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Pros of Smoking

Well, I meant tobacco, but other things are good subjects too.
The basic pros of weed are obvious. But what about it might be a pro that isn't obvious?
 
I knew a guy, he told me about how he was rolling a cigarette with sage at a pub in England and the bartender said "I can't believe you're doing that." because it looked like he was rolling a joint. He was all innocent, saying it was sage.
I'm pretty sure my guy knew what it would look like, and he was provoking them for entertainment.
Sagebrush works better for this than sage. ;-)
 
milabue said:
Well, I meant tobacco, but other things are good subjects too.
The basic pros of weed are obvious. But what about it might be a pro that isn't obvious?
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Well personally, I like to put a bit of weed on top of my tobacco pipe myself.

For me, I use it to help my depression and anxiety, but for others weed makes that worse sadly. All depends on the person.

I've also found that being high can heighten the feelings experience when having sex, but it can also make it more difficult to perform like alcohol does if you drink too much.
 
Tobacco has a few benefits. The low oxygen environment it creates converts more testosterone to DHT, it's a much stronger androgen that increases overall testosterone reception. So it can be helpful for that. Nicotine also binds with your nicotinic receptors, the receptors in your muscles that tell them to "work". So it can give a temporary performance boost, allowing you to activate more muscular neurons to do things like heavier lifts.

biggest problem with it is tolerance. Smoking a pack a day causes your body to down-regulate the receptors ultimately leading to no benefits and a reliance on them just to be in a "normal" state. Having Something like one cigar or cigarillo is much more beneficial. It's the quantity of cigarettes that gives most detriment.

Plus there's the general uplifting energizing aspect. I'll occasionally have some nicotine instead of caffeine to avoid a reliance on either.

Tobacco is a little over-demonized. Like anything it all comes down to control, and the how's and why's you use it.
 
milabue said:
I knew a guy, he told me about how he was rolling a cigarette with sage at a pub in England and the bartender said "I can't believe you're doing that." because it looked like he was rolling a joint. He was all innocent, saying it was sage.
I'm pretty sure my guy knew what it would look like, and he was provoking them for entertainment.
Sagebrush works better for this than sage. ;-)
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When I was a teenager I tried smoking a bit of catnip. It's related to Marijuana but doesn't have the thc. Has a very subtle effect but It worked more to scratch the itch than anything.
 
Superfan said:
Tobacco has a few benefits. The low oxygen environment it creates converts more testosterone to DHT, it's a much stronger androgen that increases overall testosterone reception. So it can be helpful for that. Nicotine also binds with your nicotinic receptors, the receptors in your muscles that tell them to "work". So it can give a temporary performance boost, allowing you to activate more muscular neurons to do things like heavier lifts.

biggest problem with it is tolerance. Smoking a pack a day causes your body to down-regulate the receptors ultimately leading to no benefits and a reliance on them just to be in a "normal" state. Having Something like one cigar or cigarillo is much more beneficial. It's the quantity of cigarettes that gives most detriment.

Plus there's the general uplifting energizing aspect. I'll occasionally have some nicotine instead of caffeine to avoid a reliance on either.

Tobacco is a little over-demonized. Like anything it all comes down to control, and the how's and why's you use it.
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That's the more scientific answer I was too lazy try to remember at the moment, so I went with just the basics of how it makes me feel. Lol

Plus I've been drinking a bit tonight so I'm a little extra stupid at the moment. Haha 😂
 
Superfan said:
When I was a teenager I tried smoking a bit of catnip. It's related to Marijuana but doesn't have the thc. Has a very subtle effect but It worked more to scratch the itch than anything.
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Heh. I tried smoking catnip. No effect... of course I knew it was unlikely, but... well.. wanted to try it. The pro is that the leftover smoke actually smelt good. (even as a smoker, i have to say that stale tobacco smoke is nasty)
 
Superfan said:
Tobacco has a few benefits. The low oxygen environment it creates converts more testosterone to DHT, it's a much stronger androgen that increases overall testosterone reception. So it can be helpful for that. Nicotine also binds with your nicotinic receptors, the receptors in your muscles that tell them to "work". So it can give a temporary performance boost, allowing you to activate more muscular neurons to do things like heavier lifts.

biggest problem with it is tolerance. Smoking a pack a day causes your body to down-regulate the receptors ultimately leading to no benefits and a reliance on them just to be in a "normal" state. Having Something like one cigar or cigarillo is much more beneficial. It's the quantity of cigarettes that gives most detriment.

Plus there's the general uplifting energizing aspect. I'll occasionally have some nicotine instead of caffeine to avoid a reliance on either.

Tobacco is a little over-demonized. Like anything it all comes down to control, and the how's and why's you use it.
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I don't mean this critically, rather it's a sincere question, what are your credentials for the conclusions you just expressed; and what evidence do you have?
 
Franny&Zooey said:
I don't mean this critically, rather it's a sincere question, what are your credentials for the conclusions you just expressed; and what evidence do you have?
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Not really sure how to answer your question tbh. I don't think I really made any conclusions there. Just explained some of the things that take place. You mean go into more detail like how do nicotinic receptors work? Nicotine binds with the receptors causing them to open allowing sodium to enter; the sodium causes the muscle contraction.


Oh wait, maybe you mean this part:

"biggest problem with it is tolerance. Smoking a pack a day causes your body to down-regulate the receptors ultimately leading to no benefits and a reliance on them just to be in a "normal" state. Having Something like one cigar or cigarillo is much more beneficial. It's the quantity of cigarettes that gives most detriment."

The numbers (25 cigarettes vs 1 cigar) are just to give contrasting frequencies, as well as contrasting method (inhalation with oral absorption). I don't actually suggest a cigar / day. I'm sure it wouldn't be the worst thing, but personally I'd go days in between to fully clear the chemicals, and only use it as needed. It's just an example to illustrate the dosage being the poison. I have no idea what the optimal frequency of nicotine use would be since I don't believe any trials have been done.

No credentials. Just lots of research reading, then trying things out.
 
You get more breaks at most jobs.

You can blame your bad attitude on needing a cig.

It's the universal language, everyone knows the sign for smoke.

you can be the main character in life just like in the movies. "Yippee kiyay mother fucker *flick* kabooom!!!!!

Smoke rings , French inhale, zippo tricks. Be the life of the party.
 
Superfan said:
Not really sure how to answer your question tbh. I don't think I really made any conclusions there. Just explained some of the things that take place. You mean go into more detail like how do nicotinic receptors work? Nicotine binds with the receptors causing them to open allowing sodium to enter; the sodium causes the muscle contraction.


Oh wait, maybe you mean this part:

"biggest problem with it is tolerance. Smoking a pack a day causes your body to down-regulate the receptors ultimately leading to no benefits and a reliance on them just to be in a "normal" state. Having Something like one cigar or cigarillo is much more beneficial. It's the quantity of cigarettes that gives most detriment."

The numbers (25 cigarettes vs 1 cigar) are just to give contrasting frequencies, as well as contrasting method (inhalation with oral absorption). I don't actually suggest a cigar / day. I'm sure it wouldn't be the worst thing, but personally I'd go days in between to fully clear the chemicals, and only use it as needed. It's just an example to illustrate the dosage being the poison. I have no idea what the optimal frequency of nicotine use would be since I don't believe any trials have been done.

No credentials. Just lots of research reading, then trying things out.
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Yes, that was the most troubling part for me. Thanks for trying to explain it
 
Superfan said:
I don't believe any trials have been done
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Tests were done with athletes and chewing gums. It's not intresting.
More over the nicotine fucks up the muscles recovering.

Since the topic is cig and not nicotine alone, here's something that will shade the DHT argument (DHT that may be one of the reasons why people that doesn't breath during sleep loose their hair and have heart issues...)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25052869/
The title is simple. Cigs won't make you harder.

So here's a true pro :
Loss of smell.
It makes dog farts less agressive.
 
Flµff said:
Tests were done with athletes and chewing gums. It's not intresting.
More over the nicotine fucks up the muscles recovering.
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I know there are studies showing it can improve strength in gym -

sportsmedicine-open.springeropen.com

A Randomised, Placebo-Controlled, Crossover Study Investigating the Effects of Nicotine Gum on Strength, Power and Anaerobic Performance in Nicotine-Naïve, Active Males - Sports Medicine - Open

Background Nicotine use amongst athletes is high and increasing, especially team sports, yet the limited previous studies investigating the performance consequences of this behaviour have not examined the effects of the principal active ingredient, nicotine, per se. Therefore, we determined...
sportsmedicine-open.springeropen.com sportsmedicine-open.springeropen.com

- And other studies showing it has no effect.

What I meant by no trials is that if you were to take the above study with increased leg torque, and try to apply it for yourself; there are no further studies to determine the difference between using it every day before exercise, every other day, once per week, etc. So even in the case it may be beneficial, there's no reliable way to know how to most effectively use it.

In addition there is dosing, time of dosage, etc. A true worthwhile study would have to be very thorough and intensive, and from what I'm aware, there hasn't been anything done to that level.

Regardless, you're right this is specifically about smoking and not say, popping in a tobacco pouch, or snorting snuff. I'm not sure there's been any studies related to cigars: A Smoked tobacco but not inhaled. I'd be interested to see any differences. I could be wrong, but i think everything is either cigarettes, vapes, or smokeless.


Flµff said:
Since the topic is cig and not nicotine alone, here's something that will shade the DHT argument (DHT that may be one of the reasons why people that doesn't breath during sleep loose their hair and have heart issues...)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25052869/
The title is simple. Cigs won't make you harder.

So here's a true pro :
Loss of smell.
It makes dog farts less agressive.
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Thing about dht and hair loss is that it depends on the amount of receptors and dht available in the head. That's why there's the old cliches with bald guys bragging they're more manly. It's not entirely accurate, because it really just means they have more hormones around their head follicles; it doesn't necessarily mean they also have it in more useful contexts. Someone could be full of dht, but with few receptors in the scalp they'll keep their hair.

Idk what the erections have to do with dht. As far as I'm aware that's more related to testosterone and blood flow. Boost your nitric oxide before the fun times and pound away. I brought up dht for muscle growth

Androgen interacts with exercise through the mTOR pathway to induce skeletal muscle hypertrophy - PMC

This study was designed to investigate the effects of exogenous androgen and resistance exercise on skeletal muscle hypertrophy and the role of the mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) signalling during the process. A total of 24 male Sprague-Dawley ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It's a more powerful form of testosterone for growth. It also increases the amount of androgen receptors, so the more dht you have, the more T + DhT you can utilize. Amount of receptors is why some guys can be size monsters, and others cant. Not everybody can be a Schwarzenegger, there's a certain genetic potential. Dht helps push that potential by increasing receptor density.

Of course not everybody needs to throw on giant amounts of mass, so dht isn't plus for everyone. At the end of the day it really all depends on the person. Losing your hair? Buy some minoxidil and quit smokin. But that's kind of my whole point. How "bad" smoking is, really depends on the individual smoker. If a little nicotine high gets you pumped up and motivated to hit the gym; or keeps you awake during the odd overnight shift, have at 'er. Although let's be honest, most smokers do tend to lean toward the "bad" end of the spectrum and use it as a crutch unfortunately.
 
Ive already had to replace a lung (not due to smoking) so best I don't make it worse lol

However I still smoke weed which oddly enough has helped with the transition despite what my doctors have warned.
 
BentoBox69 said:
Ive already had to replace a lung (not due to smoking) so best I don't make it worse lol

However I still smoke weed which oddly enough has helped with the transition despite what my doctors have warned.
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Dude fuck ! Lol 😂

that makes my chest hurt.
 
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Sumpup said:
... Smoke rings , ...
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Indeed! Smoke rings are cool. I can make smoke rings - sometimes - but I have yet to make very impressive ones.
That is one of Gandalf's impressive abilities. The dwarves too, but no surprise the wizard was better at it.
 
It's a good indicator for people who are bad at decision making and have low discipline and self control. It's like wearing a sign: "I don't care about my health, the health of others and the environment. Iam an unreliable, selfish and smelly person."
 
milabue said:
Indeed! Smoke rings are cool. I can make smoke rings - sometimes - but I have yet to make very impressive ones.
That is one of Gandalf's impressive abilities. The dwarves too, but no surprise the wizard was better at it.
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'Bilbo loved smoke rings.'

Reading The first couple chapters of the hobbit is like "I need a pipe and 5 pounds of tobacco. There's a new skill I must master"
 
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