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Zoophilia and Christianity

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I know that the old testament does forbid bestiality, which even then bestiality is far different then me loving my dogs and sex simply being a part of that but the new testament doesn't mention it specifically and I have been told that as having sex with dogs is a form of love, that it is completely natural, ethical and allowed as far as Christianity goes since your just loving gods creations (animals).

Is this true?
 
Well, I remember the old testament... I just don't remember someone saying that for the new testament.
I think its natural. What would be interesting is if it had something about zoosadists. Which I'm sure it may not have.
 
Well, I remember the old testament... I just don't remember someone saying that for the new testament.
I think its natural. What would be interesting is if it had something about zoosadists. Which I'm sure it may not have.
Maybe I misheard what I was told, the new testament does mention it?
 
My little look up (may be with Venice AI) shows it doesn't mention nothing about the New Testament. Just adultery, men on men, theives, etc will not inherit the kingdom of God.

This may be off topic, but marriage. Claiming for all, which I assume could be interpreted to be marriage with anything. With of course not liking adulterer

Hebrews 13:4: "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."
 
When it comes to this type of thing, I often consider that the Bible has all kinds of shit in it that 99.9% of Christians aren't doing, don't know is expected or them, and likely aren't even aware of.

Now, this can absolutely be taken as a cop out and you can very quickly get into reducing your religion to essentially meaninglessness by picking and choosing what you choose to observe, so I guess be mindful of your biases and try to check yourself before your morally wreck yourself.

Rather than shooting for absolute merciless adherence, it's probably of greater personal value to take the words, try to understand what they are trying to warn you of and teach you about and reflect if you're living up to the spirit of the word rather than maybe the literal word. I think by its nature the Bible will plant seeds of self reflection, but you should do the reflection rather than beating yourself up endlessly.

I'm not super religious but I see the value, so I suppose take what I say with a grain of salt.
 
I know 99.9% of Christians would think beastiality a terrible sin, and they would be disgusted by it. But as I've gotten older, I just think of it as appreciating God's creation. I'm not really a practicing Christian but I was raised that way, so it's still ingrained in me to an extent.

But when I see a beautiful dog or horse that's attractive to me, I don't have a problem thinking "look at this beautiful creature God made." And I'm glad he did make them.

As far as the actual scripture in the old testament, Leviticus if I recall, I think that was put there by men just as a way to punish people they thought were sick. Like "while we're writing this down, we might as well throw this in too." I mean there are other things it calls abominations, like eating shrimp, and pork I think?
 
As far as the actual scripture in the old testament, Leviticus if I recall, I think that was put there by men just as a way to punish people they thought were sick. Like "while we're writing this down, we might as well throw this in too." I mean there are other things it calls abominations, like eating shrimp, and pork I think?

Yeah, these are some of the parts that get me. Like, some of those parts seem almost definitely in there because they're trying to protect people from getting sick, so I sense that there are other things in the bible like that. Maybe they're just thinking like, hey, maybe don't bang your sheep because people are gonna think you're a weirdo and it's nice to have friends homie.

Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about so this is all from the gut.
 
Yeah, these are some of the parts that get me. Like, some of those parts seem almost definitely in there because they're trying to protect people from getting sick, so I sense that there are other things in the bible like that. Maybe they're just thinking like, hey, maybe don't bang your sheep because people are gonna think you're a weirdo and it's nice to have friends homie.

Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about so this is all from the gut.
I don't think it's said because you're a wriedo but I only got a summary and its true. Many things in there Christians should not do. Including women should not be an authority over men.

So many things in the man made Bible yet over looked or interpreted differently. Yet somehow it should be the word of God. May be God should've put details in there on how it should be read.
Oh wait. He works in mysterious ways.


Isn't the not eating pork similar to another religion? It wasn't Muslim was it? Don't mean to assume. Just the first thing that comes to mind.
 
I don't think it's said because you're a wriedo but I only got a summary and its true. Many things in there Christians should not do. Including women should not be an authority over men.

So many things in the man made Bible yet over looked or interpreted differently. Yet somehow it should be the word of God. May be God should've put details in there on how it should be read.
Oh wait. He works in mysterious ways.


Isn't the not eating pork similar to another religion? It wasn't Muslim was it? Don't mean to assume. Just the first thing that comes to mind.

if you want to have some fun with absurdities!
 
Yeah, these are some of the parts that get me. Like, some of those parts seem almost definitely in there because they're trying to protect people from getting sick, so I sense that there are other things in the bible like that. Maybe they're just thinking like, hey, maybe don't bang your sheep because people are gonna think you're a weirdo and it's nice to have friends homie.

Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about so this is all from the gut.
well it has more to do with breeding cult followers and increasing your tribes population, like any virus it seeks to multiply
 
well it has more to do with breeding cult followers and increasing your tribes population, like any virus it seeks to multiply

I suppose, I think it does whatever you let it. I really have to sit down and read that shit, honestly. I think organized religion is an ugly transformation of something that has the potential to be beautiful, but I haven't studied religious texts enough to be able to know what their potential as integrated into an individual's life actually is.
 
I know that the old testament does forbid bestiality, which even then bestiality is far different then me loving my dogs and sex simply being a part of that but the new testament doesn't mention it specifically and I have been told that as having sex with dogs is a form of love, that it is completely natural, ethical and allowed as far as Christianity goes since your just loving gods creations (animals).

Is this true?
Ask god. If he doesn't answer then either he is not omniscient and all powerful (esp doesn't exist), or he doesn't think you need his answer.

If he doesn't have something to tell you, then everybody who claims to have a message from him, including a bronze age text, is lying in error.
 
(left this in draft and wasn't sure if I wanted to post it, but anyway) Now churches say it should be 10 percent of your pay. Or least last I went. I didn't like how they wanted to show everyone how much they gave. Then there comes the part where you shouldn't judge, and there they are. Judging. IF god is all loving, then it shouldn't matter what you give.
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As far as I interpret things, I know it's wrong (as a christian) to question the validity of scriptures but from an anthropological perspective it makes sense that during the times of the old covenant, people were way more strict about anything regarding sexuality. During such ancient times, people were at the mercy of the elements, the harshness of arid deserts and purely manual labour under exceedingly harsh conditions and survival of clans and other forms of social structures relied on numbers. Sure, the more people you have, the more mouths you've got to feed but at the same time, the more people that can work on agriculture and who can make new people that'll help sustain the population.

Therefore, given that natality was such an important factor and resource for collective survival, it was then of course understandable that they wouldn't like people to engage in sexual acts that would otherwise be non reproductive as it'll be "a waste of time and resources" and also a potential distraction. Not to mention that sexual fulfillment has a heavy weight on the human psyche and therefore is an important element to be controlled by the hierarchies that lead various societies.

As such, it's no wonder that people from such eras would condemn and repudiate "sexually immoral acts" as they do not produce offspring, but we have since moved on from that. We've found ways to use what we've learned from nature to make new things to help make our lives easier and have slowly developed more advanced critical thinking skills, compassion and empathy and we have reached a deeper understanding of our nature as emotional creatures. We're beings of creation and we're the ones God inherited his creation to.

God is good, and so is his creation and all the creatures in it, ourselves included. Sure, we may have been kicked out of Eden due to the fact we commited the great sin of disobedience, but we can be redeemed by following the example of God. He came down to earth in the form of his son to both defeat death and to also forgive us all for our sins and the sins of everyone. We're naturally driven by temptation and ignorance, but we can learn and we can be better.

We're just arrogant creatures who make a lot of mistakes. In the nature that formed in such an amazing and complex universe ruled by the laws of our good natured and all loving creator, many creatures engage in all forms of sexual behaviours, from oral to anal to interspecies, masturbation, and so on yet our arrogance leads us to ignore plenty of what we see and betray ourselves by making a false sense of superiority. We do not know how animals truly think. They may as well think and feel in much the same ways we do, because we're all part of the same creation but we may just express it differently. If animals can show receptivity and make genuine emotional bonds with each other, ourselves included, maybe it's just part of it and we shouldn't feel like we're doing something wrong or abhorrent when we're just doing what we can do because nature allows us to.

After all, as long as we don't genuinely hurt each other, we can help each other and there's tons and tons of ways to do that and it all leads to good. If a new covenant could be established to free us from the old one, maybe it's time we think about it more in depth, and thank God for letting us love each of us equally beautiful and different creatures of this amazing universe in which we live.
 
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