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What it Means to be a Zoophile

EponasDevotee

EponasDevotee

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Humanity is SO very disappointing and frustrating. It's okay to murder an animal, dismember it's body and eat it but it's a criminal offense to embrace them body, mind and soul in a deeply loving relationship. Thankfully there are places on-line where we can fellowship and share our deep, true feelings about our beloveds with those that relate and understand. These days other zoos are really the only people that I have any desire to interact with...
 
What I've never understood is why sex with animals was allowed until a certain date and then suddenly not anymore. Here in the Netherlands it was not punishable until March 2010 and of course not common for most people, but after that it was banned by law partly under pressure from certain Christian political parties and considered a crime. If one of the reasons was given that any act would be an abuse of the animal.
 
There is an interesting podcast on Zooier Than Thou, S03E01 regarding religion and zoosexuality. There is so much information that I've had to listen to it twice so far. It's a long podcast though, around 2 hours, but one can go directly to the 2 segments discussing the topic at hand. I recommend folks give it a listen as it's pretty enlightening. And yes humans can be consummate hypocrites whereas most every non-human animal is 'what you see is what you get' (e.g., non hypocritical) thankfully.
 
pes said:
Religion is your answer.

Until we move past superstitious nonsense about imaginary friends who always watch us, we will not get past the gay people at all.
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China is not religous and beastiality is forbiden
 
bee18 said:
What I've never understood is why sex with animals was allowed until a certain date and then suddenly not anymore. Here in the Netherlands it was not punishable until March 2010 and of course not common for most people, but after that it was banned by law partly under pressure from certain Christian political parties and considered a crime. If one of the reasons was given that any act would be an abuse of the animal.
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I am not sure its pure christian reasons
it became legal when people were more religous then today - and there are some secular people who believe its abuse - i think it just a trend issue that today people view it as abuse
 
dartel said:
China is communist. Communist means "make all your worker drones carbon copies of one another". Any deviation from "the norm" is not to be tolerated.
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the point is that china are not religious and still ban beastiality

and funny enough - the laws allowing beastiality were when christianity was more popular in the west then today and is forbiden when athisem is on the rise
 
Actually numerous pagan belief systems/religions have zoophilia/zoosexuality as a fundamental aspect of their practices. In many instances it's specified for their 'priests'. The issue with 'humanity' today seems to be based on arrogance, ignorance and the delusion that humans are somehow superior to non-human animals (e.g., speciesism). In spite of recent scientific papers showing that we're not abusers or perverts anti-zoo dogma continues. IMO the majority of those that would persecute us have miserable sex lives and will do their best to ensure that others suffer with them. Rather than celebrate the ecstasy and joy of intimate bonding they'd rather deprive others of that experience...
 
I've been pondering. I'm relatively certain that I come across to some as 'zooier than thou' but nothing could be further from who and what I am. Yes I am VERY opinionated and outspoken but I equally realize that I'm no 'better' than any other living being that walks the earth BUT I'm also no 'lesser' either. I have a pretty simple standard that I attempt to manifest in my life which is to do as little harm to other living beings as my current state of ignorance permits. This includes my diet (e.g., vegetarian/vegan) along with the items/products I purchase/support to live by. I try to conserve and waste as little as possible. Perhaps my greatest issue with my own species (including those that also consider themselves zoophiles/zoosexuals) is our utter hypocrisy which seems to stem from being overly enamored by what we consider intelligence to be. Here's a quote I'm quite fond of regarding our relationships regarding other species...

~"We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals…For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendor and travail of the earth." - Henry Beston, The Outermost House~
 
It really sometimes sucks to be zoo in today's judgmental society.

On one hand, I know my heart like many here know there own.

When I really sat down and gave the topic considerable thought, I realized many things.

One question I asked myself is "why is this desire in me?", and I came up with several answers. Of course the mental health establishment would want to call it a mental illness, and I just can't bring myself to feel that way. Of course that would mean accepting that there's something wrong with my head.

On the flip side, I've always known that my mind works differently, and it's been suggested that I'm mildly autistic. And if I am, I can certainly willing to accept that, since I can certainly see it in myself, but I cannot come to terms that feeling such love for anything or anyone is somehow bad.

Of course there are those that would want to say that it's "unnatural", and I don't see that either. On the contrary, this feels very natural to me, and it also seems to feel very natural to animals. There again, there would be those that would argue with me on this point. What I find the most odd about this is that those that would argue this, are also those that have absolutely zero experience in this area and those that would argue in favor would also be those that do have experience.

To me that is as absurd as a toddler trying to argue with a professional race car driver on how to handle a curve at 200 miles per hour.

I see myself (as do many others) as a kind, caring person that really wants to do no harm to anyone or anything and I just can't see anything wrong with that.

When you look at the reasons others would base their opinions of zoo being wrong, what it amounts to is just another pile of opinions and zero facts other than saying "it's written here or there". Something being written by someone does not a fact make! Except for the fact that something is written.

When we say killing is wrong, that doesn't even need to be written to know that it's wrong and furthermore WHY it's wrong. That much should be obvious! Someone or something getting hurt or killed is why most wrong things are defined as wrong, but that argument holds no water where zoo and myself and many others are concerned.

The battle we fight is against an enemy of what effectively amounts to lies, ignorance, misinformation, and people seemingly having this burning desire to put their nose into shit where it just doesn't belong.

My two cents anyway...
 
Brigitte said:
It also opens the door to seeing other animals as akin to humans, which is a door many people don't want to open
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People as a whole don't like to be wrong.

You see it over and over where somebody or some group will cling for dear life and defend something that is so clearly wrong. And there's safety in numbers, so they develop a mentality that it doesn't matter if it's wrong, if enough people believe it, it must be ok.

Another one you see all the time in the dumpster fire, where instead of actually thinking about something, someone will fight about it, which to me only proves that they are more interested in defending a falsehood than learning the truth.
 
Brigitte said:
That is one of the major flaws with humans. No matter how true or false something is people will cling on to the idea because they don't want to except the truth as it's inconvenient. Just look at climate change and the people who belive it's fake
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That's a good example. Clearly things are changing. Not only is there measurable differences, but I've personally noticed some differences. I used to service large rooftop air conditioning units in Houston.

Years ago, yes my tools would get hot sitting out in the sun but not so hot that i couldn't touch them, but I went to help a buddy out not long ago, and my tools got so damned hot, I actually burned myself on them.

Which seems to suggest to me, that something has changed with the radiant heat load.
 
Brigitte said:
I have noticed that some parts of the summer are completely unbearable when just a few years ago the summer heat was pleasant
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Same here.

The real thing is that we don't really know where the line is as far as how much change is influenced by us, and how much is natural.

I usually avoid the climate discussion for that reason.

One thing I am certain of is that whether we can measure a difference or not, all this shit we are pumping out cannot be beneficial.

I'm thinking on starting a non-profit river conservatory near my home after seeing the river just covered in trash a couple of months ago.
 
Others have mentioned along the lines of "people won't accept an idea because it's inconvenient", but there are interesting studies which show that when presented with information contrary to their own beliefs, human brains react /in precisely the same way as when the owner of that brain is physically attacked/. In other words, their fight-or-flight instincts kick in. So automatically, the brain categorizes the person trying to change their views as "hostile". Since it's basic human nature to toe whatever line their culture tells them is "correct", and since zoophilia violates such a strong taboo in Western culture, I honestly doubt they reject pro-zoo arguments because they're "inconvenient". Essentially, they reject us (and our arguments) out of fear.
 
Brigitte said:
That's an interesting point. It's probably a mix of both at the end of the day with some leaning more towards fear rather then inconvenient truths vice versa
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Oh, definitely! It's also a sad truth that humans spend /way/ too much time pretending we're not instinct-driven when we totally are, we just don't notice it as much because we live in a vastly different social environment than most other animals. I forget the exact quote (or who by, so [citation needed] ) but I remember reading something that said, basically, humans evolved intelligence to compete /with other humans/. That says it all, really. We ain't special, we just instinctively hate each other enough to turn it into an evolutionary advantage
 
*monitors the discussion with interest smiling*
~"Man is just another animal. Sometimes better, more often worse, than those that walk on all-fours" - Anton Szandor LaVey~
 
Brigitte said:
I completely agree on that. Everywhere I go I see trash whether it be a plastic bag on a tree or McDonald's cups in a creek i just can't escape it. And it just gets worse every year. If i could fix one problem with the environment it would be getting rid of plastic since it gets fucking everywhere, hell it's in our water too and therefor our body's
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Yea.. and I think that our regard to our home is about on par with our regard for each other and other species
 
Brigitte said:
It doesn't help that many have a god complex that they can do no wrong and are perfect angels.
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Absolutely.. People are so scared of the words "I don't know" and would rather bullshit through answering a question.

Like they think that somehow they're going to be seen as lesser by admitting they don't know something, when the reality is actually quite the opposite.

When I come across someone willing to take another look at things and reevaluate and adjust their stance accordingly given new information, I certainly don't look down on them for changing their minds.

Changing your mind is ok when given new information, and so many can't see that.
 
One can only hope and pray! THIS is what it means to be a zoophile...

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~"Those who protect and save other animals lead the way in protecting and saving humanity and earth." – Anthony Douglas Williams, Inside the Divine Pattern~
 
I post things here on ZV one of which is the fact that I'm elderly and a great many of my physical capabilities have waned not the least of which are my capabilities sexually. It's laughable when I post something to that effect with those wanting to help by offering to fuck my beloveds. Yeah, that really helps! Are these Yahoos that clueless that I would even consider their BS? Honestly beasties and fetishists disgust me. Where are they when one's beloveds have to have feed, vet care or other support? All they're interested in is helping themselves sans any commitment or responsibilities...
 
EponasDevotee said:
I post things here on ZV one of which is the fact that I'm elderly and a great many of my physical capabilities have waned not the least of which are my capabilities sexually. It's laughable when I post something to that effect with those wanting to help by offering to fuck my beloveds. Yeah, that really helps! Are these Yahoos that clueless that I would even consider their BS? Honestly beasties and fetishists disgust me. Where are they when one's beloveds have to have feed, vet care or other support? All they're interested in is helping themselves sans any commitment or responsibilities...
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People tend to be self serving and self centered. They do what is convenient and what feels good in the moment and do not care how it affects others. Caring people do exist but they are not as common and often bogged down doing for others that do not appreciate them. Those who care are targets for users and so have to learn to not show it and to protect themselves and sometimes teach themselves not to care either. We live in a culture that values the moment, a throw away culture that if it's inconvenient toss it aside and get instant gratification somewhere else.
It is sad.
 
It's most important to embrace one's beloveds fully EVERY time one has the opportunity. Love is much more than just sexual intimacy and lust. One of my beloveds is scheduled for euthanasia this Thursday (June 20th, exactly 3 months before she would have turned 20). I'm an emotional and mental wreck right now dealing with guilt and regret which is another 'story'. The difference between a bestialist/fetishist and a zoophile is the difference between love and lust...
 
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EponasDevotee said:
It's most important to embrace one's beloveds fully EVERY time one has the opportunity. Love is much more than just sexual intimacy and lust. One of my beloveds is scheduled for euthanasia this Thursday (June 20th, exactly 3 months before she would have turned 20). I'm an emotional and mental wreck right now dealing with guilt and regret which is another 'story'. The difference between a bestialist/fetishist and a zoophile is the difference between love and lust...
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Having to make that decision is one of the most difficult things to do. It can tear your up inside. It can be one of the costs of love. I am sorry you are going through this. If you want you can PM me if that would help in any way.
 
Allow me to express my opinion. Many people think that zoophilia is only about sex, while I think that being a zoo is not about sex at all... it’s just a pleasant addition that takes your relationship to a new level. I can give an example of myself and my mare. At the beginning of our relationship (she was still little) I just wanted to protect her from everything in the world, she had a rather difficult childhood since she was the smallest of all the foals and her mother among the mares too (she is an Arab, all the others are Hanoverians and heavy ) and she was often bullied by other foals. She even has a scar from the bite of some kind of mare. When she became older, everything continued as she was kept with the same young fillies but without a mother. When I picked her up from the stud farm and brought her to the stable, I just wanted to become armor for this angel. after all, when I was choosing a horse among the young fillies, it was she who came to me first of all of them.
At first she was timid and quiet, but after a couple of weeks with me, she began to turn into a child again. Oh hell yea, imagine a filly who is 1.6 years old, and she behaves like a foal, taking her due to her stolen childhood. We spent eight months just exploring each other, with games, walks, scratching and affection. It was at this time that we began to fall in love, without sex or anything else, just wonderful feelings. and only when she was 2.4 years old and she pressed me against the wall with her butt, I realized that my girl had grown up. (And yes, she does not pay attention to male horses, since I took her from the paddock for young fillies, and at our first stable there were no males, except for one old gelding who was not interested in mares, plus I immediately limited her communication with males to zero - so I had no competition for her attention) ) Now we have been together for more than 8 years, I understand her simply by her movements, what she wants or if something is wrong - I just need to look at her, just like she me. And for me the most important thing is to be close to her, and not moments of intimacy.
Therefore, I can say that real zoophilia (not lust or the desire to fuck something living) is love, understanding, studying partners and their needs, connection - in the end, and only then sex.
 
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