Bestiality & Modern Dating

[KnottyNomad]

I am new to this community and wanted to pose a question about fetishes. I've noticed fetishes tend to be more based on life experiences than some kind of trait you're born with.
But bestiality seems different, I've often wondered if I'm attracted to it for the type of experience and emotions it offers, namely: raw lust & primal and animalistic desire.
The modern world of dating & relationships severely lacks these traits, especially since it rarely comes along with mutual trust and respect. Humans are similar to animals, but we have evolved in ways that I believe are harmful. Looking through history, various groups have tried and still try to sterilize sex. Many people suppress their feelings and end up ashamed for what, ultimately, are natural and healthy traits (I'd argure evolutionary traits, as well).

Meanwhile, it has also been harder to maintain genuine relationships with others; everyone being too busy, stressed, pandemic isolation, etc.

So as I search for genuine companionship and raw emotional traits, I wonder how much I was naturally pushed towards bestiality or how much I am just crazy and alone in feeling this way.
I would love to hear other people's opinions or perspectives on this

 

[NoloContendere]

I've found the same. It seems we're in a dark corner of the kink and BDSM world - a switchy ex and I reconnected over her watching dog porn and wanting to "be degraded like that". Another grew up rural and having her dogs lick her was the most normal thing as was using her stuffed animals as sex dolls in various ways. Another grew up in LA and was open minded but hadn't had exposure to kinky things until we met and I opened her eyes to pleasure without guilt.

It's saddening to see people live life in front of a screen and develop their sexuality the same way. People are drifting further out of touch with themselves and the people around them, perhaps inadvertently delving deeper into the echo chambers of the internet. Sex on the internet goes through cycles, the various attempts to scrub the internet of types of porn and it's ancillary information.

Over the years I've found more raw lust and animalistic desire come out when playing with animals and with homosexual experiences though I'm more seeking the fun of sex than always getting to that primal point (most of the time), and don't have so many primal experiences with women (yet).

The sad side is the way I see porn shaping fetishes for many people. Look at the sex conversation app linked in my profile, Mōn. The vast majority of users are cuck centric males with a porn addiction and almost cookie cutter fantasy. I often wonder what they'd be into with more positive attention and sexual experience with women, perhaps with more Testosterone and self confidence as well.

I've used bestiality as more of a gauge of open mindedness with women than a quest for raw desire, though I've used amyl as an aid for achieving that level of lust with partners that's less of a shocking or perhaps off putting step in that direction.

 

[FromRioDeJaneiroBrasil]

I am new to this community and wanted to pose a question about fetishes. I've noticed fetishes tend to be more based on life experiences than some kind of trait you're born with.
But bestiality seems different, I've often wondered if I'm attracted to it for the type of experience and emotions it offers, namely: raw lust & primal and animalistic desire.
The modern world of dating & relationships severely lacks these traits, especially since it rarely comes along with mutual trust and respect. Humans are similar to animals, but we have evolved in ways that I believe are harmful. Looking through history, various groups have tried and still try to sterilize sex. Many people suppress their feelings and end up ashamed for what, ultimately, are natural and healthy traits (I'd argure evolutionary traits, as well).

Meanwhile, it has also been harder to maintain genuine relationships with others; everyone being too busy, stressed, pandemic isolation, etc.

So as I search for genuine companionship and raw emotional traits, I wonder how much I was naturally pushed towards bestiality or how much I am just crazy and alone in feeling this way.
I would love to hear other people's opinions or perspectives on this

I agree with everything you said.. We have pretty similar point of view in that aspect.
With that mindset and if your avatar is your real picture, would be great to get to know you IRL, but sadly you're not from Brazil.

 

[mabber36]

I have noticed zoo women are much nicer. You could be on to something

 

[TammCa]

I am new to this community and wanted to pose a question about fetishes. I've noticed fetishes tend to be more based on life experiences than some kind of trait you're born with.
But bestiality seems different, I've often wondered if I'm attracted to it for the type of experience and emotions it offers, namely: raw lust & primal and animalistic desire.
The modern world of dating & relationships severely lacks these traits, especially since it rarely comes along with mutual trust and respect. Humans are similar to animals, but we have evolved in ways that I believe are harmful. Looking through history, various groups have tried and still try to sterilize sex. Many people suppress their feelings and end up ashamed for what, ultimately, are natural and healthy traits (I'd argure evolutionary traits, as well).

Meanwhile, it has also been harder to maintain genuine relationships with others; everyone being too busy, stressed, pandemic isolation, etc.

So as I search for genuine companionship and raw emotional traits, I wonder how much I was naturally pushed towards bestiality or how much I am just crazy and alone in feeling this way.
I would love to hear other people's opinions or perspectives on this

Humans are similar to animals ? We humans are animals, we're Mammels

 

[EponasDevotee]

An interesting and well presented consideration, thanks for sharing. Being elderly and now zoo exclusive I've pondered animal behavior, human and non. Growing up when I did I was 'conditioned' to purchase that happiness in life was with a wife, children, 'stuff' and church/god et al. Since childhood I've felt a close affinity to non-human animals. They were (are) for the most part more 'honest' and unencumbered emotionally and mentally than human animals are. I tried the marriage, parent thing and it has been a valuable reference experience. As I've aged and observed/analyzed the human experience I've come to the conclusion that most humans are arrogant, ignorant, and self-righteous which leads to being filled with fear. Thankfully most non-human animals don't suffer these issues unless they've been scarred by humans. Most non-humans are genuine, simple (in what they desire), sincere and trustworthy (once one takes the time to get to know them). Sadly in most human relationships sexual intimacy adds complications and really I don't find my own species sexually attractive...

 

[JazzyPaws]

I am new to this community and wanted to pose a question about fetishes. I've noticed fetishes tend to be more based on life experiences than some kind of trait you're born with.
But bestiality seems different,

Yes, for some its a fetish, for others it's never really been a choice. I can't turn off my love for dogs anymore than a heterosexual can turn off theirs for the opposing sex. Bestiality & Zoophilia have a spectrum, it seems. As it can be both a natural orientation, and a kink or fetish.

I've often wondered if I'm attracted to it for the type of experience and emotions it offers, namely: raw lust & primal and animalistic desire.

Every emotion, in my personal opinion, is both more raw, and more pure. It's your heart driving the car, and your head can mostly sit in the backseat, just keeping an eye. With people there seems to always be some fucking angle.

Meanwhile, it has also been harder to maintain genuine relationships with others; everyone being too busy, stressed, pandemic isolation, etc.

The nice part of your animal companion is that their lives are much simpler, and more devoted to you.

So as I search for genuine companionship and raw emotional traits, I wonder how much I was naturally pushed towards bestiality or how much I am just crazy and alone in feeling this way.

No, you are certainly not alone. One of the things I can say as someone who has experienced both humans and canines, but now identifies as exclusively zoo, I can say one of the major tipping points was that I never felt, in people, what I felt for animal companions over the years. Even functioning, sexually, required my mind to at least involve one of my past mates. I came to realize that I'm just not meant to connect to humans, and I should stop trying to be "normal"

 

[Jmmp2803]

I kind of agree and kind of don't

 

[KnottyNomad]

Are you suggesting you have an interest in bestiality because it hasn't worked out with humans?

I would say probably not. Most likely, you have this inclination and would have had it regardless how relationships with humans worked out for you.

Though it is fair to say, when we're alone, we do tend to "ponder things" and maybe you became aware of your inclination that way. That doesn't mean those two things are related in any way.

I'm more suggesting that modern society as a whole seems to suppress fun aspects of sex like passion, desire, and more primalistic tendencies. For me personally, I grew up in a community where sex is only meant for re-populating the earth and shrouded by shame and fear. The U.S. was built and has developed on these more prudish tendencies, and I'd argue is one of the most reserved countries in the world conerning sex. But I feel that this more ridgid view of sex drove me to seek bestiality, something outside of the box and ultimately more primal.

 

[brand-spanking-old]

I'm more suggesting that modern society as a whole seems to suppress fun aspects of sex like passion, desire, and more primalistic tendencies. For me personally, I grew up in a community where sex is only meant for re-populating the earth and shrouded by shame and fear. The U.S. was built and has developed on these more prudish tendencies, and I'd argue is one of the most reserved countries in the world conerning sex. But I feel that this more ridgid view of sex drove me to seek bestiality, something outside of the box and ultimately more primal.

I think that seeking, looking for things outside the norm is 50/50 nurture vs nature. Pretty hard to untangle those two aspects. I had pretty open upbringing, and I still found myself here.

 

[KnottyNomad]

I think that seeking, looking for things outside the norm is 50/50 nurture vs nature. Pretty hard to untangle those two aspects. I had pretty open upbringing, and I still found myself here.

So you think a lot of it is just being predisposed to it?

 

[brand-spanking-old]

So you think a lot of it is just being predisposed to it?

Yes. But also your upbringing and culture is big part too.
Your disposition and your life experiences are fundamentally entwined. For sexuality, I don’t think either can be said to have more or less influence.

 

[KnottyNomad]

Yes. But also your upbringing and culture is big part too.
Your disposition and your life experiences are fundamentally entwined. For sexuality, I don’t think either can be said to have more or less influence.

What makes you feel that way?

 

[brand-spanking-old]

What makes you feel that way?

I don’t know, maybe I’m predisposed to it ?

 

[brand-spanking-old]

Joking kinda
Geneticists, psychologists, biologists, have debated nature vs nurture forever. From what I’ve seen and read the consensus is essentially that it’s always both, and trying to say which one is more important is too hard to say, at least in a complex aspect like sexuality

 

[BaileyAffair]

Wife and I have that kind of relationship going. When I get horny I come on like a freight train haha. She definitely gets turned on by being lusted after and that is one thing I have always had in spades for ladies, endless lust, especially with someone I have an emotional connection with.

Edit: with regards to dating and zoo, I had largely given up and met my wife by accident almost.

 

[KnottyNomad]

Joking kinda
Geneticists, psychologists, biologists, have debated nature vs nurture forever. From what I’ve seen and read the consensus is essentially that it’s always both, and trying to say which one is more important is too hard to say, at least in a complex aspect like sexuality

That makes sense, sexuality is a very individualistic thing

 

[brand-spanking-old]

That makes sense, sexuality is a very individualistic thing

but also so basic, fundamental

 

[Dogdaddy69]

For whatever it's worth, my thoughts are personality and tastes. Influenced by whatever forces in your life shaped those 2 things.

 

[saddlebum66]

Ive always believed we're predisposed...at least to the point where we do not automatically reject the possibilities. Of course, the older we are when the possibilities present, the less likely we'll take them up.

I know of a case where a hub was basically a beasty...encouraged his Male to do some extramarital oral sex over a few years....When the marriage broke up, the dog stayed with the wife for the first six or eight months....

The hub's stash of doggie porn was found by the wife and disposed of....but a couple of months later the dog tried to put his nose, and possibly more, where it did not belong; Wifey was NOT predisposed to our little game. She beat that dog silly. It might not have happened if she hadnt found the porn.

Fast forward....Hub's new wife IS predisposed....but the dog has now been given a lesson in "Don't Do That!" he never forgot.

It is possible that most of humankind is disposed to reject the contacts when offered...We've kept dogs for millennia. If it was a wider-spread issue for the mundane world, there likely would not BE dogs on the planet. If we were not predisposed, there would be larger numbers engaged just by dumb luck.

 

[KnottyNomad]

Ive always believed we're predisposed...at least to the point where we do not automatically reject the possibilities. Of course, the older we are when the possibilities present, the less likely we'll take them up.

I know of a case where a hub was basically a beasty...encouraged his Male to do some extramarital oral sex over a few years....When the marriage broke up, the dog stayed with the wife for the first six or eight months....

The hub's stash of doggie porn was found by the wife and disposed of....but a couple of months later the dog tried to put his nose, and possibly more, where it did not belong; Wifey was NOT predisposed to our little game. She beat that dog silly. It might not have happened if she hadnt found the porn.

Fast forward....Hub's new wife IS predisposed....but the dog has now been given a lesson in "Don't Do That!" he never forgot.

It is possible that most of humankind is disposed to reject the contacts when offered...We've kept dogs for millennia. If it was a wider-spread issue for the mundane world, there likely would not BE dogs on the planet. If we were not predisposed, there would be larger numbers engaged just by dumb luck.

You make a good point about it having to be a predisposition because there are plenty of people who no matter what would never even consider this lifestyle. So that means there must be at least a little bit of it that's just hardwired into us.

 

[saddlebum66]

I think so...Im not sure how one articulates it, because what I posted doesnt seem as clear as It ought, but I think in one fashion or another, we're born this way. More, I think its a good thing.

 

[KnottyNomad]

I think so...Im not sure how one articulates it, because what I posted doesnt seem as clear as It ought, but I think in one fashion or another, we're born this way. More, I think its a good thing.

I could see that, like for example there may be some genetic trait that just makes you more open to new things or something that makes you bond more easily with something different than yourself which makes you not view animals as seperate from humans. I have noticed just by browsing the forum that not viewing animals as that different from people seems to be one of the main traits that all zoos share.

 

[saddlebum66]

I could see that, like for example there may be some genetic trait that just makes you more open to new things or something that makes you bond more easily with something different than yourself which makes you not view animals as seperate from humans. I have noticed just by browsing the forum that not viewing animals as that different from people seems to be one of the main traits that all zoos share.

I'll agree with that except for one caveat...sometimes anthropomorphizing wild animals is dangerous...but Zoos and Beasties do this all the time...Lions and Tigers and Bears( oh, my...) are not really fit love partners under all but a very narrow circumstance...If you're a reader, I can recommend a couple of books that exemplify why...even some small critters have drawbacks...Raccoons spread Rabies at an alarming rate, for instance. Rabbits, wild ones are subject to Tularemia, Pigs, Cats, and Bears are all potential sources of Trichinella parasites, a painful intramuscular cyst that becomes a worm... Yes...we have an affinity for animals that's quite strong, but that affinity CAN get us into trouble. Loving them from afar in some cases is best...but love them anyway.

 

[jhallec3875]

For me, it kind of lies in the fact that I am bisexual. I've never truly had many relations with any animal and get my fill out of images and videos-which, I know isn't great for my sexuality yada yada, I deal with it just fine-which gets me desiring more real life things.

I have had this bestialic (if we want to create words) desire since I was 13-14, because I developed a sexual attraction to them. This created the problem that I didn't gain any attraction for either gender in humans. Having been with some now, I do have that attraction now but it pales in comparison with my romantic or even sexual attraction to animals.

I haven't had an opportunity yet to have relations with an animal, but it is one of my longest running desires and I'll achieve it at some point. For me, I think this desire is for the sexual thrill of making love with a male animal. Something about it has turned me on from a young age. Of course, the care of the animal supercedes that. I love animals and care for them as pets as most do. It is when that relationship turns into a love that my full potential is unlocked. Haven't had that chance yet though. Some day, the right animal at the right time will come, and we two will have a gentle, loving and intimate relationship fulfilling my greatest sexual and romantic desires and fulfilling his (or her) need to fuck.

 

[Renee]

I do think it's a mix of both nature and nurture (our environment), but I weight it slightly more towards environment and experiences. I think our bodies looks, size, etc..... shape our experiences. A very very physically attractive person will likely have different experiences from someone that is on the lower end of the conventional beauty standards scale. That's just an example of how I suspect our genetics affects our experiences.

To be sure, we all might react differently living life with X type of body, but..... I think it factors in.

If I had the genetics to have a very large penis and also NOT grown up around mating dogs and horses, I don't think I'd be the same person. I think I'd have been much more hetero-normative all of my life. I'd likely still be kinky, but I'd probably be just another guy interested in being a little bit of a Dom. Maybe I'd color outside the lines a little bit, but I don't think I'd have ventured as far from what is more common.

On the Big 5 personality test I score high in openness to experiences. That likely is somewhat of a common trait in people with alternative sexualities.

 

[Yaboiwut]

I am new to this community and wanted to pose a question about fetishes. I've noticed fetishes tend to be more based on life experiences than some kind of trait you're born with.
But bestiality seems different, I've often wondered if I'm attracted to it for the type of experience and emotions it offers, namely: raw lust & primal and animalistic desire.
The modern world of dating & relationships severely lacks these traits, especially since it rarely comes along with mutual trust and respect. Humans are similar to animals, but we have evolved in ways that I believe are harmful. Looking through history, various groups have tried and still try to sterilize sex. Many people suppress their feelings and end up ashamed for what, ultimately, are natural and healthy traits (I'd argure evolutionary traits, as well).

Meanwhile, it has also been harder to maintain genuine relationships with others; everyone being too busy, stressed, pandemic isolation, etc.

So as I search for genuine companionship and raw emotional traits, I wonder how much I was naturally pushed towards bestiality or how much I am just crazy and alone in feeling this way.
I would love to hear other people's opinions or perspectives on this

Honestly? I'd say it's down to modern laws.

Not that I support harassment, but not too long ago... it was far more primal in the same way a your K9 Companion might be pushy for sex and be rough during it.

Now, with modern laws... we're (Guys, at least) all too concerned with how a simple compliment can be considered harassment and could get us a night in jail.

Girls tend to like when the guy they like gets pushy, possessive and aggressive, to a degree... but we're told our entre lives that "No means no". I agree with that statement... to a degree.

Sometimes, girls LIKE when guys won't accept no.

My Stepdad was like that with my mom. Day one said "I'm gonna make you my wife" and stuck to it for 3 years before she finally relented and they're happily married now.

If she's saying no during sex, take it as a no.

But everywhere else? It gets HELLA confusing for guys.

Guys do what women say they want... and well...

That explains why things aren't as primal anymore.

The risk outweighs the reward.

 

[lonerguy420]

I am new to this community and wanted to pose a question about fetishes. I've noticed fetishes tend to be more based on life experiences than some kind of trait you're born with.
But bestiality seems different, I've often wondered if I'm attracted to it for the type of experience and emotions it offers, namely: raw lust & primal and animalistic desire.
The modern world of dating & relationships severely lacks these traits, especially since it rarely comes along with mutual trust and respect. Humans are similar to animals, but we have evolved in ways that I believe are harmful. Looking through history, various groups have tried and still try to sterilize sex. Many people suppress their feelings and end up ashamed for what, ultimately, are natural and healthy traits (I'd argure evolutionary traits, as well).

Meanwhile, it has also been harder to maintain genuine relationships with others; everyone being too busy, stressed, pandemic isolation, etc.

So as I search for genuine companionship and raw emotional traits, I wonder how much I was naturally pushed towards bestiality or how much I am just crazy and alone in feeling this way.
I would love to hear other people's opinions or perspectives on this

Well said. I feel humans have long been getting further away from their natural selves. Its like we're programmed bots forced to lives stressful and unhappy lives. I guess that's why I came here hoping to meet a genuine girl that is true to her nature but still has a big heart.

 

[OJNari]

I am new to this community and wanted to pose a question about fetishes. I've noticed fetishes tend to be more based on life experiences than some kind of trait you're born with.
But bestiality seems different, I've often wondered if I'm attracted to it for the type of experience and emotions it offers, namely: raw lust & primal and animalistic desire.
The modern world of dating & relationships severely lacks these traits, especially since it rarely comes along with mutual trust and respect. Humans are similar to animals, but we have evolved in ways that I believe are harmful. Looking through history, various groups have tried and still try to sterilize sex. Many people suppress their feelings and end up ashamed for what, ultimately, are natural and healthy traits (I'd argure evolutionary traits, as well).

Meanwhile, it has also been harder to maintain genuine relationships with others; everyone being too busy, stressed, pandemic isolation, etc.

So as I search for genuine companionship and raw emotional traits, I wonder how much I was naturally pushed towards bestiality or how much I am just crazy and alone in feeling this way.
I would love to hear other people's opinions or perspectives on this

Women and men approach sexuality from a different point of view, meaning what women desire in men is different from what men desire in women. (rocket science I know... ) Women prioritize quality and men rather quantity. And the most important traits that women find attractive in males come from strength: height (representation of strength and health), confidence, dominance (representation of the ability to lead).

To be desired by a strong male that has alpha traits is hot. Male dogs are able to cater to these needs. Simple as that.

Not all women are into zoo of course, but those who are highlight the importance of this.
The 1st world society we live in is safe. These primal traits are not required any more in males. Sometimes even labeled toxic. What society considers the "norm" varies.
But what people find attractive is pretty much stays the same for millenniums.

Your upbringing definetly affects you, but as others said, it is not necessarily predeterministic.
I like this old anecdote to psychology students about predeterminism:
- George is such a nice guy, he does not ever drink one sip of alcohol.
- No wonder, his father was an alcoholic...
AND
- George is such a debauched guy, he is drinking all day long.
- No wonder, his father was an alcoholic...

 

[decadantmaster]

Yeah I was hoping they would offer it as a filter option on Match, but alas, they dont. Pretty much a NO-FLY-ZONE unless I guess you met here, eh?