Appeal bans / un fair banning and moderation

[knotboy6969]

Simple things first .
It would be nice to be notified your under review, if your going to remove commenting options . For example the edit function . I understand why, but the fact that it just disappears and there’s no mention of anything.

Would be nice to say “account is under review, certain permissions may be disabled at this time “
vs finding out other ways that I’m being secretly spied on ….




Next thing . Insta bans with no way to defend themselves.

Can’t you just lock the account for a bit so the person can at least chat with staff to discuss the issue ?

The main issue I have around this topic is when people are banned due to responding to a topic .
when a person responds to a topic and there is a screen shot of a video posted as reference by the op. They respond with a clip or video of that video then end up banned .
Why? They did not post the original, as far as they know that was within the rules , given the fact it was still up and visible.
Is it expected that every person go thru the banned vid list before they post any pic or video whatsoever? ( especially if it’s not even listed there until after banned)


How can someone be punished to that extent simple by responding to what is presumably a legitimate post.
But then given no option to explain even discuss it.
The original poster I can see harsher punishment, but as stated if a thread is active, most would assume it’s fine .
If that is not the case then maybe some sort of thread starting moderation needs to go in an effect .
Where the first post is either allowed or not .

Because as of rn if i see an active thread, im under the assumption that they are legal threads .

I’m just saying I feel it’s unfair for people to get banned for a reply to a post, if the first post has the original content.
At least give it an audit time . Especially for members of several years without issues

 

[knotboy6969]

Coincidentally my edit option became available again almost immediately after this thread was posted, but without any context or notification I was ever under inspection .

Just throwing this out here . Is it related because moderation techniques are being publicly questioned or just a very specific coincidence….




For the record I’m not trying to take down the hierarchy or anything, I’m just starting to notice things. I love ZV and have been around ( unofficially) for years, while referring several people hear to help them be with a community who felt alone .

 

[Fauna775]

I see what you mean. I've read the rules several times over, but I've been walking on eggshells since around November. I have no ulterior motives, but I'm a little afraid, especially since I've seen two people I'm fond of talking to go (hopefully not permanently).

 

[pes]

It would be nice to be notified your under review, if your going to remove commenting options

Commenting can be prevented by locking threads and that is for everybody.
Preventing one account from commenting everywhere without a ban is not possible.
Individual account reply prevention is possible for individual threads and it is not used by any mod to do thread or account reviewing.
Threads can be unapproved which makes them disappear temporarily for review. It is seldom used, especially for questionable content. I the OP still has the ability to reply and knows that the thread was unapproved.

It would be nice to be notified your under review, if your going to remove commenting options . For example the edit function . I understand why, but the fact that it just disappears and there’s no mention of anything.

This is a feature of the forum. The more posts you have the longer you can edit. It is not turned off or on by mods.

Would be nice to say “account is under review, certain permissions may be disabled at this time “
vs finding out other ways that I’m being secretly spied on ….

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Can’t you just lock the account for a bit so the person can at least chat with staff to discuss the issue ?

Those are usually pedo and so on. There is no need to defend anything, you post pedo porn or tell someone in pm you are a pedo, you are gone.

Is it expected that every person go thru the banned vid list before they post any pic or video whatsoever?

So you are referring to this:

Crap porn identification

Some bad/abusive porn shows up frequently. (Surprisingly it is often commercial zoo porn, who would have guessed.) So this place will accumulate identification screenshots along with links to the reports for fast reference...

www.zoovilleforum.net

And instant bans from this list are usually used for pedo porn or blatant animal abuse.
So yes, you are supposed to not post pedo porn. Even if you do not know the list, you can identify people that look very underage.
It is not difficult to spot animal abuse either.

If you praise that content in comments, you can be banned too, especially if the nature of the content is very obvious.

when a person responds to a topic and there is a screen shot of a video posted as reference by the op.

This seems like a specific case. Which one?

Why? They did not post the original, as far as they know that was within the rules , given the fact it was still up and visible.

No. This is not how the rules work. We have a report button and when you see a post violating the rules, you report it. If it is up, it just has not been discovered yet. It does not mean it is ok.

Reporting posts that violate the rules
If you see something that may violate a rule please report it by clicking on the report link at the bottom of the post or private message. Include any kind of useful detail in the report such as timestamps or pointers.
All reports are handled by multiple mods, depending on the report mods may contact you for more information.

 

[Blacksoul]

Next thing . Insta bans with no way to defend themselves.

Can’t you just lock the account for a bit so the person can at least chat with staff to discuss the issue ?

The main issue I have around this topic is when people are banned due to responding to a topic .
when a person responds to a topic and there is a screen shot of a video posted as reference by the op. They respond with a clip or video of that video then end up banned .
Why? They did not post the original, as far as they know that was within the rules , given the fact it was still up and visible.
Is it expected that every person go thru the banned vid list before they post any pic or video whatsoever? ( especially if it’s not even listed there until after banned)

Our mods are doing a great job. Read the rules about what is allowed and what is not, and you are fine. Liking or commenting on forbidden content or a thread means you are in agreement with the content, and it is the same as posting it in my opinion.

 

[Bloit]

It would be nice to be notified your under review, if your going to remove commenting options . For example the edit function . I understand why, but the fact that it just disappears and there’s no mention of anything.

That's not a thing.
You can only edit a post for a certain amount of time. And removing commenting options? Not a thing.

when a person responds to a topic and there is a screen shot of a video posted as reference by the op. They respond with a clip or video of that video then end up banned .

Those insta-bans only happen on obviously bad content.

If you say "Nice" to abusive content, or worse... Why are you here?

 

[pes]

And removing commenting options? Not a thing.

Locking threads is possible, but the reason is usually explained in the last post.

 

[Bloit]

Locking threads is possible, but the reason is usually explained in the last post.

Ah, yeah, I meant as an action taken against the account.

OP seems to be under the impression that there's some sort of shadow ban / lock thing going on.

 

[knotboy6969]

This is a feature of the forum. The more posts you have the longer you can edit.

My self as an example, myself and another member got a little heated the other day , and i only assumed my profile was under reveiw somehow.

as immediately after the incident was moderated , my edit capability was no longer available, it was just flat gone, thought maybe it was a glitch, but with having someone else and their account open right next to me i could confirm, it was only me, and given to timing it only seems logical. i was under review and it was so i couldnt change any post before they were moderated, then oddly enough or one hell of a coincidence the option appeared , minutes after this post was published

im not arguing the reason, just that it would nice to get a simple notification , saying its under review or something

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Those are usually pedo and so on. There is no need to defend anything, you post pedo porn or tell someone in pm you are a pedo, you are gone.

i mean lets be real, no body is holding up their id or birth cert for age verification so its really if you think they are too young or not. there is not a single person here that has the same veiw on age as another ( personally i know some 18-19s that look too young, just as i know some 15 yr olds that look 20) (( normal life btw, not sexually ) and yes most are obvious, but you have to agree some can be questionable, and without knowing for sure we ere on the side of saftey , totally agree.

what im saying is that if someone post a clip, pic, vid etc as the op/ thread starter...and that thread is up and active, anyone responding to that thread is under the assumption its a legal thread, so if commenter #3 responds to commenter #1 (OP) with said requested video, how are they to be punished the same as the person who posted the first one? any thread that it active, i assume it is an acceptable thread, thus any response i would send related to it would be allowed, its not my fualt as a thread responder that that post wasnt moderated and taken down
do you see what im saying here?
how is someone whos been a perfect member for years, insta banned and treated the same, just for commenting .when in reality what failed was moderation to catch the original post and stop others from being able to comment. then not even give those people a chance to talk to staff about it. could a temporary mute or hold be place on an account until its discussed maybe?


so many people are afraid to post anything here because they are afraid of one thing or another. obviously you cant verify every thread, but maybe in certain areas, a approval process should be implemented, "request" for example

 

[knotboy6969]

then someone explain to me why, coincidentally, just after a heated discussion between me and another member was shut down and deleted (moderated) suddenly my ability to edit any comment i ever made dissapeared ? and only for me but \the account next to me im staring at still had their edit ability ? then very coincidentally again... minutes after this post was created, my edit ability was available again?
it seems way to coincidental ( i also have proof of all this btw)

 

[pes]

im not arguing the reason, just that it would nice to get a simple notification , saying its under review or something

There is no such thing as account under review. Your posts loose the edit option after some time and if you have more posts it may appear again even for older posts.

i mean lets be real, no body is holding up their id or birth cert for age verification so its really if you think they are too young or not. there is not a single person here that has the same veiw on age as another ( personally i know some 18-19s that look too young, just as i know some 15 yr olds that look 20)

There is a simple rule we use for this:
If it looks underage, it is.
I have posted over a thousand pieces of porn on the forum and never had a problem with this.
If you can no say the person is of age, then the easiest thing to do is not posing it. It is not rocket science.

with said requested video, how are they to be punished the same as the person who posted the first one?

If you post animal abuse or pedo porn to satisfy someone's request, you are posting that content.
You are responsible for what you post.

its not my fualt as a thread responder that that post wasnt moderated and taken down

It is your fault. You should have reported posts violating the rules.
And even if you ignore that, you are posting content that is against the rules in your post.

what failed was moderation to catch the original post

It is physically impossible to review thousands of posts a day, so we have the report button. This is not a mod failure.

i also have proof of all this btw

I would like to see that because the behavior you are describing does not make sense to me.
If something was deleted and your post count dropped below some number, your edit time might have expired and when you posted more, it increased again.

 

[Bloit]

assumed my profile was under reveiw somehow.

Assumption. False.
They don't "lock" your account in any way. They either ban you, or they don't.

as immediately after the incident was moderated , my edit capability was no longer available, it was just flat gone, thought maybe it was a glitch, but with having someone else and their account open right next to me i could confirm, it was only me, and given to timing it only seems logical. i was under review and it was so i couldnt change any post before they were moderated, then oddly enough or one hell of a coincidence the option appeared , minutes after this post was published

I suspect you're either missing something, or misinterpreting something, here.
"Coincidence"? No, perception bias.

it would nice to get a simple notification , saying its under review or something

That's not a thing.

i mean lets be real, no body is holding up their id or birth cert for age verification so its really if you think they are too young or not. there is not a single person here that has the same veiw on age as another ( personally i know some 18-19s that look too young, just as i know some 15 yr olds that look 20) (( normal life btw, not sexually )

You really don't want to go the route of defending underage content by "It's difficult to tell". Then you're just saying you like jacking off to models that look underage.

what im saying is that if someone post a clip, pic, vid etc as the op/ thread starter...and that thread is up and active, anyone responding to that thread is under the assumption its a legal thread,

Mods don't vet every single porn upload. Just because it's a thread, doesn't mean it's okay.
There are plenty of thirsty users on here that will jack off to anything.

That assumption is your mistake.

any thread that it active, i assume it is an acceptable thread, thus any response i would send related to it would be allowed, its not my fualt as a thread responder that that post wasnt moderated and taken down

So, if you see a guy murdering someone, and another guy joins in, you think it's okay, just because the police hasn't noticed, yet? Do you join them, just because the original murderer wasn't arrested (yet)?

do you see what im saying here?

Yes. Poor logic.

how is someone whos been a perfect member for years, insta banned and treated the same, just for commenting .

Are you admitting to ban evasion, here?

when in reality what failed was moderation to catch the original post and stop others from being able to comment.

No. Moderation can't possibly check every single upload. They rely on users to report bad content.

then not even give those people a chance to talk to staff about it. could a temporary mute or hold be place on an account until its discussed maybe?

As stated before. The insta-ban content is only the really obviously bad stuff.

so many people are afraid to post anything here because they are afraid of one thing or another. obviously you cant verify every thread, but maybe in certain areas, a approval process should be implemented, "request" for example

Not feasible.

 

[knotboy6969]

I suspect you're either missing something, or misinterpreting something, here.
"Coincidence"? No, perception bias.

what am i or what could i be missing? the fact that only my edit function disappeared right after that incident

i mean it makes sense, you want to look into someone's previous postings to make sure they are up to par , so dont want them to go back and remove evidence

 

[Bloit]

so dont want them to go back and remove evidence

Posts have an edit history that mods can see.

No, you're being paranoid and frankly, unreasonable.

Like we already stated... You either get banned or you don't. There's no grey area.

 

[Oldman]

The only thing we can do is ban, spam wipe, and ban you from a specific thread. Show me, in my options below, where I can remove your permissions.

then someone explain to me why, coincidentally, just after a heated discussion between me and another member was shut down and deleted (moderated) suddenly my ability to edit any comment i ever made dissapeared ? and only for me but \the account next to me im staring at still had their edit ability ? then very coincidentally again... minutes after this post was created, my edit ability was available again?
it seems way to coincidental ( i also have proof of all this btw)

*Edit* wow. I jacked up the order in which things showed up in this post.

 

[knotboy6969]

Posts have an edit history that mods can see.

No, you're being paranoid and frankly, unreasonable.

Like we already stated... You either get banned or you don't. There's no grey area.

ok then why was it gone?

 

[Oldman]

ok then why was it gone?

The hell should i know. You either fucked up somewhere and or imagined it, your browser fucked up, or it simply timed out.

*Edit* oh! And the forum can fuck up too

 

[Bloit]

Oh, yeah, the forum sometimed goes "I don't like this user" and then posts pedo porn under your name so you get banned.
They're out to get you!

And then I mean the actual forum server. Mods can't keep it under control.
It's a cantankerous beast!

 

[pes]

Oh, yeah, the forum sometimed goes "I don't like this user" and then posts pedo porn under your name so you get banned.
They're out to get you!

And then I mean the actual forum server. Mods can't keep it under control.
It's a cantankerous beast!

Not that, but the forum sometimes does glitch. For example when I select posts I do not get the mod options for some threads.

 

[Bloit]

Not that, but the forum sometimes does glitch. For example when I select posts I do not get the mod options for some threads.

I know :3

But it's fun to imagine the actual forum server going skynet xD

 

[Oldman]

Oh, yeah, the forum sometimed goes "I don't like this user" and then posts pedo porn under your name so you get banned.
They're out to get you!

And then I mean the actual forum server. Mods can't keep it under control.
It's a cantankerous beast!

No no, thats not the servers fault. Someone let my trunk monkey out and he decided to throw some shit at certain members.

 

[Bloit]

No no, thats not the servers fault. Someone let my trunk monkey out and he decided to throw some shit at certain members.

I completely understand. You coulsn't tie'm up, that'd be abusive

 

[knotboy6969]

well all im saying is coincedently it happened right after that and logging out logging back in it was the same, letting another user log into their account on my compuer , and theirs was perfectly fine. and it was gone until right after this thread was created . so yea i may be mistaken sure , but you have to admit time wise it going away right after something like that that , then reapearing right after a thread about moderation was posted i mean , really? like i said i have proof, hours of it.

 

[pes]

Taking away edit would not help us in any way anyway, since we can see edit history.
You can delete the text you posted if you want, but we will still see it.
So the option to limit edit for a user is not needed.

 

[Bloit]

well all im saying is coincedently it happened right after that and logging out logging back in it was the same, letting another user log into their account on my compuer , and theirs was perfectly fine. and it was gone until right after this thread was created . so yea i may be mistaken sure , but you have to admit time wise it going away right after something like that that , then reapearing right after a thread about moderation was posted i mean , really? like i said i have proof, hours of it.

That's more likely to be a bug in the forum software...

 

[knotboy6969]

That's more likely to be a bug in the forum software.

ok sure then ,

but can nobody at least see from my side , how the timing of it worked out? and just for me and not my husband and his account right next to me ?

you have to admit that looking at it from this side it seems too coincidental right???

 

[Bloit]

Maybe weird, but to immediately assume the mods are up to something nefarious.... No.

 

[knotboy6969]

also fwiw, this happened friday afternoon thru late sunday after this
so 2 days??

 

[Bloit]

Dude, you can keep buggering on about whatever happened... But that doesn't change the fact that mods had nothing to do with it.

 

[knotboy6969]

Dude, you can keep buggering on about whatever happened... But that doesn't change the fact that mods had nothing to do with it.

ok, ill drop that then..