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Not Neutering

StrangeGem

StrangeGem

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There is a rural shelter a few towns away that does not neuter the dogs while they are there. They put the responsibility on the person adopting the dog. Is there any way to avoid neutering the dog I get? If that is not an option can dogs still fully function if they have had a vasectomy or chemical castration? Has anyone else had experience with a shelter like this before? Did they check on the dog after you had taken it home.
 
Most of those shelters typically have you get the pet fixed.

Personally, I would look locally, or a up to a couple hundred miles away for a litter up pups needing new home. That way you have more flexibility to pick out exactly what you are looking for. When selecting the puppy from a litter....watch for the one most interested in you...the one who wants to be near you....sits with you and such....if they all seem more interested in the other puppies instead of you....I’d pass....and wait till you find the right one....
 
HappyLV said:
Most of those shelters typically have you get the pet fixed.

Personally, I would look locally, or a up to a couple hundred miles away for a litter up pups needing new home. That way you have more flexibility to pick out exactly what you are looking for. When selecting the puppy from a litter....watch for the one most interested in you...the one who wants to be near you....sits with you and such....if they all seem more interested in the other puppies instead of you....I’d pass....and wait till you find the right one....
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Thanks for the advice I'm probably gonna just get a puppy,,, I just feel a little guilty when there are so many dogs that need homes. And a lot of breeders have neutering agreements or have the pups fixed before you get them. But I guess there are always unwanted pups and stuff on Craigslist that might be my best bet
 
Where I live at we have a newsprint Magazine that comes out once a week. The magazine is a local classified ads zine. They cost only a few dollars. I think they sell classified ad magazines in any state. People call the number and pay $15.00 to place an ad. It is mostly ads for used cars, but they sell boats, motorcycles, jet skis, and musical instruments. In the back people are always selling puppies. They usually sell for $50.00 but the more sought-after purebreds can cost up to $250 - $700. It is a good way to get a dog within a two-hour drive of your house instead of looking at an internet ad for an over-priced $700 - $2000 dog that you have to make a six-hour drive to pick up. They sell the magazines at local gas stations.

A word of warning about those classified ad puppies. Get them vaccinated and get them dewormed at a vet as soon as you get it. Make sure you know what the puppies of a particular breed look like. No one sells a German Shepherd for only $75. People will sell you a pup that is a half black lab and half chow. You won't even know it until it is six months old. If they tell you that they have papers on only one of the dogs but not the other then that is a good sign that you are being scammed. Keep in mind that papers can be faked.
 
Alpha Cat said:
Where I live at we have a newsprint Magazine that comes out once a week. The magazine is a local classified ads zine. They cost only a few dollars. I think they sell classified ad magazines in any state. People call the number and pay $15.00 to place an ad. It is mostly ads for used cars, but they sell boats, motorcycles, jet skis, and musical instruments. In the back people are always selling puppies. They usually sell for $50.00 but the more sought-after purebreds can cost up to $250 - $700. It is a good way to get a dog within a two-hour drive of your house instead of looking at an internet ad for an over-priced $700 - $2000 dog that you have to make a six-hour drive to pick up. They sell the magazines at local gas stations.

A word of warning about those classified ad puppies. Get them vaccinated and get them dewormed at a vet as soon as you get it. Make sure you know what the puppies of a particular breed look like. No one sells a German Shepherd for only $75. People will sell you a pup that is a half black lab and half chow. You won't even know it until it is six months old. If they tell you that they have papers on only one of the dogs but not the other then that is a good sign that you are being scammed. Keep in mind that papers can be faked.
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Thank you! I honestly didn't even think about the paper lol... I don't think I've ever bought one tbh. I'll definitely be buying one now :gsd_laughing:
 
StrangeGem said:
Thank you! I honestly didn't even think about the paper lol... I don't think I've ever bought one tbh. I'll definitely be buying one now :gsd_laughing:
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I think people call them "Used Car Magazines" or "Used Trader Magazines." Just ask your local gas station clerk if they have a local magazine for used cars and stuff. They usually keep them by the counter near the cigarettes or in the magazine rack.
 
StrangeGem said:
Thanks for the advice I'm probably gonna just get a puppy,,, I just feel a little guilty when there are so many dogs that need homes. And a lot of breeders have neutering agreements or have the pups fixed before you get them. But I guess there are always unwanted pups and stuff on Craigslist that might be my best bet
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I definitely understand people wanting to get “rescue“ dogs.....but another perspective is that all puppies need homes equally....so, if you get the one that’s right for you...in the short term and the long term...it’s not only best for you...but also best for the puppy...just think about what you want and you know what kind of dog you want....you know best, just listen to your little voice inside ya.....????
 
Another solution could be to move to a country where spaying/neutering of dogs is not a common practice (or at least not that common). If you are from USA, this could be a problem, however if you are from Europe, there are many countries like that. And also countries without strong anti-zoo laws or no anti-zoo laws at all. ;)
 
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I’m in talks with a breeder to get a dog and I know most breeders have a clause in their contract that non-show or pet dogs have to be spayed/neutered. For those of you that got your dogs through breeders, how did you have the talk and not have to spay/neuter?
 
breeders i looked into didn't seem to care if you spayed or neutered, what breed are you looking for? I think some show type dogs have a clause that they own the breeding rights to the dog so you can't take their lineage and expand it at your own free will but I don't think that will apply for the breeding you're hoping to do
 
I'm looking into Great Danes. The breeder won't be having the litter until late Summer/early Fall. Should I ask the breeder for a copy of the contract ahead of time or just ask about not spaying/neutering?
 
There is a large body of research about long-term effects of neutering especially early neutering on large dogs. Biggest risks are (1) bone growth issues such as hip dysplasia, (2) prostate cancer, (3) bone cancer, (4) exacerbation of fear-related behavior problems.

www.thelabradorsite.com

Should I have my Labrador neutered: The Evidence

Should I have my Labrador neutered? We'll help you to decide whether to neuter your dog. Sharing the pros & cons of neutering and alternatives
www.thelabradorsite.com

Look at the studies cited at the bottom. Talk to your breeder that you are concerned with these risks, and perhaps suggest vasectomy instead if the worry is "uncontrolled" breeding (there are a list of vets that do this).

Basically the bottom line is that sex hormones affect the whole body and especially skeletal system.
 
RandomNameGenerated said:
I'm looking into Great Danes. The breeder won't be having the litter until late Summer/early Fall. Should I ask the breeder for a copy of the contract ahead of time or just ask about not spaying/neutering?
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you should always see the breeders contract before putting down a deposit, you need to be interested in more than just the spay/neuter clause
 
when you find a breeder you're interested in, ask what the price is, deposit amount, both parents on premises for you to meet, what their dogs are breed for, if they have a contract (some contracts are just a simple you give breeder first right of refusal if you rehome the dog, others get crazy about who owns breeding rights, what you "must" feed your dog, ect...) what shots they provide
 
I've never heard of this sort of thing. You sign a contract where you state you wont deliberately breed with him for showlines, but no contract can make you neuter your dog... at least not here in Europe. I've had 2 'purebred' dogs from showlines this far, neither of my dogs was suited for breeding due to minor defects so we agreed to not do so. But if you have a breeder that demands this, just go elsewhere, its ridiculous.
 
waarom170 said:
I've never heard of this sort of thing. You sign a contract where you state you wont deliberately breed with him for showlines, but no contract can make you neuter your dog... at least not here in Europe. I've had 2 'purebred' dogs from showlines this far, neither of my dogs was suited for breeding due to minor defects so we agreed to not do so. But if you have a breeder that demands this, just go elsewhere, its ridiculous.
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Spay/neuter is much more common in the States and it's not unusual for breeders of show or sporting dogs to require "pet only" dogs be spayed/neutered. It's them "protecting" their lines, their work. It's stupid, but it's definitely a common thing on this side of the pond.
 
I just got a copy of the contract to look over. Sold on limited registration. I’d like to keep him intact. How do you recommend going about this discussion?
 
When I got my dane from the breeder, it was stated in the contract not to spay her until 2 years old so that she can develop properly (look for this in a dane breeder, shows that they care about the long term health of the dogs). There was conflicting language in the contract about spay and then staying that "this is a no breeding contract" so I took it more to mean the second part. 2 years came and went and the breeder never reached out to ask if I had it done even though my wife stays in somewhat contact with them via facebook.
 
Like other people in the thread have talked about, I think breeders are becoming more aware of the negative effects spaying/neutering have, especially on larger breed dogs.

The breeder I got my male Golden from requires in her contract that owners cannot spay or neuter until 2 years of age. Around the time my boy turned 2, I asked if it was mandatory to get him fixed or if I could leave him intact, and she said that leaving him intact was preferable.

I'm not sure how helpful this is to the OP since this topic is a bit old, but for anyone who finds this thread looking for advice, I'd recommend gathering up all the articles and studies that have shown how spaying and neutering negativity affect dogs. It isn't just a matter of wanting your dog to be intact so you can potentially mate with them in the future (hell, I haven't done much with my intact boy), it's a matter of wanting to reduce risks and possibly increase their lifespan.
 
I did receive a copy of their contract and there was a clause about spay/neuter surgery before a specified time and that the surgery should not be taken lightly. I have not gone forward with this breeder since I’ll be on the process of moving when the puppies would be available. I take this to be a sign that keeping them intact may be a valid outcome
 
Here in civilized world you cannot legally make that kind of contract that would be legally binding even if breeder includes terms of neutering. The ownership of an animal transfers 100% when the deal is made. No after terms are legal after the ownership has been transferred even if they were included in the contract. I dont know about murica if anyone has ever chased that legally if the dog was not actually bred for money.
 
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Tell them you need a strong healthy animal and that there is tons of false information about altering animals. Unless there is a medical reason to do so there is no reason. Altering an animal messes up their metabolism and plays hell on their joints. If you cannot convince them, take your business somewhere else. Unfortunately that's almost all shelters policy, so I wouldn't go there (their in the business to sell and make extra money from altering). Try finding a breeder or look for ads in the paper or online. I've always had unaltered pets and they've all lived long healthy lives. I've really known the difference especially when you notice someone else's altered dog. Anyone that believes that altering animals makes them live a longer healthier life is a fucking idiot and should not own pets. Altering animals is as useless as circumcision. The U.S. thinks fucked up and ass backwards upside down.
 
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