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what do you think this Pandemic?

Reconscope

Reconscope

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Will it reach World Ending proportions or will it end at some point or will society break down? i wanna know what you think.

2nd question how does one post into "dumpster fire" what subjects applies into it? how do i know if something is "dumpster fire" material?
 
Tartan K9 said:
It's not that deadly.

with restrictions in place it can be contained
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then why the big hoopla? i mean there is Ebola yet no one was crying or mobbing over the next guy for supplies but a flu like thing comes along does that has lower lethality chance then Ebola does? why didnt people mass panic over Ebola vs this one?
 
i personally think the spreading from human to human theory is bullshit, i just dont see how it could spread as fast as it did with out it actually being air born.
 
Reconscope said:
then why the big hoopla? i mean there is Ebola yet no one was crying or mobbing over the next guy for supplies but a flu like thing comes along does that has lower lethality chance then Ebola does? why didnt people mass panic over Ebola vs this one?
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You can spread this one before you show symptoms, that is before you have a hunch that you carry it. Many people never get really ill from it, carrying on with their life and spreading it to others for a few days. That's why it's difficult to contain. It kills only some people. The percentage is still not really clear at the moment. My estimate is that it kills around one percent of the people who are infected, maybe a little bit higher than that. This also depends on whether we have the resources to treat everyone who has respiratory complications due to it or whether we lack the resources. In the latter case, the death rate will go up.

Ebola is much more deadly once you are infected, but it's easier to identify who carries Ebola and hence easier to contain an outbreak with a coordinated professional effort. This is why CoViD-19, despite its low death rate, has already killed many more people than any Ebola outbreak—because it infects so much more people.

We would have a really big problem if a virus combined the death rate of Ebola and the spreading behavior of CoViD-19. I hope we learn from the current situation enough to be better prepared for when such a really bad killer hits in the future.
 
azknottysex said:
i personally think the spreading from human to human theory is bullshit, i just dont see how it could spread as fast as it did with out it actually being air born.
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When you speak, cough, sneeze, or breath you release water droplets into the air. Large droplets fall to surfaces within 1 meter quickly. Smaller droplets may stay suspended in the air for a longer amount of time and travel over 1 meter, but they too will eventually settle on a surface. This is why social distancing is important. Droplets coating surfaces can live on surfaces for several hours to several days. Most people touch their face between 16-23 times an hour from the studies I've seen. If you touch a surface that's been exposed and become infected, it's possible for you to spread it for days or weeks without showing symptoms yourself.

My understanding is if too many people become infected and need serious care our country doesn't currently possess the equipment, space, or personnel to adequately provide. Hospitals are already becoming overrun, running out of supplies, people are dying in ERs waiting for beds, and in New York they've had to park refrigerated trucks outside to hold bodies. Once health care professionals start getting sick because of lack of masks, gloves, etc then the system will start to collapse and even more people will die from lack of care. So we're social distancing to try to prevent that from happening.

I don't think this is the end of the world, but I do believe it will spark a wave of ingenuity to combat further instances. Since this seems to happen every decade or two and seems to be getting progressively worse. I'd imagine more factories will be considering automation for example.

According to the CDC

The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.
  • Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
  • Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.

Edit: So even my understanding was a bit off. While surfaces can potentially spread the virus the main concern is the airborne element from being near someone. Seems like a bit of a semantics thing.
 
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knottyguymke said:
When you speak, cough, sneeze, or breath you release water droplets into the air. Large droplets fall to surfaces within 1 meter quickly. Smaller droplets may stay suspended in the air for a longer amount of time and travel over 1 meter, but they too will eventually settle on a surface. This is why social distancing is important. However, the droplets coating surfaces is of larger concern since it can live on surfaces for several hours to several days. Most people touch their face between 16-23 times an hour from the studies I've seen. If you touch a surface that's been exposed and become infected, it's possible for you to spread it for days or weeks without showing symptoms yourself.

My understanding is if too many people become infected and need serious care our country doesn't currently possess the equipment, space, or personnel to adequately provide. Hospitals are already becoming overrun, running out of supplies, people are dying in ERs waiting for beds, and in New York they've had to park refrigerated trucks outside to hold bodies. Once health care professionals start getting sick because of lack of masks, gloves, etc then the system will start to collapse and even more people will die from lack of care. So we're social distancing to try to prevent that from happening.

I don't think this is the end of the world, but I do believe it will spark a wave of ingenuity to combat further instances. Since this seems to happen every decade or two and seems to be getting progressively worse. I'd imagine more factories will be considering automation for example.
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let me just say i dont think human to human contact is the main way it is spreading, i should have been a little more clearer.
 
No worries, and you're right. Direct human to human contact isn't the main way it's spreading, but can potentially be spread through the air from being near another person. Part of me is wondering if this is the CDCs initial attempt at controlling the narrative to avoid panic. My roomie is a supervisor in a hospital and even he's been arguing with coworkers because they say "the CDC is saying it's not airborne it's person to person", but it is in fact airborne it even says it right in their person to person description. I don't understand why this has to be so complicated lol.
 
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I made my peace with it years ago. I told people and told people, "we ought to invest in medical science. This is no joke. The next big pandemic is coming, and we are not prepared." Folks ignored me, and I decided that if I stayed mad all my life, I was going to have a heart attack.

And I have been keeping a back stock of toilet paper for years. I knew folks would do this the minute they started shitting themselves.
 
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Tailo said:
Ebola is much more deadly once you are infected, but it's easier to identify who carries Ebola and hence easier to contain an outbreak with a coordinated professional effort. This is why CoViD-19, despite its low death rate, has already killed many more people than any Ebola outbreak—because it infects so much more people.
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That, as well as the fact that ebola doesn't do well outside of the body unless suspended in bodily fluids, so it's really only transmitted by direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person, and only once they start showing symptoms.



As far as the whole reaction to this goes I'm kind of in the middle ground, it's bad, and it's going to get worse, this isn't "just a flu" and a substantial number or people are going to die. I can only hope the measures governments are taking right now are more than just theater to make people feel safe and the temporary sacrifice of certain freedoms has a real impact on the effects that COVID-19 will have. At the same time, this isn't the time to panic and flood supermarkets in droves, clearing out isles of bread, milk, and water, because it'll take a lot more than this to cause a total collapse of society like so many people seem to fear right now(not to mention gathering in mass at a supermarket so you can avoid interacting with potentially infected people is some kind of backwards thinking).
 
the main point being missed here is do we want this thing to be a regularly recurring disease...like the flu...or do we want to stop it here...unfortunately the way america has responded (no testing, no immediate response..no tracking contacts) we want it to be a reoccurring disease...so once it burns out...it will come be back at christmas...maybe by then we will have vaccine and be better prepared...the flu virus came back 3 times in 1918 before we got herd immunity..so we have gotten a third "better"...think upon the bright side...
 
It's not that complicated. The more humans you have, the greater the population density, the more disease spreads. It's a natural population regulator. Think about how we've spoken repeatedly about hunting animals or they outgrow the resources and die of disease and starvation. Remember this when someone denies that humans are part of the natural world.
 
caikgoch said:
It's not that complicated. The more humans you have, the greater the population density, the more disease spreads. It's a natural population regulator. Think about how we've spoken repeatedly about hunting animals or they outgrow the resources and die of disease and starvation. Remember this when someone denies that humans are part of the natural world.
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Ikr they act like humans are god.
 
caikgoch said:
It's not that complicated. The more humans you have, the greater the population density, the more disease spreads. It's a natural population regulator. Think about how we've spoken repeatedly about hunting animals or they outgrow the resources and die of disease and starvation. Remember this when someone denies that humans are part of the natural world.
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Exactly as I said elsewhere: The herd needs to be thinned. That's the realistic long and short of it. There are too damned many humans stomping around on the planet. Somewhere in the neighborhood of about six and a half billion too many, by my own non-scientific, purely personal feelings on the subject.

Just like a starving herd of deer that has eaten its habitat bare, the weak and unfit are the ones that are most likely to die from this little party. On the "local", as in "You and me and granny makes three", level there are going to be people losing loved ones. But... <shrug> Face some reality: Those deaths were going to happen sooner or later, whether due to this "newfangled Covid crap", or good ol' fashioned kidney failure, heart attack, stroke, or whatever. Those folks who do lose granny or gramps are going to be miserable as a result - no question. And for them, it's gonna suck hard. But on the "big picture" level, the deaths that happen aren't going to amount to anything worth bothering to take a second glance at.

As of about an hour ago, the radio voices were saying we can expect something like 200K dead here in America, assuming the current trend holds. 200K out of a population of roughly 327 million. Think about that for a moment. Working in round numbers, that means one out of every about 1635 people in America is going to drop dead as a result of catching Covid. Assuming similar figures for the rest of the world (which is a fairly foolish assumption, since it's pretty well guaranteed that some places are going to see near-total annihilation of their population, while other places may well come out of it barely touched, but it at least gives us a place to stand as we try to figure out what the rest of the landscape looks like) we can scale that up by multiplying both values by about 26.2 ( 8.6 billion being a tad more than 26.2 times 327 million) - So worldwide, assuming the same death rate being forecast for us here in the USA, 200K * 26.2 = a bit more than 5.2 million dead. Out of 8.6 billion.

As I said, at the "it hit me - my grandmother died of it" level, thats 5.2 million unhappy families. On the world scale, it's like saying "That plastic kiddie-shovel worth of sand you carried home from the beach in your shoes and the cuffs of your pants actually has some meaning".
 
UR20Z said:
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Yer not supposed to be talking anything like SENSE about this incredibly catastrophic, threat-to-human-existence level plague! Sheesh... Don't you know ANYTHING?!?!?!? You're supposed to be running about in circles, screaming for the government to come save you!
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Well, I can see the tragedy; but Im also member of the Club Darwin America, I only care about my animals, my family and friends. And if you really think I would ever ask government or anyone for help or pity, you're very much mistaken. I can take good care of myself. Thanks.
 
Reconscope said:
then why the big hoopla? i mean there is Ebola yet no one was crying or mobbing over the next guy for supplies but a flu like thing comes along does that has lower lethality chance then Ebola does? why didnt people mass panic over Ebola vs this one?
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That's because our news media has devolved over the years into only talking about things that cause lots of fear. And pushing out a fear based notion on a supposed virus nobody truly inderstands is tapping into the mistrust most humans have for things they don't understand and things that are unknown.

This virus is nothing compared to other plagues that humans faced in the past. This is nothing more than our news media taking advantage of a lot of humans who are clueless about how things like virus', non-ionization radiation, brain wave frequencies, biology, neurology, and electro magnetic fields really work.

Mist humans just listen to the news and believe that IF it's on the news than it must be legit, and never ask questions to learn for themselves.
 
Tgzoogirl said:
That's because our news media has devolved over the years into only talking about things that cause lots of fear. And pushing out a fear based notion on a supposed virus nobody truly inderstands is tapping into the mistrust most humans have for things they don't understand and things that are unknown.

This virus is nothing compared to other plagues that humans faced in the past. This is nothing more than our news media taking advantage of a lot of humans who are clueless about how things like virus', non-ionization radiation, brain wave frequencies, biology, neurology, and electro magnetic fields really work.

Mist humans just listen to the news and believe that IF it's on the news than it must be legit, and never ask questions to learn for themselves.
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Thats very insightful. I love it.
 
princessjiggles said:
How do you figure? The flu kills 1 in 1000 people. This virus kills 1 in 25. What do you suggest we do to combat it? Surely we can all put in the effort to stay the fuck at home and not spread it
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No it doesn't. The actual death by C-Virus is 0.04%. That's the number that stayed steady for the last 4 month's, including China, Italy, and everywhere else. If that number is increasing today it's because it's not high enough to satisfy those perpetuating this and so they are purposefully reporting a higher death count than it really is.

There have been nurses that have come out saying that a lot of people who died of other medical things having their death certificates purposely changed to coronavirus.
 
CK4957 STD said:
Well, I can see the tragedy; but Im also member of the Club Darwin America, I only care about my animals, my family and friends. And if you really think I would ever ask government or anyone for help or pity, you're very much mistaken. I can take good care of myself. Thanks.
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BAD AMERICAN! NO BISCUIT! You're supposed to be in a full-lather panic and begging the feds to come take care of you! What the hell did they spend all that indoctrination - errr... I meant to say educational - money on while you were in school?
 
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