Thoughts on making dedicated schools to teach animals language

[Natureguy27]

I think talking animals is. Closer reality than most think I also think once animals have language they can start to teach each other

Just imagine cats or dogs or horses or birds just having conversations on there own and just imagine lawmakers and other people who can't accept that animals have sex with humans
making the case that animals can't consent

I honestly think building a school for animals is possible since people can teach dogs words with buttons we can do the same In make shift schools

And just imagine as technology gets better we can give animals the ability to speak words

 

[pes]

I think talking animals is. Closer reality than most think I also think once animals have language they can start to teach each other

Which animals do you think are on the brink of developing language?

Animals do not think like we do. Some animals have a rudimentary language, but nothing as complex as human language.
The abstract concepts we use in our society are more often than not, beyond the capabilities of a non-human to understand.

The best I saw was the female dog with buttons and she is able to make a few words long "sentences".
And a parrot capable of putting together simple sentences after a teacher spent a lifetime explaining English to him.

making the case that animals can't consent

Consent is a solved issue.
Animals consent and do no consent to each other. The body language is widely known, observable and repeatable.
We just choose to ignore it to claim it is not happening.

 

[Natureguy27]

Which animals do you think are on the brink of developing language?

So I can list a few prospects meerkats have a developed language they can identify and give unique individuals outside and inside their group unique names they even have different dialects and accents the farther they are separated

Another candidate would be obviously chimpanzees they can learn and comprehend and solve complex problems and have been scientifically proven to learn sign language and attempt spoken language though with difficulties

Ravens are highly intelligent capable of complex problem solving and learning have been seen understanding exactly what humans have said about them

Saw a random video not providing as scientific prove but in this video a guy was making fun of a bird and it got angry and squeaked back at the person

The average dog understands human language as it's spoken depending on its breed if you talk to your dog often they will understand exactly what you are saying although they don't know how to respond back with the same thoughts
But have been documented trying to use words although they don't have the tools for it

Cats have been well documented to try to communicate with their owners and attempt to mimic human language

The abstract concepts we use in our society are more often than not, beyond the capabilities of a non-human to understand.

The abstract concepts we know are human are simply a collection of learned behaviors

If there was a human baby and his or her mother never spoke a word didn't show them anything else other than basic survival traits that child would be no more different than average conscious being trying survive

On that note pls describe the complex behaviors you think an animal can't learn that is deemed to complex since the goal is simple language a way to describe things not change them

Consent is a solved issue.

It's a solved issue for those who understand that animals read and use body language

It's not a solved issue for the law which requires that consent be given by a consciously aware individual that has the ability to communicate that consent


Animals on their own cannot consent definitively simply because they can not consent with a definitive language

Body language is not definitive since body language can't be recorded with context

Body language is capable of simple true or false statements

If there examples of body language being recorded then I apologize if I made an incorrect assumption

 

[creaturelover]

I think talking animals is. Closer reality than most think I also think once animals have language they can start to teach each other

Just imagine cats or dogs or horses or birds just having conversations on there own and just imagine lawmakers and other people who can't accept that animals have sex with humans
making the case that animals can't consent

I honestly think building a school for animals is possible since people can teach dogs words with buttons we can do the same In make shift schools

And just imagine as technology gets better we can give animals the ability to speak words

i feel this should be in dumpster fire

 

[Natureguy27]

Nah it's

i feel this should be in dumpster fire

It's not a dumpster question it's something you can practically do also it's on topic about sex and consent with animals and being a solution to communication issues

 

[pes]

It's not a solved issue for the law which requires that consent be given by a consciously aware individual that has the ability to communicate that consent

Which is an animal.
This is not a problem of animals needing to learn how to speak, it is our problem needing to learn how animals already communicate.

Animals on their own cannot consent definitively simply because they can not consent with a definitive language

Yet they are very well capable of communicating consent between themselves.

Body language is not definitive since body language can't be recorded with context

People living in a partnership do not give written consent to each other for sex either.
They do not even need to give verbal consent to each other.
Because you know your partner enough to be able to tell silently whether they are into it or not.

Body language is capable of simple true or false statements

That is all you need to tell someone you do not want them to fuck you. Or otherwise.

I mean the idea of this thread is interesting but entirely hypothetical.
I think the problem we are facing is not that animals can not consent. The issue of consent is solvable.
The problem is that people find sex with animals repulsive:
1. Because of religion.
2. Because they have learned to think it.
3. Because humans elevate themselves above animals for also again religious reasons.
4. Society by large does not like the idea of zoophilia. Even if consent is proven, this would not change.