Rule Change To Allow The Original Poster More Control Of Their Own Thread!!!! VOTE NOW!!!!!

Do you wish to allow members to have more control of their own Posts by changing the rules?

  • Change The Rules

    Votes: 16 28.1%

  • Do Not Change The Rules

    Votes: 40 70.2%

  • I Do Not Care

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • Total voters
    57
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rocky_dp said:
True that. You just never know.
Thats actually what made me laugh when I voted. It reveals the results and I had a nice chuckle.
Not sure what this guy expected but I don't think it was that.
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Yeah, I expect this is gonna be a 3-6 day tantrum, it'll get spanked for most of that period, and not long after, we'll hear no more from this particular specimen as it slinks away with its tail curled tightly between its legs.
 
suzyk9 said:
Sounds to me like you want to create what some would call an echo chamber. You can delete posts you dont like, and you get to decide whose points of conversation are included on your chosen topic.
Is that facism or totalitarianism I smell brewing?
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🎼How many roads, must a man walk down, before you can call him a man...🎶
 
ARealFluke said:
FTM piping up in here... I do not care, because first and foremost this is a zoo forum. Not everyone is going to like the same content. Not everyone is comfortable or attracted to certain body types, biological sexes, genders, species, etc. And that's okay. Preferences exist. Some people don't want to see trans content, and that's OKAY! Just like some people don't want to see dog content or horse content. It's ALL OKAY.

I'm really getting tired of the trans community trying to dictate how people should feel about transgender bodies. It's a two way street. I see this as an unnecessary temper tantrum that's only going to do more harm to the trans community and it's fight to gain acceptance and tolerance. This is the type of shit that makes my education efforts 1000 times harder. Please... Stop.

We have a section dedicated to us. It is a good compromise that includes us, while also respecting the preferences of others. This isn't like the bathroom battle, since nothing is being witnessed or viewed, just go do your business and get out like everyone else. But here, this forum has accepted that we exist, while also accepting that it's not everyone's cup of tea. And that's okay. If you don't like how a place is run, then... don't stay.

I have a ton of issues with a lot of the opinions shared on this forum, but I don't go looking for it. People can accept that we exist without having to be exposed to every aspect. Respect a forum's rules, or just don't be a part of it. Having civil discussion about the rules is one thing, it's another to go completely off the walls over them and try to get drastic changes that just alienates literally everyone, myself and other trans individuals. In the end, this is a forum, and when you make a post, you're going to get opinions that you don't like. If it's something against the rules, report it. If not, ignore it or block that user and move on.

Now, can there be improvements? Sure. Could the trans exclusive forums be made a subsection of the male/female areas? Sure. But I'm not about to piss and moan and rock a boat that isn't even mine if it isn't done to my liking. Please, stop making the trans community look bad, and understand that not every place has to bend to transgender wants and needs. The simple fact of the matter, we are still trans, and we still have differences that not everyone enjoys or wants to see. And again, that's okay. There's a space for us when the staff didn't even have to bother including us at all. Would I like to see the transgender area organized better? Yes. But we all need to pick our battles more wisely, because this shit ain't it.
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Don't worry I don't include you types to my general low opinion, I'm all for live let live, just the types we're discussing I enjoy when they stomp in and make a scene.

I understand this is an out lier and doesn't represent you all..
 
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Kyurious14U said:
It is comical how the use of one word has lit afire such drum beating by the crowd... R-I-G-H-T-S... LMAO....jump on that low lying fruit I left there for you....LOL
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So, instead of addressing some of the concerns people raised about your suggestion, you make a passive-aggressive remark.

Not very constructive. Please address the raised concerns.
 
Kyurious14U said:
I can see your point, but does the OP not have the right to keep unwanted opinions off of their thread. If the opinionated reply deem it necessary, they can always post a separate thread with their own opinion.
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They do have that right, before posting. Once you post in a public forum, be it internet or a crowded sidewalk, you do not get to decide who gets to voice an opinion. Doing so is called censorship and runs contrary to public discourse, free thought, and the freedom to express opinions and arguments. Be reminded, freedom of speech does NOT protect an individual's popular opinions, rather, it is there to protect unpopular or offensive thoughts and opinions.
 
suzyk9 said:
You can delete posts you dont like
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This is actually not what this would do if it is implemented. There will be no change to the software of the forum.
Only mods can delete posts and the decision whether a post stays or not is on mods.

Mare Lover 1975 said:
There's no possible way that this could go wrong, that's sarcasm by the way.
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So here are some points where this could go wrong which I pointed out in the dumpster fire also:

1. Let people of any gender post in any section regardless of the section's gender categorization and leave the post there until the OP reports it if they do not like it.
This is the equivalent of free for all rule. This breaks current categorization making the porn section effectively one monolithic porn category. (making search for the stuff you want to see difficult, categorization of information on a forum is a useful tool)

2. If the OP has been inactive for 12 months since their last post and can not be contacted, only then can a mod take control of the thread and move or remove the post/thread based on a report from an active member.
This was added after pointing out that threads where the OP does not exist anymore are common.
This requires manually checking who has been last online when if a report is received.
Then if the OP is not banned you have to send them a message and wait for an unspecified amount of time for a reply and then decide.
- 1. How long do you want to wait to be able to tell they are not contactable a week, a month?
- 2. The whole time the report has to stay dormant in the queue.
3. When it is decided that the OP is not available and a mod decides to therefore remove a post, then you can easily accuse the mod of transphobia since a regular user does not have any ability to check how, when and whether any mod tried to contact any user.
4. The same problem goes for abandoned threads where a user does not have any ability to check whether the thread was reported or not at all.

So in conclusion doing this change will lead to the trans minority of the forum complaining that threads/posts are re/moved anyway.
And this whole issue was started by a complaint about a removed post.

Which is exactly what this comment is pointing out.
dogluver101 said:
No.
Too many variables to even consider, and if it was even possible. Still no. Mods would still remove it either way without the OP's consent if it violates the rules anyway.
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I do not care for porn. But I do care whether a change in the forum is going to have a desired effect and in my opinion it will not.
 
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Shadow69 said:
They do have that right, before posting. Once you post in a public forum, be it internet or a crowded sidewalk, you do not get to decide who gets to voice an opinion. Doing so is called censorship and runs contrary to public discourse, free thought, and the freedom to express opinions and arguments. Be reminded, freedom of speech does NOT protect an individual's popular opinions, rather, it is there to protect unpopular or offensive thoughts and opinions.
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Hallelujah!!!!!!! Another one with comprehension! I'm feeling less and less lonely by the minute :)
 
I'll add an opinion which was not a single time from what I saw mentioned in this thread, but is related to the poll, as through the requested change this would be the result:

How much additional work / stress / time consumed would this add to mods, because random people (only a few, but that's probably enough..) would then request - as OP - that "this and that and those 2.." reported posts of users get removed, because out of thin air they don't like those in their own echo chamber?

This additional work can be used ways more productive in the maintenance and moderation of the forum itself against malicious or disturbing activities.
 
YanchaOkami said:
How much additional work / stress / time consumed would this add to mods
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A decent amount, see above.
YanchaOkami said:
reported posts of users get removed, because out of thin air they don't like those in their own echo chamber?
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Again. Porn only. Otherwise this is a public forum.

knotjen said:
Wouldn't the existing “report” button on every post do the same thing? Or is this something different?
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It would, it is the same thing. Nothing in the software or user privileges is changing.
 
pes said:
Again. Porn only. Otherwise this is a public forum.
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That's for sure, but especially in the "porn" category (with sub categories, like the initially relevant non-animal related "woman" category) there is quite a lively share of "semi"-porn with hundreds of comments.

As well there's ten thousands of comments in the more-or-less "real" porn sub categories.

If OPs report just a share of three users (which they don't want to participate in their thread - in the same aspect they couldn't "exclude" them from posting new posts, as the users don't break any forum rule - the OP could only report already posted responses for removal) per thread and each of those three users posts three to five times, that's an intense amount of additional reports.

Not to talk about that those users - which didn't break any forum rules and are not limited on posting new responses in the thread, due to no broken forum rules, from how I understand it - are either confused, annoyed, angered or they are OK with it. And depending on their emotional state there will be -more- comments (posts) with even less relevance to the topic, which will get reported by the OP and as such..

And then there's all those postings which are breaking any rule, independently of reports. Which as well need to get checked in.

I assume if there's no way to exclude the users from an open thread in the categories - if the OP doesn't want their comments to be posted there - permanently, then it just generates an endless stream of confusion and anger / reactions without any relevance for the topic related causes.

And if there's a way for any OP to exclude users which don't break forum rules from their topics, then this resembles purely echo chambers and small private spaces in categories which are meant for public access and easy recognition. Not really helpful. Not to talk about how those users will react if they're just excluded without any broken rule or annoyance (aside an OP which doesn't like their post).

It would basically undermine the functional rule set by creating subareas where the rules might be not longer "known" by anyone participating. The chaos which results out of this is impressive.
 
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Another issue is that currently if for example someone posts a guy with a dog in the woman with dogs subforum, it is automatically assumed that they do not know how the forum works and posted it wrong by accident.
The thread is moved to the correct category.

With this change a mod would have to contact the poster, ask them whether they are trans and want to keep the thread there and only then find out that they do not understand what women with animals means (which happens surprisingly often :D ).
 
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pes said:
Another is that currently if for example someone posts a guy with a dog in the woman with dogs subforum, it is automatically assumed that they do not know how the forum works and posted it wrong by accident.
The thread is moved to the correct category.

With this change a mod would have to contact the poster, ask them whether they are trans and want to keep the thread there and only then find out that they do not understand what women with animals means.
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Yes, the usually applied analysis of "why is this posted here" does not work any longer in this case.

It would require each action aside broken forum rules to get communicated with either the OP* or the one to remove the post from. In many cases both, as the user might wonder and request support on "where did my posting go to?". On the same time people will wonder why there are males with male dogs in the females with male dogs category (as example) and report those, creating "false" reports, not in relation to the forum rules, but to the OP wishes.

If the OP created this thread and allows that trans MtF are allowed to post there, as they see them self as females - which is not the problem, but there are still penises visible in the media - then it is contrary to the category schematic and people are as well confused, more reports follow.

This pulls an endless rat tail of unnecessary actions and confusion behind it. For almost everyone. And I assume aside from anger, confusion and thereof unnecessary further postings without topic relevance, it will as well reduce the participation in all categories, as the schematics (forum rules) are not longer the main guideline, but individual wishes of OPs apply after those unbeknownst to users.


* To clarify this: first "contact" is the report by OP. If it is filled out informative, no further communication is needed. If the report is blank, not filled out informatively (why the posting should be removed) then the moderator has to first check the posting for any broken forum rules due to the mostly more intense actions needed in this case, like warning points / bans, then verify - if no rules are broken - that the one reporting it is the OP (or the OP is long gone..) and then - if yes - remove this posting.
 
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I think the most uncomfortable part of all of this is how OP has zero interest in the concerns of anyone else. Mods, other members, anyone who actually supports this, nada. A close second is how bad this could backfire if it passes. There's more than one echo chamber possible here.

I don't really care about the organization of the porn section, aside from the fact organization makes abuse easier to spot and snuff out. I do care about everyone having to deal with the backlash this could cause everywhere else. Like the possible pages of poles like this one just for one example.
 
FoxandtheHounds said:
I think the most uncomfortable part of all of this is how OP has zero interest in the concerns of anyone else. Mods, other members, anyone who actually supports this, nada. A close second is how bad this could backfire if it passes. There's more than one echo chamber possible here.

I don't really care about the organization of the porn section, aside from the fact organization makes abuse easier to spot and snuff out. I do care about everyone having to deal with the backlash this could cause everywhere else. Like the possible pages of poles like this one just for one example.
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Since it's been maintaining something reasonably close to 3:1 against, I doubt it's going anywhere but down in 🔥 even without DF-grade input. (Which I've been being fighting every fiber of my being to remain VERY CAREFUL not to inject enough of to be objectionable, I'll thank everyone to know. I'm amazing even myself with the restraint being applied.)
 
UR20Z said:
Since it's been maintaining something reasonably close to 3:1 against, I doubt it's going anywhere but down in 🔥 even without DF-grade input. (Which I've been being fighting every fiber of my being to remain VERY CAREFUL not to inject enough of to be objectionable, I'll thank everyone to know. I'm amazing even myself with the restraint being applied.)
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I doubt it's going anywhere too. But plenty of people vote on things they don't know about because of who wants it.

Most involved have shown great restraint.
 
OffgridK9lover said:
Don't worry I don't include you types to my general low opinion, I'm all for live let live, just the types we're discussing I enjoy when they stomp in and make a scene.

I understand this is an out lier and doesn't represent you all..
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This! This right here! You just described me to a "T".

I wonder who'll try to pick that up and run with it? This could be entertaining... :devilish: If you do, take it to the fireplace so we can play on an open field instead of this little sandbox :)
 
UR20Z said:
Since it's been maintaining something reasonably close to 3:1 against, I doubt it's going anywhere ..
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The OPs "rules" would always be sub-par compared to the forum rules, which are active anyway.

As such it's an additional variable limitation which creates work and chaos compared to the always-active and clear to understand forum rules.

Very useless in my opinion.

Even more as there are two easy to use options which already supply this sort of freedom for individual users:

The element Zooville chat, which allows creation and maintaining of individual channels. Including kicks, bans and invites, which relays the individual work to the channel owner or users which were given those rights by him.

And the groups, which seem (I am not in one, so I can not verify) to allow the invitation and exclusion through the creator as well.

I have no idea why there would be a reason to include this individual right management for users (even as OPs) in the forum, if there are already two ways which allow even the creation of wonderful echo chambers .. if wished for. Universal rules still apply.
 
This whole ordeal reminds me of dealing with that one little prick in school that is always disruptive and questioning the teachers every word, just wasting everyone’s time and life. Why do we cater so much to these attention seeking idiots? They have been explained the rules multiple times, yet they still waste everyone’s time arguing their own self centred point.
My class wasted a good week out of an 8 week course dealing with incompetent losers like this. I swear they argue everything just so people will pay attention to their pathetic self.
Why must the masses suffer just because of one idiot that can’t see the light? I’m talking to you especially @pes. I know you deal with a lot on this forum, and putting up with this clown is just taking you away from doing better things. Maybe don’t flat out banish them, but I think a good time out away from the other people might be a good start. The world is far to lenient. I see many complaints about the prison and legal systems being too laid back, and this is the same thing right here. Keep being tolerant of it, it will only get worse.
 
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