthy vagina. These bacteria are able to live there if the vagina has an acidic pH in the range of ph 4 and they maintain a healthy vagina by producing anti-micobial compounds, lactic acid, H202 which may have antimicrobial properties, and importanly the lactic acid they produce lowers the pH of the vagina to a level where more harmful bacteria cannot live. Interestingly Lactobacilli is only abundant in the human vagina so it may be an adaption among humans, at least it is unique. Vaginal sex between a male and female human has at least the potential to alter the composition of the bacteria in the vagina. This can be either through introduction of the sperm which is basic and raises the pH of the vagina, making it a less welcome place for the Lactobacilli, and directly introducing bacteria into the vagina that may have been on the penis or in the sperm. The uncircumcised penis is thought to introduce more bacteria. While some men have the bacteria of the Lactobacilli genus on the penis other have more harmful bacteria like Gardnerella, Corynebacterium, Staphylococcus, and Prevotella which if pushed into the vagina and can cause bacterial vaginitis. The harmful bacteria produce toxic compounds that create an immune response which leads to the itching and redness, and they break down the mucus which protects the vagina.
 
I am just wondering if it has been considered the effect of being knotted has on the vaginal microbiome.
 
pab665 said:
I am just wondering if it has been considered the effect of being knotted has on the vaginal microbiome.
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I think you should start by finding out whether having sex with a dog even leads to any problems in real life for a woman.
As far as I can remember there has been very few threads mentioning any issues at all.
(And there are no women here in this thread confirming your theory either)
So my conclusion is that having sex with a dog does not produce any issues with the pH or microbial environment in the vagina and you are simply wasting your time on a non-issue.
 
Yeah I'm not trying to scare anyone away from getting knotted. People have been having sex with dogs for thousands of years, probably since domestication, with no significant problems except rare ones. I was just wondering if there were more minor effects, I think which a doctor might call sub-clinical.
 
Ok I guess I'm wasting my time. I just am sort of interested in microbiology. The canine penis has some canine specific bacteria on it like Streptococcus canis. So my guess would be that even though it would not cause any disease bacteria that is specific to dogs gets introduced into the vagina. These canine specific bacteria would interact with the vaginal microbiome in unknown and untested ways.
 
pab665 said:
Ok I guess I'm wasting my time. I just am sort of interested in microbiology. The canine penis has some canine specific bacteria on it like Streptococcus canis. So my guess would be that even though it would not cause any disease bacteria that is specific to dogs gets introduced into the vagina. These canine specific bacteria would interact with the vaginal microbiome in unknown and untested ways.
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It sounds like an excuse to start recording data. The basic tools needed are typically inexpensive and the methods well documented; a basic compound light microscope, some petri dishes or similar, media, diff-quik or other stain, etc. Careful shopping could get you setup for just a couple hundred dollars.
 
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Yes porn is my only reference point so I'm sure it's not a good point to base assumptions. No I didn't conduct a survey I just read some replies here on a thread.
 
I am making excuses, sadly I will never have a way to test this due to my own personal circumstances and there doesn't seem to be much interest from others who could easily do testing. The testing would simply involve female individuals who can say that they've had frequent recent dog sex and then the individuals would monitor their vaginal pH with the easily obtainable vaginal pH test strips. The individuals would take a vaginal microbiome test from the testing company Juno for $150. The results would be compared to a normal reference of the female vaginal microbiome. This normal reference is easily found in research papers and is basically on average about 70% Lactobacillus sp. and pH 4.
 
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