Vaginal with my girl, too tight, what can I do?

[Ninjakitten]

Hi, I have a german shepherd girl that is unspayed and lets me fool around with her. She's gone through three heats at least, so she should've fully matured down there.

However, penetrative sex is difficult. I cannot fit in her.

I am average circumference, which is 5", but she is still too tight. Anything I can do? Would dilators help?

 

[Ninjakitten]

Does she feel any uncomfortable during it?

No... she just lays there while I try, but I cannot fit. I don't want to push too hard because A. I don't want to hurt her and B. eventually it hurts ME!

 

[Ninjakitten]

Do you use waterbased lube?

Yes, plenty. She is just physically too tight once I am about 1 1/2 inches in. I can get fingers in, so it's the right spot.

 

[Ninjakitten]

Have you given this a read?

A complete guide to bitch sex

Credits to the Author. This is a guide, and only a guide into intercourse with female canines. This is an overlaying outline of the norm, on an individual basis conditions and situations may differ. All the advice given is from personal experience and advanced education, not second hand...

www.zoovilleforum.net

I glanced over it before. Am I basically screwed because of the pubic bone or does she have to be loosened over time? I've seen men fit in German Shepherds that are even smaller than mine and they seem to be the same size as me if not bigger...

 

[Ninjakitten]

Well, give it a proper read this time. You don't want to end up hurting your dog.

Yes, I've read it already. It doesn't tell me anything that I don't already know. Just that there's a difference between a dog penis and a human penis. Yet again, I've seen men fit in them perfectly fine. She's on the larger side of german shepherds, which the post says that nothing smaller than a collie should be considered... which she's bigger than. If you read, I've already said I don't try to force it to a point where it gives her discomfort.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

It varies from dog to dog. I've personally been with a 35lb (15.876kg) female husky before, and she pretty much had room to spare back there vaginally. Definitely a rarity for sure. At the same time I've heard of another zoo that has a female 120lb+ (54kg+) unspayed mastiff mix that's so narrow that you'd struggle to fit more than one finger in her.

About the only thing you could hope to do would be to finger her, if she's willing if course, consistently. Start with 1 finger if that's all she can handle, and if you eventually start noticing that she's loosening up add another finger. This may open her up just a tad bit more but it will potentially take weeks. You can only do this up until a point, as another person once put it, you can't expect to finger a dachshund to the point where she'll be able to take a human cock.

There are other ways of "stretching" a female canine's vaginal tract through slow progression, but I would NOT advise someone that's inexperienced trying them, as the possibility that something will go wrong astronomically goes up the less experience you have.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

About the only thing you could hope to do would be to finger her, if she's willing if course, consistently. Start with 1 finger is that's all she can handle, and if you eventually start noticing that she's loosening up add another finger. This may open her up just a tad bit more but it will potentially take weeks.

Oh, and should you try this, make sure your hands are thoroughly washed, your nails are trimmed, and your nails are filed down. That is very important.

 

[Ninjakitten]

Oh, and should you try this, make sure your hands are thoroughly washed, your nails are trimmed, and your nails are filed down. That is very important.

I make sure to do this every I finger her. I've read the horror stories of Pyometra, so I keep everything very clean.

 

[MashaSobaka]

Stretching a dog is really a gray area

A large penis swells up in female dogs during their natural mating. They are anatomically prepared for this. I think a slight "dog stretch" is acceptable.
I'm not an expert on this because I've never needed one for any of my dogs. All of them are large enough.

GSD is usually of the right size, I think that full sex will become easier for her in time.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

Stretching a dog is really a gray area because I don't think you can do that without pain.

You can do so without pain if you do it correctly. And by correctly I mean very VERY gradually. We're talking 1-3 weeks of repetitious fingering while making sure you aren't making her uncomfortable in the slightest. In fact, you'd want to make sure she's enjoying every single moment of it throughout the entire process by meticulously observing her body language and ideally bringing her to orgasm each time. If she shows any signs of discomfort at any point you are to cease immediately.

You can work a dog to make her comfortable and relax more but there is a certain point where she is not physically big enough.

Correct, like I mentioned before you aren't going to be able to "stretch" a female dachshund to the point where she'll be able to take a human cock with ease. You can loosen them up a little bit, especially the "ring if muscle" a couple to a few inches in, but you're not going to be able to go from fitting in 1-2 fingers to fitting in a 14lb bowling ball. It doesn't work that way, obviously. Some canines gals are just going to be too small and there's no way around that fact.

Is it okay to decide that a certain amount of pain is acceptable for them?

Absolutely no amount of pain is acceptable, ever. Sex should always be about mutual pleasure between any and all parties involved.

I've never been forced to do this method myself as my newfie girl is generally large enough to accept me and then some. The only time I've ever had to do something similar myself was when we went about 2.5 months without sex. She definitely tightened up a lot back there in that time, but the solution was for me to basically not insert my penis all the way in her and hump very gently. I basically stopped when things got a little too tight and did not try to go past that point. After about a week/week and a half, I was back to being able to fully insert myself into her by gradually going a little deeper and deeper into her each time we had sex. It's basically the same concept as above. The way I did it is not the way I'd recommend someone inexperienced to do it, but I know my doggy girl very well, and I know her body language very well when it comes to sex and her pleasure from it.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

That's quite a typo. I read meticulously.

Whoops, fixed. Damn mobile auto correct.

I know the concept. I could learn more on how stretching works on a biological level. I think it creates micro tears that then heal. The process necessitates pain as nerves and tissue are damaged which stimulates more tissue to grow. Doing it very slowly I'm sure helps and also pain can be somewhat masked by pleasure if done along with what she enjoys.

I'm actually not 100% sure about that, as "stretching" is often temporary. If you go weeks without any sexual contact she will return back to the same state before you were sexual with her. While some resources claim that it may be a bit painful if you're a virgin and still have an intact hymen, the majority of female canines break theirs through regular play and roughhousing generally just before to shortly after their first heat cycle. Although there are fringe cases of persistent hymens with canines.

The vaginal wall itself is very elastic, and stretching it slowly does not cause pain to most women as long as you stop when things get a bit "snug." Of course canines are not women, but they do share the same biological reproductive parts as most mammals do, at least conceptually, so most things that are applicable to women are often very much applicable to female canines as well in that regard. Like I said, it's very important to gauge her body language throughout the entire time you have any degree of sexual contact with her, and it's important not to try to rush things along. Think of it like trying to slowly shape a perpetually wet lump of clay into the shape of a vase. If you do things to quickly you'll ruin it, but if you take your time it'll eventually take its form. Being perpetually wet, eventually it'll return back to the lump of clay you started out with if you leave it be.

There are toys that can expand in size very accurately. It is an interesting theory to expand her by inserting the toy every day with very very small increases in size. My link shows one part of it. I'm guessing there is a more phallic version of the same idea somewhere. The second part is a metal piece that has 4 long arms. It goes into the hole of the silicone toy and can stretch it and make it bigger.

I'm definitely aware of such toys and dilators. However I would NOT recommend someone that's unfamiliar or inexperienced with female canines and sex to even attempt using them. As with fingers you can more easily feel if things are a bit snug or are beginning to loosen up a bit through tactile touch. However using such methods, especially alone, you lose the direct tactile touch part of the equation. And if you accidentally and unintentionally push it just a little too far you may cause injuries or discomfort.

 

[MashaSobaka]

Dog mating can be painful for the female. Nature doesn't care as long as the breeding is successful.

This is true, that's why I don't like classic mating, I definitely insemination.

Indeed, the male dog is rough and wild, but the "stretching" of the human finger is done with careful and gentle.
Of course, he need a sufficiently large dog, I think the GSD is large enough for that.