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What canine vaginal safe lubes do you recommend?

Cooper22z

Zooville Settler
I have not gotten the chance have sex with my gal yet, but i want to be ready.
I am still battling the health fears and stressors due to OCD. I have come a hell of a far way and have basic romance working without stress!

I just want to make sure what i use when/if the time comes will be 100% safe for her.
I currently have bad dragons cum lube - "Ingredients: Water, Polyethylene Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, Potassium Sorbate, Citric Acid (pH adjustment)."
Is this a good lube that's safe for a dogs vaginal health / pH?


What products do y'all recommend
 
I'm working on getting you some info on this, but it takes a bit of research to put together something informative. Hang tight.
Thanks Deagle!!!

I haven’t gotten to bring myself to the level of sex yet, but I just want to be properly prepared when the day finally comes!
If you have any condom recommendations, I have a post on that as well xD
 
Lubes are such an interesting intersection between marketing and biocompatibility, and it is wise to carefully consider their use. I’ll just set some thoughts down for consideration, sticking to the medical side of things.

Disclaimer: I am not a human doc. Though some of the general principles are solid, don’t take my advice for your own body – we don’t spend much time on primates in veterinary school. Anyhow, on to lubes!

A female dog's vaginal pH should be slightly acidic, ranging from 3.8 to 4.5. Human vaginal pH is about the same 3.4 - 4.5 range–any higher and you disrupt the microbiome, cause potential irritation, and set yourself up for long term issues. Lubes are not necessarily designed with this in mind, since many of them are marketed to sell as specific narrative. A whole lot of human lubes are way too high of a pH to safely use, either for canines or humans.

Another major thing to consider is the osmolality of the lube you’re using. Higher or lower will pull or push water out of the cells themselves, damaging them, and by extension, the vaginal lining. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends osmolalities of less than 380 mOsm/kg for humans – no research that I could locate on this in canines, but the main point here is that many lubes have osmolalities that skyrocket WAY beyond the 300 range.

Staying hydrated is one of the best ways to keep any tissue healthy, including vaginal tissue and secretions, and the vagina is capable of cleaning itself via a fascinating combination of different consistencies of mucus and how the tissue itself contracts and works.

Some specific additives to avoid include:
  • Chlorhexidine gluconate – This can be found added directly into lubes. We use this as a disinfectant – in the vaginal microbiome it wreaks havoc, and having the correct balance of various bacterial species is critical to a healthy vagina. (Or any other tissue, for that matter).
  • Parabens (commonly methylparaben and/or propylparaben) — These are preservatives, but also cause vaginal irritation in human females – extrapolating to canines from this. There’s also some data out there about potential endocrine effects of high levels of these.
  • Cyclomethicone, cyclopentasiloxane and cyclotetrasiloxane — Commonly found in silicone-based lubricants, these substances are linked to reproductive harm and uterine cancer in animal studies, primarily in mice, where the exposure amounts are much higher than you would ever expect to find in any commercial product. Still, almost no research has ever been conducted to examine the long term impacts of vaginal exposure to these chemicals in women or canines. Better safe than affected.
  • Undisclosed flavors or fragrance — The generic ingredients “flavor”, “fragrance” or “aroma” represent a combination of proprietary stuff. Avoid putting anything you can’t identify anywhere in your companion, or your body, especially on delicate mucous membranes where irritation and reactions are going to be a lot more serious.
Avoid unnecessary aesthetic things like colors, fun flavors or heating/cooling/tingling features. The healthiest lube is likely to be a simple one, and as @Shemon mentioned, the simplest of all is what is already biologically provided.
 
Lubes are such an interesting intersection between marketing and biocompatibility, and it is wise to carefully consider their use. I’ll just set some thoughts down for consideration, sticking to the medical side of things.

Disclaimer: I am not a human doc. Though some of the general principles are solid, don’t take my advice for your own body – we don’t spend much time on primates in veterinary school. Anyhow, on to lubes!

A female dog's vaginal pH should be slightly acidic, ranging from 3.8 to 4.5. Human vaginal pH is about the same 3.4 - 4.5 range–any higher and you disrupt the microbiome, cause potential irritation, and set yourself up for long term issues. Lubes are not necessarily designed with this in mind, since many of them are marketed to sell as specific narrative. A whole lot of human lubes are way too high of a pH to safely use, either for canines or humans.
Oh wow; I was trying to do reading and based all of my information around a dog’s vaginal pH being 6-7 and their skin ph being 7-7.6. I have read a few things stating it’s more alkaline compared to humans. Now I am even more confused lol

I obviously trust your opinion over anything else though.
Another major thing to consider is the osmolality of the lube you’re using. Higher or lower will pull or push water out of the cells themselves, damaging them, and by extension, the vaginal lining. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends osmolalities of less than 380 mOsm/kg for humans – no research that I could locate on this in canines, but the main point here is that many lubes have osmolalities that skyrocket WAY beyond the 300 range.
Oh goodness, this is brand new information to me
Staying hydrated is one of the best ways to keep any tissue healthy, including vaginal tissue and secretions, and the vagina is capable of cleaning itself via a fascinating combination of different consistencies of mucus and how the tissue itself contracts and works.

Some specific additives to avoid include:
  • Chlorhexidine gluconate – This can be found added directly into lubes. We use this as a disinfectant – in the vaginal microbiome it wreaks havoc, and having the correct balance of various bacterial species is critical to a healthy vagina. (Or any other tissue, for that matter).
  • Parabens (commonly methylparaben and/or propylparaben) — These are preservatives, but also cause vaginal irritation in human females – extrapolating to canines from this. There’s also some data out there about potential endocrine effects of high levels of these.
  • Cyclomethicone, cyclopentasiloxane and cyclotetrasiloxane — Commonly found in silicone-based lubricants, these substances are linked to reproductive harm and uterine cancer in animal studies, primarily in mice, where the exposure amounts are much higher than you would ever expect to find in any commercial product. Still, almost no research has ever been conducted to examine the long term impacts of vaginal exposure to these chemicals in women or canines. Better safe than affected.
  • Undisclosed flavors or fragrance — The generic ingredients “flavor”, “fragrance” or “aroma” represent a combination of proprietary stuff. Avoid putting anything you can’t identify anywhere in your companion, or your body, especially on delicate mucous membranes where irritation and reactions are going to be a lot more serious.
Avoid unnecessary aesthetic things like colors, fun flavors or heating/cooling/tingling features. The healthiest lube is likely to be a simple one, and as @Shemon mentioned, the simplest of all is what is already biologically provided.
Okay, I totally understand everything else stated here. I greatly appreciate this advice. Great information.

I will try to not even go the lube route, I just wanted it as a back up just in case. But as you stated, what is biologically provided should be fine.

Thanks again for the great response
 
I know that KY Jelly is an excellent lube, so we can base on its composition :
Water, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Benzoic Acid, Carbomer, Sodium Hydroxide
source link

I wonder, however, if other water-based lubes are just as "safe".

After some research on the web, I found "Lubido", although it is water based, but it is difficult to know if it's safe :
Aqua, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethyl Cellulose, 1,2-Hexanediol, 4'-Hydroxyacetophenone
source link

ChatGPT says this :
Sodium hydroxide : this is an extremely caustic substance, also known as lye. It is a very strong irritant, and even a small amount can cause chemical burns. If a dog ingests or comes into contact with sodium hydroxide, it can cause serious damage to the mouth, esophagus, or stomach
Propylene Glycol: Tolerated at low doses in dogs. May cause hemolytic anemia or neurological disorders if used chronically or in high doses.
1,2-Hexanediol: Little research specifically in dogs; caution is recommended in the absence of specific data.
4'-Hydroxyacetophenone: Very little data available. Theoretical risk: Some phenolic compounds may be hepatotoxic to dogs.

For ChatGPT, even K-Y would be dangerous to use (Sodium hydroxide), however my knowledge does not allow me to validate or not this answer.

@Deagle113 can we have your opinion on these components of this two lube ?
 
I know that KY Jelly is an excellent lube, so we can base on its composition :
Water, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Benzoic Acid, Carbomer, Sodium Hydroxide
source link

I wonder, however, if other water-based lubes are just as "safe".

After some research on the web, I found "Lubido", although it is water based, but it is difficult to know if it's safe :
Aqua, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethyl Cellulose, 1,2-Hexanediol, 4'-Hydroxyacetophenone
source link

ChatGPT says this :
Sodium hydroxide : this is an extremely caustic substance, also known as lye. It is a very strong irritant, and even a small amount can cause chemical burns. If a dog ingests or comes into contact with sodium hydroxide, it can cause serious damage to the mouth, esophagus, or stomach
Propylene Glycol: Tolerated at low doses in dogs. May cause hemolytic anemia or neurological disorders if used chronically or in high doses.
1,2-Hexanediol: Little research specifically in dogs; caution is recommended in the absence of specific data.
4'-Hydroxyacetophenone: Very little data available. Theoretical risk: Some phenolic compounds may be hepatotoxic to dogs.

For ChatGPT, even K-Y would be dangerous to use (Sodium hydroxide), however my knowledge does not allow me to validate or not this answer.

@Deagle113 can we have your opinion on these components of this two lube ?
Sodium hydroxide is used as a Ph buffer in a ton of things from nasal sprays to foods to lubes.

The poison is all ways in the dose, the amounts are very very tiny.

pure hydroxide is very dangerous in unskilled hands!
 
I know that KY Jelly is an excellent lube, so we can base on its composition :
Water, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Benzoic Acid, Carbomer, Sodium Hydroxide
source link

I wonder, however, if other water-based lubes are just as "safe".

After some research on the web, I found "Lubido", although it is water based, but it is difficult to know if it's safe :
Aqua, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethyl Cellulose, 1,2-Hexanediol, 4'-Hydroxyacetophenone
source link

ChatGPT says this :
Sodium hydroxide : this is an extremely caustic substance, also known as lye. It is a very strong irritant, and even a small amount can cause chemical burns. If a dog ingests or comes into contact with sodium hydroxide, it can cause serious damage to the mouth, esophagus, or stomach
Propylene Glycol: Tolerated at low doses in dogs. May cause hemolytic anemia or neurological disorders if used chronically or in high doses.
1,2-Hexanediol: Little research specifically in dogs; caution is recommended in the absence of specific data.
4'-Hydroxyacetophenone: Very little data available. Theoretical risk: Some phenolic compounds may be hepatotoxic to dogs.

For ChatGPT, even K-Y would be dangerous to use (Sodium hydroxide), however my knowledge does not allow me to validate or not this answer.

@Deagle113 can we have your opinion on these components of this two lube ?
The amount of lye (Sodium Hydroxide) involved is so small as to be meaningless - It's there to adjust the pH of the overall mixture into the "neutral or slightly basic" range. It's also a common ingredient in various injectable drugs, for exactly the same purpose - pH adjustment. Likewise, it's used in some foods, again to alter the pH into the neutral to slightly basic range. If you've ever taken Bufferin brand aspirin, you've eaten it - it's part of the "buffering" system used to help prevent taking lots of aspirin long-term from giving you an ulcer (Aspirin is a double-whammy for ulcers - As an NSAID, it contributes by shutting down production of mucus in the stomach, which increases the possibility of an ulcer forming, and is a fairly potent acid all by itself)

At least until they get it dialed in better, *NEVER* assume ChatGPT knows what it's talking about when it comes to chemistry and/or drugs unless you KNOW that what it says is correct from your own knowledge and/or references you trust.

Propylene Glycol is the "pet-safe" antifreeze - Ethylene Glycol ("regular" antifreeze) is SEVERELY toxic, and in large enough doses, will kill damn near anything that's a mammal. It gets metabolized into formaldehyde, then formic acid (which is the actual "kills you" chemical - it causes acidosis, which shuts down a shitload of bodily functions), and in the process, fucks up the liver badly, and may destroy the kidneys.

Propylene Glycol is in MANY human foods - Particularly cake/bread/cookie-ish things - It acts as a sweetener, and more importantly, keeps the product moist and fresh by holding on to water, and is one of the "generally recognized as safe" additives. It's also fairly slippery. To be a significant problem, the dog would have to ingest pretty large amounts, and the most likely "Bad effect" would be a case of the drizzling shits for a day or three.

The last ingredient of your "Lubido" is an antioxidant.

The next-to-last is a close chemical cousin to Propylene Glycol, and does many of the same things, though in humans, it's usually used in skin creams and cosmetics, rather than as a food additive.

Aqua is just the preferred (since it sounds more impressive) way to say "water" in the cosmetics and skin-cream industry.

Glycerin is, in and of itself, pretty slippery, and unless you're eating it in job-lots, the worst it's likely to do to any critter is give it a transient case of the runs.

The hydroxyethylcellulose, in combination with water, and to a slightly lesser degree, glycerine, is the "Make this shit slippery as hell" main ingredient in nearly all sex lubes. It's safe enough, but again, ingesting it in large quantities would likely give you a case of the runs for a day or two.

Benzoic acid is another antioxidant/preservative/mild antiseptic, and you'll find it listed in the ingredients of damn near every loaf of store-bought bread, and MANY other food items, prescription (and quite a few non-prescription) drugs, skin creams, cosmetics, shampoos - ALL KINDS of stuff. Again, unless you're chugging it like kool-aid, the worst it's likely to do is give you the shits.

Carbomer is mostly used as a thickening agent, sorta like adding flour or corn starch to pan-drippings to make gravy instead of "watery grease", acts as an emulsifier (makes oils and water mix more easily), and if you put enough of it into a mixture, will make it "gel", rather than staying "runny". I understand that it's in SOME foods, but it's more often in cosmetics and skin-creams.
 
Propylene Glycol is the "pet-safe" antifreeze - Ethylene Glycol ("regular" antifreeze) is SEVERELY toxic, and in large enough doses, will kill damn near anything that's a mammal. It gets metabolized into formaldehyde, then formic acid (which is the actual "kills you" chemical - it causes acidosis, which shuts down a shitload of bodily functions), and in the process, fucks up the liver badly, and may destroy the kidneys.

Wood alcohol (Methanol) is metabolized to Formic acid, Glycol is Metabolized to Oxalic Acid, that gobbles up any calcium in the blood to form Calcium Oxalate that is insoluble, so it grows nasty sharp crystals in your brain, kidney's liver while depleting your blood calcium levels, and glycolic acid

 
Wood alcohol (Methanol) is metabolized to Formic acid, Glycol is Metabolized to Oxalic Acid, that gobbles up any calcium in the blood to form Calcium Oxalate that is insoluble, so it grows nasty sharp crystals in your brain, kidney's liver while depleting your blood calcium levels, and glycolic acid

Thats' a new one on me... Methanol goes direct to formic acid, but I've always been under the impression that the problem with ethylene glycol is the conversion to formaldehyde, which then gets turned into massive amounts of formic acid, which then kills you through acidosis.

Amusingly enough, last time I paid attention, the best treatment for Methanol and Ethylene Glycol poisoning is to get massively drunk and stay that way for several days - The liver concentrates on dealing with the ethanol, effectively "blocking out" the formic acid formation from methanoi being broken down, or formaldehyde being broken down, and preventing the problems it causes, giving the kidneys time to get rid of both methanol and ethylene glucol, hopefully to "OK, no big deal" level. The downside is that, based on descriptions I've heard/read, the hangover will make you wish you died...
 
Thats' a new one on me... Methanol goes direct to formic acid, but I've always been under the impression that the problem with ethylene glycol is the conversion to formaldehyde, which then gets turned into massive amounts of formic acid, which then kills you through acidosis.

Amusingly enough, last time I paid attention, the best treatment for Methanol and Ethylene Glycol poisoning is to get massively drunk and stay that way for several days - The liver concentrates on dealing with the ethanol, effectively "blocking out" the formic acid formation from methanoi being broken down, or formaldehyde being broken down, and preventing the problems it causes, giving the kidneys time to get rid of both methanol and ethylene glucol, hopefully to "OK, no big deal" level. The downside is that, based on descriptions I've heard/read, the hangover will make you wish you died...
Yup Alcohol dehydrogenase is a competitive binder for ethanol over the other two.

People thought the 2 bottles of moonshine in the box labeled "Emergency only" was a joke

You don't need to keep the person sloshed, but with no ability to monitor blood plasma it is just the best way to be absolutely sure you're drowning out the enzyme! with out looking if I recall in a clinical setting it was 10% iv drip of ethanol

Funny thing drinking antifreeze is harmless, until the liver gets to work!
 
KY classic liquid works great, contains sorbitol as a kind of sweetner but is non toxic to people and dogs. J-Lube is used in vet settings and is also safe, it comes as a powder and you have to mix it with water. J-Lube can get super slippery depending on how much you use, a little goes a long way. I find it more involved to use as you have to prep it instead of just a spur of the moment grab my bottle of KY. The J-Lube also needs a lot more clean-up on the fur.
 
I've only ever used two things:

1) OB (obstetrical) lube. Basically already intended to go into the vaginas of animals. Veterinary supply houses carry it in 1 gal jugs, so it'll last you plenty long. Little too thin and watery for my taste though, runs too easy and doesn't stay where you put it. Being water-based it also evaps too quickly.

2) Mineral Oil. I know I'll catch hell for this, since everybody's so death on oil-based anything but... honest injun? I can't say enough good things about mineral oil. Solved all the OB lube problems. Food grade, laxative-labeled, mineral oil. Its intended to be swallowed, so if it passed all the fit-for-human consumption stuff, I count it safe to go down into doggy cookie or up somebody's bum. Its available everywhere at every grocery, pharmacy, and corner convenience store, so no online ordering or waiting and no awkward vibes at sex shops. Been using it for years across everything, multispecies, and never had a problem on anybody nor myself. Equally good for anal and vaginal. Cows don't need it vaginal, but bulls, equines, canines, hogs, works great. Thicker and more viscous, more oily than KY and OB. Not water-based, won't evaporate on you, so there's no playing beat the clock trying to get done before it dries up. Necessitating you annoyingly ahem.. interrupt, pull out, find the damn bottle in the dark, clean it off, relube, grrrrrrrr. Those of us doing our deeds out in our pastures know these frustrations.


A close third when all else fails? Saliva. Theirs, mine, both. Drool into the flat of your palm if you're new, but me, I've actually developed really good headshot aim landing it directly down over my dick with my fingers cupped about an inch up above my glans, make a little well there to catch the run-off and roll it down in one fluid motion. If I'm a little dry-mouthed in the moment, they got enough to share, so drag a finger between cheek & gum of a boar, bull, or jowly drooly dog. Natural as it gets and always available wherever we are ;)
 
I've only ever used two things:

1) OB (obstetrical) lube. Basically already intended to go into the vaginas of animals. Veterinary supply houses carry it in 1 gal jugs, so it'll last you plenty long. Little too thin and watery for my taste though, runs too easy and doesn't stay where you put it. Being water-based it also evaps too quickly.

2) Mineral Oil. I know I'll catch hell for this, since everybody's so death on oil-based anything but... honest injun? I can't say enough good things about mineral oil. Solved all the OB lube problems. Food grade, laxative-labeled, mineral oil. Its intended to be swallowed, so if it passed all the fit-for-human consumption stuff, I count it safe to go down into doggy cookie or up somebody's bum. Its available everywhere at every grocery, pharmacy, and corner convenience store, so no online ordering or waiting and no awkward vibes at sex shops. Been using it for years across everything, multispecies, and never had a problem on anybody nor myself. Equally good for anal and vaginal. Cows don't need it vaginal, but bulls, equines, canines, hogs, works great. Thicker and more viscous, more oily than KY and OB. Not water-based, won't evaporate on you, so there's no playing beat the clock trying to get done before it dries up. Necessitating you annoyingly ahem.. interrupt, pull out, find the damn bottle in the dark, clean it off, relube, grrrrrrrr. Those of us doing our deeds out in our pastures know these frustrations.


A close third when all else fails? Saliva. Theirs, mine, both. Drool into the flat of your palm if you're new, but me, I've actually developed really good headshot aim landing it directly down over my dick with my fingers cupped about an inch up above my glans, make a little well there to catch the run-off and roll it down in one fluid motion. If I'm a little dry-mouthed in the moment, they got enough to share, so drag a finger between cheek & gum of a boar, bull, or jowly drooly dog. Natural as it gets and always available wherever we are ;)
Out in the pasture my largest issue is one the ewe's absolutely loves it and will take the bottle and try and eat it!
 
Lol can't say I've had a cow or bull try to steal it away, but I believe this in a heartbeat for any sheep/goat. Jack donkey makes a close second, but maybe that isn't saying much since they're kleptos in general. Donks will walk off with anything not nailed down. Leave something in the truck bed, or cab with the windows down? Gone if he can reach it. Leave tools or materials on sawhorses? If the cow didn't knock it down and step all over it, the donk ran off to the treeline with it. Leave the door open overnight and your boots in reach just inside that door? One of them out of a pair will be missing by morning. Leave the gate to the barn, shop, any of that open? Trashed. Whatever was on shelves and workbenches is now strewn on the floor. For some damn reason my boy has a real fetish for asphalt paper too. Lost count of how many times I found ripped chewed pieces of tar paper all over the yard and had to go find the roll, salvage it, roll it back up. That boy looooves tearing up 15# roofing felt. Smfh.

But anything is a donkey toy. Anything. And that sumbitch positively gloats about his thefts too -- everything he steals, is such a damn WIN for him. He'll make sure I see him doing it, triumphantly tossing his head with it gripped in his mouth and running off to the treeline to destroy the thing. And when there's nothing to steal? Well hell, there's still a pack of dogs to haze and annoy til they give chase. Fucken twisted, malevolent, big-dicked son of a bitch!
 
lol ya one donk would steal my hat, trick was not to chase him, that was the game he played.

Prob is this ewe means business, I had to fight the bottle out of her mouth more than once, even when it is her I am banging! Very interesting situation, pounding away and trying to get the lube bottle out her mouth!
 
As mischievous as some of my equine lovers have been I'm very grateful that they didn't require any lube, my pony mare definitely would have been prancing around with it in her mouth in a demented game of keep away 🤣
 
"I have not gotten the chance have sex with my gal yet, but i want to be ready.
I am still battling the health fears and stressors due to OCD."
I can't say anything really on the question or responses to said question, but I just wanted to give ya a good word for looking out for this beforehand!
Not everyone is as cautious as they should be when it comes to their friends health.
Hope ya get to have a good experience, and don't have to stress over health or anything!!! <3 <3 <3
 
J-Lube is the best choice. It is a veterinary lubricant for gynecologic examinations of animals. The base is polyethylene oxide and sugar. Absolutely neutral composition.
 

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lol ya one donk would steal my hat, trick was not to chase him, that was the game he played.

Exactly! Oh I know his game. I'm on to his ass. His endgoal was clear early on: its the chase they live for. The thrill of pursuit. Problem is, the fuckers are too smart about getting what they want. It doesn't take long for them to figure out what's high-value and what isn't. ie., what you'll HAVE to chase after them for, and what you can ignore. They hone their craft well.

I swear. An intact, bored, horny jack donk is a menace like no other. With horses its all fun and games, just playful horsey stuff. There's an air of innocence to it. Jacks are... different. There's a sinister undertone. Feels like... they enjoy watching you writhe, seethe, suffer! Almost like they understand revenge? Living with this guy is on-par with fighting rats who've figured out how to drag improvised 'tools' over to trip your traps. They demonstrate an unnerving amount of... adaptation and cunning. By then you can forget it. Every battle you wage is just spy vs spy. Shit just keeps escalating til the fights turn into unwinnable stalemates. Until now, I never understood why people used donks for livestock guards. Never believed a prey species would turn tables and go after a predator. Now I get it.

Still tho... I can't deny that the revenge/make-up sex isn't incredible :devilish: Same demonstrable, uncanny capacity for learning there too. They get downright... mouthy. Jacks are expertly skilled with their bite work. I had no idea. This was one of our best accidental discoveries. I've never seen another species exhibit this kind of innate talent. He knows exactly how the game is played. Start off gentle, mouthing my neck and shoulders with leathery lips, make it feel good like I'm getting a massage, and then... CHOMP. My flesh in his teeth, gripped and held steady, unrelenting. Him up there, peering down, all stoic and calm, condescending even, from his position of power. While I'm writhing and squirming and huffing for breath in gasps on the ground. He knows my pain levels as good as he knows his own bite thresholds. He knows how to ratchet it up, one click at a time, pound by pound, til he's just short of drawing blood. He'll hold me there, right on that edge, while the seconds tick. He does it so bad (good) sometimes I can't help rearing up and biting him back, just out of sheer exasperation, grabbing some of his chest flesh in my teeth. But that fucker, he don't skip a beat. Poker face. Unfazed. No reaction. I can chomp all I want. He won't let his grip go for anything. Fucken demented mastermind.

Shit. I ain't even into bdsm. Hated it with humans, wouldn't indulge them, refused to play their game. But goddamn... I never knew how much I loved being bitten and held down, then chased with a spear for a hard-on, til I had a jack ❤️

Wow we're all getting really bad at derailing people's threads lately. Must be something in the water...
 
The amount of lye (Sodium Hydroxide) involved is so small as to be meaningless - It's there to adjust the pH of the overall mixture into the "neutral or slightly basic" range. It's also a common ingredient in various injectable drugs, for exactly the same purpose - pH adjustment. Likewise, it's used in some foods, again to alter the pH into the neutral to slightly basic range. If you've ever taken Bufferin brand aspirin, you've eaten it - it's part of the "buffering" system used to help prevent taking lots of aspirin long-term from giving you an ulcer (Aspirin is a double-whammy for ulcers - As an NSAID, it contributes by shutting down production of mucus in the stomach, which increases the possibility of an ulcer forming, and is a fairly potent acid all by itself)

At least until they get it dialed in better, *NEVER* assume ChatGPT knows what it's talking about when it comes to chemistry and/or drugs unless you KNOW that what it says is correct from your own knowledge and/or references you trust.

Propylene Glycol is the "pet-safe" antifreeze - Ethylene Glycol ("regular" antifreeze) is SEVERELY toxic, and in large enough doses, will kill damn near anything that's a mammal. It gets metabolized into formaldehyde, then formic acid (which is the actual "kills you" chemical - it causes acidosis, which shuts down a shitload of bodily functions), and in the process, fucks up the liver badly, and may destroy the kidneys.

Propylene Glycol is in MANY human foods - Particularly cake/bread/cookie-ish things - It acts as a sweetener, and more importantly, keeps the product moist and fresh by holding on to water, and is one of the "generally recognized as safe" additives. It's also fairly slippery. To be a significant problem, the dog would have to ingest pretty large amounts, and the most likely "Bad effect" would be a case of the drizzling shits for a day or three.

The last ingredient of your "Lubido" is an antioxidant.

The next-to-last is a close chemical cousin to Propylene Glycol, and does many of the same things, though in humans, it's usually used in skin creams and cosmetics, rather than as a food additive.

Aqua is just the preferred (since it sounds more impressive) way to say "water" in the cosmetics and skin-cream industry.

Glycerin is, in and of itself, pretty slippery, and unless you're eating it in job-lots, the worst it's likely to do to any critter is give it a transient case of the runs.

The hydroxyethylcellulose, in combination with water, and to a slightly lesser degree, glycerine, is the "Make this shit slippery as hell" main ingredient in nearly all sex lubes. It's safe enough, but again, ingesting it in large quantities would likely give you a case of the runs for a day or two.

Benzoic acid is another antioxidant/preservative/mild antiseptic, and you'll find it listed in the ingredients of damn near every loaf of store-bought bread, and MANY other food items, prescription (and quite a few non-prescription) drugs, skin creams, cosmetics, shampoos - ALL KINDS of stuff. Again, unless you're chugging it like kool-aid, the worst it's likely to do is give you the shits.

Carbomer is mostly used as a thickening agent, sorta like adding flour or corn starch to pan-drippings to make gravy instead of "watery grease", acts as an emulsifier (makes oils and water mix more easily), and if you put enough of it into a mixture, will make it "gel", rather than staying "runny". I understand that it's in SOME foods, but it's more often in cosmetics and skin-creams.
Thank you for all these clarifications.
It is not that I do not trust XXX, I try to keep a critical mind, including on his answers. I even wrote it "My Knowledge do not allow me to validate or not his ANSWER".

So, if I understand you well, Lubido is as sure as the K-Y Lube. Correct ?
 
Thank you for all these clarifications.
It is not that I do not trust XXX, I try to keep a critical mind, including on his answers. I even wrote it "My Knowledge do not allow me to validate or not his ANSWER".

So, if I understand you well, Lubido is as sure as the K-Y Lube. Correct ?
A couple more ingredients, but otherwise, essentially the same stuff, yeah. The "Lubido" stuff will likely be a bit "runnier" than KY, since it lacks the carbomer, but operationally, there should be little-to-no difference that you're going to be able to detect, and chemically speaking, they're close enough to each other to be considered the same stuff anywhere outside of a mass spectrometer, gas chromatograph, or similar high-end analytic gear.
 
A couple more ingredients, but otherwise, essentially the same stuff, yeah. The "Lubido" stuff will likely be a bit "runnier" than KY, since it lacks the carbomer, but operationally, there should be little-to-no difference that you're going to be able to detect, and chemically speaking, they're close enough to each other to be considered the same stuff anywhere outside of a mass spectrometer, gas chromatograph, or similar high-end analytic gear.
You seem to know more about chemistry than I do (and many others), and this isn't my favorite subject. However, I know that chemistry can have a serious impact on our health, as well as that of our dogs.

Thanks again for your analysis.
 
I am thrilled that this thread has become exactly what I hoped it would be! A nuanced discussion of al of the different lubes and the chemistry behind them that draws on the expertise of multiple folks, not just my lonesome self xD. (And one where I stand to learn more information).
 
what are the risks of intercourse of a man and female dog vaginal sex? Is there a condom that can be used?
 
I am thrilled that this thread has become exactly what I hoped it would be! A nuanced discussion of al of the different lubes and the chemistry behind them that draws on the expertise of multiple folks, not just my lonesome self xD. (And one where I stand to learn more information).
To be honest, I did not expect to have such precise answers, despite the fact that chemistry is not my field of expertise.
Thanks again to @UR20Z for taking the time to analyze the formulation and explain it in detail, although I did not understand everything ...

On the other hand, the clear conclusion was the answer I expected.

Also, I hope that @Cooper22z did not feel overwhelmed by the influx of answer under his initial question.

what are the risks of intercourse of a man and female dog vaginal sex? Is there a condom that can be used?
This is not really the subject of this thread, but if you want to use condoms, use those without latex, their organisms do not like this material.
I have easily used sensoprene (polyisoprene) condoms without problems.
 
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