Skawdtdawg,
I have a right to respond to points that are made. Knotty95's statements were not neutral, and my responses were to rebut her statements. If she didn't wish to continue on, then no worries.
Okay, If you want to disagree with these statements, and you did, then in your mind they aren't neutral.
"I have a lot of respect for vegans who don't force their lifestyle down other peoples throats." and,
"One can very much love animals & be for animal rights but still eat meat. I respect a vegans choice not to eat meat & I expect the same courtesy in return."
By definition, knotinterested also fits the criteria of speciesist, yet I chose to not call her that because I wanted to be respectful of her. She accused me personally of saying things I never said, and using the fact that someone else on my side did so is not fair to me.
Okay, that's fair but let's look at it from this viewpoint then, When you click the like button for someone's post you are in effect advocating everything they stated in their posts and even though you may not have said it you have now become partner with those statements. You must be aware that Zoo50 has called her many things and insulted her in almost every post where he has commented in response to her posts. Through this thread you have clicked like showing your approval in around 80% of Zoo50s posts.
Vegans don't claim that a vegan has to love animals, so it's not a competition of who loves them more. A person can dislike animals and still see what we do to them as an injustice. We do point out the inconsistency in claiming to love animals (in the context of caring for their well-being) when a person causes suffering and death to them. Also, many vegans do donate to animal charities, and how much a person loves animals can't be measured simply by how much money they donate.
You are correct, there is no competition, but she wasn't trying to say that there was one either. She was just using that to further illustrate 2 points, one that making these donations shows that you do love animals, and two a defense against vegans making statements such as meat eaters are hypocrites by saying that they love animals and yet eat them. BTW this is where the vegans had called the meat eaters hypocrites FIRST before the tag was applied back onto the vegans.
In fairness, the other side often has a bad attitude as well. I think it's most fair to treat each individual as they treat others rather than treating them by the side they are on. I refuse to let how someone else on a side acts toward me dictate how I treat another person on the same side. I treat each individual on a case-by-case basis, because there are many styles of giving the same message.
A Bad Attitude should be expected because the vegan attitude, telling others what they are doing is wrong, etc., has placed them in a defensive position. I understand your thought on treating the individual on a case by case basis, but consider the double-teaming that you and Zoo50 are guilty of in responses back to knotinterested. On more than a few cases you yourself responded to posts where she had responded to something Zoo50 had stated and similarly Zoo50 responded back to her where she had responded to your posts.
You keep saying that she had attacked you and I as stated only found the hypocrite thing to be what you might have considered an attack. It was not an attack. An attack would have been to call you a moron, or call you an idiot, or on a lesser scale to tell you that you don't know what you are talking about, but none of those things occurred.
This thread in fact did get going on the topic of "vegans taking pets away", though that's not what the majority of it is now. Knotinterested made false claims against me publicly, so that's why I want to address them publicly.
I am not aware of any false claims that were made against you personally, but that is irrelevant and you have already said things publicly even though she is not here to defend against the things you have said. However, I doubt that she will return to this thread after leaving even to rebut the things both you and Zoo50 said after she had bid you both pleasant days on her departure. By your insistence saying that you didn't want to offend anyone I had thought that you were concerned whether you had insulted her and suggested that you contact her in that concern. I had thought that it was beyond the vegan vs meat eaters statements of this thread and that your concern was genuine.
I've tried to answer this as reasonably as possible.
Good Day
I have a right to respond to points that are made. Knotty95's statements were not neutral, and my responses were to rebut her statements. If she didn't wish to continue on, then no worries.
Okay, If you want to disagree with these statements, and you did, then in your mind they aren't neutral.
"I have a lot of respect for vegans who don't force their lifestyle down other peoples throats." and,
"One can very much love animals & be for animal rights but still eat meat. I respect a vegans choice not to eat meat & I expect the same courtesy in return."
By definition, knotinterested also fits the criteria of speciesist, yet I chose to not call her that because I wanted to be respectful of her. She accused me personally of saying things I never said, and using the fact that someone else on my side did so is not fair to me.
Okay, that's fair but let's look at it from this viewpoint then, When you click the like button for someone's post you are in effect advocating everything they stated in their posts and even though you may not have said it you have now become partner with those statements. You must be aware that Zoo50 has called her many things and insulted her in almost every post where he has commented in response to her posts. Through this thread you have clicked like showing your approval in around 80% of Zoo50s posts.
Vegans don't claim that a vegan has to love animals, so it's not a competition of who loves them more. A person can dislike animals and still see what we do to them as an injustice. We do point out the inconsistency in claiming to love animals (in the context of caring for their well-being) when a person causes suffering and death to them. Also, many vegans do donate to animal charities, and how much a person loves animals can't be measured simply by how much money they donate.
You are correct, there is no competition, but she wasn't trying to say that there was one either. She was just using that to further illustrate 2 points, one that making these donations shows that you do love animals, and two a defense against vegans making statements such as meat eaters are hypocrites by saying that they love animals and yet eat them. BTW this is where the vegans had called the meat eaters hypocrites FIRST before the tag was applied back onto the vegans.
In fairness, the other side often has a bad attitude as well. I think it's most fair to treat each individual as they treat others rather than treating them by the side they are on. I refuse to let how someone else on a side acts toward me dictate how I treat another person on the same side. I treat each individual on a case-by-case basis, because there are many styles of giving the same message.
A Bad Attitude should be expected because the vegan attitude, telling others what they are doing is wrong, etc., has placed them in a defensive position. I understand your thought on treating the individual on a case by case basis, but consider the double-teaming that you and Zoo50 are guilty of in responses back to knotinterested. On more than a few cases you yourself responded to posts where she had responded to something Zoo50 had stated and similarly Zoo50 responded back to her where she had responded to your posts.
You keep saying that she had attacked you and I as stated only found the hypocrite thing to be what you might have considered an attack. It was not an attack. An attack would have been to call you a moron, or call you an idiot, or on a lesser scale to tell you that you don't know what you are talking about, but none of those things occurred.
This thread in fact did get going on the topic of "vegans taking pets away", though that's not what the majority of it is now. Knotinterested made false claims against me publicly, so that's why I want to address them publicly.
I am not aware of any false claims that were made against you personally, but that is irrelevant and you have already said things publicly even though she is not here to defend against the things you have said. However, I doubt that she will return to this thread after leaving even to rebut the things both you and Zoo50 said after she had bid you both pleasant days on her departure. By your insistence saying that you didn't want to offend anyone I had thought that you were concerned whether you had insulted her and suggested that you contact her in that concern. I had thought that it was beyond the vegan vs meat eaters statements of this thread and that your concern was genuine.
I've tried to answer this as reasonably as possible.
Good Day
