Appeal bans / un fair banning and moderation

[Goattobeloved]

also fwiw, this happened friday afternoon thru late sunday after this
so 2 days??

The way it is supposed to work is:
You should hace an "edit" "delete"(?) button in the quoted post above, because it is recent.

But if you check this older one, the button will likely notvappear at your post level

https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/looking-for-a-certain-mare-vid.132027/post-3181418

Other than that, it would be odd behaviour.
You can just go through your posts and see the point the edit botton is no longer available.

Lets see. Is it possible:
You tried tobedit a not so recent post and found the button was gone, so you think they cut your permissions.
Then you started this thread, and at that point you realize your -recently posted ones- do have the edit button, so you think they put rights back.

Did you check back the old post to find if the button was still gone?

(BTW, if you are in some groups, some rights can work differently there)

 

[knotboy6969]

You really don't want to go the route of defending underage content by "It's difficult to tell". Then you're just saying you like jacking off to models that look underage.

not defending under age content, not my point. my 18-19 yr self was always seen as 16. cant exactly go down that path without doxxing myself tho and not gonna happen lol

Mods don't vet every single porn upload. Just because it's a thread, doesn't mean it's okay.
There are plenty of thirsty users on here that will jack off to anything.

That assumption is your mistake.


So, if you see a guy murdering someone, and another guy joins in, you think it's okay, just because the police hasn't noticed, yet? Do you join them, just because the original murderer wasn't arrested (yet)?

horrible comparison, not even remotely the same context as a pic on the internet

Yes. Poor logic.


Are you admitting to ban evasion, here?

huh what?

No. Moderation can't possibly check every single upload. They rely on users to report bad content.


As stated before. The insta-ban content is only the really obviously bad stuff.

like said, if its questionable, borderline etc, someone whos older is going to see a younger person differently then someone who is younger
ex: said vid person could be 17-19, someone who is 60 will see that difference more than someone else, an 18-19 year person looking at the same thing who is in that age range may not differentiate the same way.
and since the vid was already posted they may not see an issue,

so what im saying is treated it all the same , isnt right imo. at least not without some dialog especially if its not the OP, and no other issues ever
like i said there's no age verification possible so who has the god eyes to say their view is the correct one, and the other is wrong , with out ever hearing the other person out?

im just suggesting maybe before jumping to insta bans, on secondary commenters, there could be some sort of take everything into account and assess penalty then


and no im defending CP whatsover so dont even think that, im standing up for a friend that never got to be heard, since he was never able to talk to any staff

because this forum, is nearly the only place people can go to be part of this community and feel welcomed without judgement, so when your suddenly exiled from it , and cast back out alone , now with the feeling your own community doesn't want you , because of a mistake you made you didnt even know you were making.......consider what it does to those people...

 

[Bloit]

Ugh... I and here I was thinking this discussion was over.

These bans only apply to obvious abusive / bad content.
Why are you even complaining?

You're writing so much to basically defend liking bad content...

If it's questionable, it's NOT ACCEPTABLE.

 

[ikanon]

ok, ill drop that then..

Seems hard for you..

OK Let us just catch up: You want to be able to appeal a ban you believe took place?

 

[knotboy6969]

you know what forget it im done

 

[knotboy6969]

yall can just close, delete or whatever with this

 

[Bloit]

No, don't pull out now! I just got warmed up again.

 

[pes]

im standing up for a friend that never got to be heard

Which username?

 

[knotboy6969]

Which username?

Why?

They are all the seen as the same kind of horrible pedo, to everyone apparently.


If I told you would it even matter, ? Would would you do with it if I did

 

[pes]

Well we can unban people if mods agree that the ban was not justified.
That would be a form of your friend contacting the mods.
But we can not talk to people without knowing who they are.

 

[knotboy6969]

Well we can unban people if mods agree that the ban was not justified.
That would be a form of your friend contacting the mods.
But we can not talk to people without knowing who they are.

how would they contact mods ? If they’re banned?
Create a new account?
By proxy ?

 

[pes]

You are making this unreasonably complicated.
You give the name, we review it and if unbanned he would get a mail or you would tell him.
It is not difficult to imagine several ways this could be accomplished, is it?

 

[knotboy6969]

Well we can unban people if mods agree that the ban was not justified.
That would be a form of your friend contacting the mods.
But we can not talk to people without knowing who they are.

The thing is , is that something like this is all I was asking . But before ban , if it’s not a super obvious intent to post CP , couldn’t there be a delayed ban and some sort of discussion with mods (I guess a trial ) of some sort take place and decide how severe it should be? Instead treating a person replying to a comment with a vid the exact same as someone who intentionally posted a very obvious cp

 

[Bloit]

couldn’t there be a delayed ban and some sort of discussion with mods

Way too much effort for... What?
Bans don't get handed out willy-nilly. You either did something bad, or you didn't.

Now just give pes the user's name, so he can review the ban, already.
You're doing an awful lot to make this much more complicated than it had to be.

 

[pes]

So while you give the name so we can discuss it.

Imagine the situation:
Someone posts pedo porn that has been identified before and someone else comments: Love it, get more (or something along the lines of it.)
We contact him: Why did you like the obviously known pedo video?
Him: Oh I did not know, sorry?

Is that a good proof for you or someone lying to you to save his ass?

 

[knotboy6969]

You are making this unreasonably complicated.
You give the name, we review it and if unbanned he would get a mail or you would tell him.
It is not difficult to imagine several ways this could be accomplished, is it?

To be fair , by the previous response of people I was under the assumption that it would not happen at all in any way, so yea I’m asking how , since now I’m getting a different response. Instead of just being told I’m a cp advocate

 

[Bloit]

To be fair , by the previous response of people I was under the assumption that it would not happen at all in any way, so yea I’m asking how , since now I’m getting a different response. Instead of just being told I’m a cp advocate

You were justifying liking the content by saying it's difficult to tell, sometimes...
But that doesn't mean a ban can not be reviewed.

It just means that you might want to re-evaluate what kind of porn you interact with.

 

[knotboy6969]

So while you give the name so we can discuss it.

Imagine the situation:
Someone posts pedo porn that has been identified before and someone else comments: Love it, get more (or something along the lines of it.)
We contact him: Why did you like the obviously known pedo video?
Him: Oh I did not know, sorry?

Is that a good proof for you or someone lying to you to save his ass?

Someone posted a pic in request looking for a vid.

He responded with said vid , to full fill op request,
He didnt even consider the underage thing cuz it wasn’t obvious

Then woke up to a banned .

And no it wasn’t listed in the crap porn before then

 

[pes]

Someone posted a pic in request looking for a vid.

He responded with said vid , to full fill op request,
He didnt even consider the underage thing cuz it wasn’t obvious

Then woke up to a banned .

And no it wasn’t listed in the crap porn before then

So are you going to post the name?

And by the way this whole thread is not about the general way things are handled, it now looks like it is about 1 specific user.

 

[MashaSobaka]

The editing option is available for members with less than 150 comments for 2 hours, after which it disappears. This is normal.
Unlimited for those with more than 150 comments.

Most forums are capable of the restrictions you mention (limiting comment duration, character limit, banning from sections etc), but I don't think this Xenforo is set up like that, supplemented with addons because it's unnecessary. This is a porn forum, those who are stupid get banned, those who are not can stay. It's enough if the moderator's toolbox has that much knowledge.

 

[knotboy6969]

You were justifying liking the content by saying it's difficult to tell, sometimes...
But that doesn't mean a ban can not be reviewed.

It just means that you might want to re-evaluate what kind of porn you interact with.

Just because it’s hard to tell , has nothing to with liking it . I’m gay, I watch gay porn . But have access to a lot with women as well . I don’t like women, care to watch women etc . So I it’s not my specialty as guessing ages . So yea some can be hard . Guys I’m pretty good at judging age and can get pretty close , but have no desire to look at girls so don’t have that eye . Has nothing to do with likeimg the porn

 

[Bloit]

Just because it’s hard to tell , has nothing to with liking it . I’m gay, I watch gay porn . But have access to a lot with women as well . I don’t like women, care to watch women etc . So I it’s not my specialty as guessing ages . So yea some can be hard . Guys I’m pretty good at judging age and can get pretty close , but have no desire to look at girls so don’t have that eye . Has nothing to do with likeimg the porn

If you don't like or watch the porn, you're not gonna interact with it...

And JEZUS FUCKING CHRIST give pes the user's name already!
Do you want his ban reviewed or not?

If the answer is "Yes", give pes the name.
If the answer is "No", don't give pes the name, but stop complaining in here already.

 

[knotboy6969]

So are you going to post the name?

And by the way this whole thread is not about the general way things are handled, it now looks like it is about 1 specific user.

Well we did kinda steer off course , anyway I will discuss with them , I’m not gonna hand out someone else’s name without their consent . If they say it’s ok can I just dm it to you?

 

[pes]

You can.

I’m not gonna hand out someone else’s name without their consent

They posted on the forum, so their username is not exactly a secret.

 

[pes]

And no it wasn’t listed in the crap porn before then

Do you expect us to have a list of all possible pedo porn identifiers that can exist in the future before we encounter it?
Or is it more reasonable to add things when we discover them?

 

[Mare Lover 1975]

I'm going to take a wild guess that it was probably @healthy, if so then they can stay banned.

 

[knotboy6969]

Do you expect us to have a list of all possible pedo porn identifiers that can exist in the future before we encounter it?
Or is it more reasonable to add things when we discover them?

Oh no I don’t expect that at all , that’s nearly unrealistic.

My point was was it was a ban for reposting the op, that wasn’t listed there . Which I feel should be held to a different level of judgement than someone who post the initial content, or if it had been posted in there already where someone could check beforehand

What i mean is , right now everyone is given the same death penalty instantly regardless of context or severity of the the content.

I feel like someone who’s intent is to post CP (
“Hey everyone, here’s a video a 5 yr and a Dane”)
Should be treated a little differently than someone whos commenting with a video that’s questionable.


I had already mentioned about people viewing people differently and judging ages.
But unless you’ve got a degree in human psychology as well , nobody seems to comprehend what I mean by that.

Who has the eye of god that sets these lines ? . If there isn’t something existing to go from , and the intent wasn’t in that manor . I just feel it should be given a thought before direct to ban with out any

 

[Bloit]

What i mean is , right now everyone is given the same death penalty instantly regardless of context or severity of the the content.

Why should enabling abusive porn be judged any less severely?

 

[knotboy6969]

After seeing what yall have for moderation tools . Yea your options are limited. I didn’t realize yall had such limited tools. Basically it’s either WARN or BAN , and that’s the only two options? That’s horrible for moderation.
TBH I figured a forum this size moderators would have a lot more tools to their disposal. So i understand your limitations

 

[Bloit]

After seeing what yall have for moderation tools . Yea your options are limited. I didn’t realize yall had such limited tools. Basically it’s either WARN or BAN , and that’s the only two options? That’s horrible for moderation.
TBH I figured a forum this size moderators would have a lot more tools to their disposal. So i understand your limitations

You could've just taken their word for it 5 HOURS AGO