Is treatment always necessary for cancer?

As may be....and a cancer can be perfectly happy to be hosted today and kill you tomorrow. It isnt anything to muck about with, EVER. If you havent been there, stay out of it.
 
saddlebum66 said:
As may be....and a cancer can be perfectly happy to be hosted today and kill you tomorrow. It isnt anything to muck about with, EVER. If you havent been there, stay out of it.
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Yeah i understand... I was wondering if i had it (probably 3 1/2 years from now) what steps would i take if medical treatment is too much.
 
It really does seem to boil down to genetics and healthy living. However, I have always noticed that people who live a very long time have a positive outlook and handle negative situations very well, so there is evidence supporting the argument that stress leads to poor health: heart attacks, cancer, shortened life span, and mental health issues.

I would get treated as soon as possible if I were diagnosed with cancer. If they catch it early enough they can usually treat it.
 
Shouldn't this be DF?


Cancer is mutation. Mutation is the mechanism for evolution. No not all evolutionary dice are winners, in fact most are not, and when it's a bad dice throw the recipient gets to die and not pass those bad dice on to another generation.

Cancer is a perfectly normal part of all life and isn't something to be cured. It's in fact necessary.
 
dartel said:
Shouldn't this be DF?


Cancer is mutation. Mutation is the mechanism for evolution. No not all evolutionary dice are winners, in fact most are not, and when it's a bad dice throw the recipient gets to die and not pass those bad dice on to another generation.

Cancer is a perfectly normal part of all life and isn't something to be cured. It's in fact necessary.
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Tell me that when your lungs or kidneys are falling out your ureter.
 
Define "necessary"?

What KIND of cancer?

Cancer is bad news - full stop.

Cancer untreated is death, sooner or later - Full stop.

Some cancers are slow-moving enough that, depending on the age of the victim, trying to treat them is pointless - a complete waste of time, effort, and resources. Certain flavors of prostate cancer fall into that category - Depending on the exact type (there are several that get called "prostate cancer" as a cover-'em-all term) the patient can go for years, if not decades, before the cancer advances far enough to actually mean anything, or start to spread in any meaningful way. The patient will (almost certainly) die of something else before the cancer gets to the point of being more than a minor annoyance. So is there any point in bothering to expend the effort to treat it? Which is why there's a pretty standard "wait and watch" attitude towards prostate cancer these days.

Other cancers are quicker - Carve 'em out, nuke 'em 'til they glow, chemo 'em into submission, and/or otherwise treat them aggressively, and hope for the best. Glioblastoma, for example - Or pancreatic cancer. Glioblastoma 'cause it moves so incredibly fast, and tends to spread like there's no tomorrow. Pancreatic 'cause it's almost always undetected until it's far past too late. For these, it's "try to give the patient as long as we're able." and that's pretty much all that can be done. (CF. Steve Jobs, or Alex Trebek for two recent famous examples of pancreatic cancer, or Neil Peart for Glioblastoma)

Then there are the ones in between - Breast, lung, cervical - depending on when they're discovered, exactly where within the affected organ they're lovcated, and if they've spread (and how much they've done so), it might not be worth even trying to treat - all that can be done is slightly postpone the inevitable and control pain. Or it might be possible to knock it out and have a reasonable lifespan afterward. No way to tell as a "general course of action" - too individual to predict.

In short, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to offer any *USEFUL* general advice regarding cancer. It's too individually specific to even make an attempt at doing so.
 
Cancer is a virus. Like most of its brethren it is psychoactive. It CAN be affected by attitude over time. But it is not something to play with. If surgery is in your diagnosis, choose wisely, after researching those around you.
If Chemo is more likely, research the clinics that offer it. None of these are the same. Some are better than others. ASK AROUNDabout oncologists. Find a good one FIRST.
 
saddlebum66 said:
Cancer is a virus. Like most of its brethren it is psychoactive. It CAN be affected by attitude over time.
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Eh... We're gonna hafta disagree on that score. Overall health being affected by attitude? Maybe so, maybe no - I sit solidly in the "undecided" camp on that. But as far as being a virus? No. Can't even agree a little bit. A much more fitting comparison would be to say that cancer is that blob of assholes starting shit in the middle of an otherwise totally peaceful sit-in. Left unchecked, it'll start dragging others into the shit-stirring, and before too long - PRESTO! One riot, complete with windows being smashed, fires being set, cops firing tear gas and rubber bullets, etc, etc, etc.

While we know that a huge percentage of cervical cancers are *TRIGGERED* by the HPV-16 and HPV-18 viruses, we still haven't figured out the precise mechanism by which an HPV virus turns a "shiny happy cervical cell" into the the seed of destruction that will become a tumor, and eventually a death sentence if left to run its course, or why some cancers "just happen" with no observable cause. But that's not cancer being a virus - the virus is just the "match" that lights the "fire" that turns into the firestorm we call cancer.

Most cells that would be called "cancer" tend to self-exterminate through the process of apoptosis (cellular suicide, if you like) unless and until their number becomes large enough to constitute a tumor. But even then, they're still *YOUR OWN CELLS*, right down to the last "rung" on the DNA "ladder". But for some reason, they don't "behave in a civilized fashion". For reasons still unknown, they run wild, sucking up resources, reproducing out of control, and eventually crowding out the "normal" cells to the point of destroying the organ's ability to function. Which, of course, leads eventually to death. But that doesn't make a cancer cell a virus - At its most basic, a virus is a lifeless strand of DNA (or in some cases, RNA) that can get spliced into a host cell's own DNA and hijack the cell into make more viruses, which are, in turn, lifeless strands of (D/R)NA that need a living cell to be anything but a waste of the atoms that make them up. Cancer cells are your own cells, just reproducing beyond any semblance of correctness, "civility", or purpose (beyond that of "reproduce!!!!")

saddlebum66 said:
But it is not something to play with. If surgery is in your diagnosis, choose wisely, after researching those around you.
If Chemo is more likely, research the clinics that offer it. None of these are the same. Some are better than others. ASK AROUNDabout oncologists. Find a good one FIRST.
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On that part, there's exactly nothing to disagree with.
 
nekdoneco123 said:
well, there's a buttload of ppl believing a prayer will help.... or does that count as treatment?
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Alpha Cat said:
It really does seem to boil down to genetics and healthy living. However, I have always noticed that people who live a very long time have a positive outlook and handle negative situations very well, so there is evidence supporting the argument that stress leads to poor health: heart attacks, cancer, shortened life span, and mental health issues.

I would get treated as soon as possible if I were diagnosed with cancer. If they catch it early enough they can usually treat it.
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You mean how tribals and monks have a longer duration till it affects them?
 
UR20Z said:
Define "necessary"?

What KIND of cancer?

Cancer is bad news - full stop.

Cancer untreated is death, sooner or later - Full stop.

Some cancers are slow-moving enough that, depending on the age of the victim, trying to treat them is pointless - a complete waste of time, effort, and resources. Certain flavors of prostate cancer fall into that category - Depending on the exact type (there are several that get called "prostate cancer" as a cover-'em-all term) the patient can go for years, if not decades, before the cancer advances far enough to actually mean anything, or start to spread in any meaningful way. The patient will (almost certainly) die of something else before the cancer gets to the point of being more than a minor annoyance. So is there any point in bothering to expend the effort to treat it? Which is why there's a pretty standard "wait and watch" attitude towards prostate cancer these days.

Other cancers are quicker - Carve 'em out, nuke 'em 'til they glow, chemo 'em into submission, and/or otherwise treat them aggressively, and hope for the best. Glioblastoma, for example - Or pancreatic cancer. Glioblastoma 'cause it moves so incredibly fast, and tends to spread like there's no tomorrow. Pancreatic 'cause it's almost always undetected until it's far past too late. For these, it's "try to give the patient as long as we're able." and that's pretty much all that can be done. (CF. Steve Jobs, or Alex Trebek for two recent famous examples of pancreatic cancer, or Neil Peart for Glioblastoma)

Then there are the ones in between - Breast, lung, cervical - depending on when they're discovered, exactly where within the affected organ they're lovcated, and if they've spread (and how much they've done so), it might not be worth even trying to treat - all that can be done is slightly postpone the inevitable and control pain. Or it might be possible to knock it out and have a reasonable lifespan afterward. No way to tell as a "general course of action" - too individual to predict.

In short, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to offer any *USEFUL* general advice regarding cancer. It's too individually specific to even make an attempt at doing so.
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Very informative thanks
 
Reconscope said:
There are individuals who resist this cellular defect for a junkload of years.
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The short answer to your question is yes. Cancer is termed a "progressive," meaning when you get it, it doesn't just sit there and do nothing. It keeps getting worse until it kills you, which happens way too fast, or way too slow, depending.
Treatment is in various forms on a case by case basis. There is nothing else I can add to the myriad of good advice on this page.
 
Kristy said:
The short answer to your question is yes. Cancer is termed a "progressive," meaning when you get it, it doesn't just sit there and do nothing. It keeps getting worse until it kills you, which happens way too fast, or way too slow, depending.
Treatment is in various forms on a case by case basis. There is nothing else I can add to the myriad of good advice on this page.
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Its great advice really i appreciate it all
 
Cancers are like that ugly annoying mother in law.
She isn’t going anywhere until you cut that ring off that fat and desperate finger you have. But even then, it will bleed the bank dry before it’s through with you. Find it early, treat it fast. My grandfather didn’t, it killed him in 3 months. But not before costing us 300k trying to kill it, before it killed him or the families bank accounts. None the better, we lost, on both accounts.
 
Question here: does anyone know how it feels is it silent or loud? Does it make its victim wither slightly weakening them or causes massive pain?
 
Reconscope said:
Question here: does anyone know how it feels is it silent or loud? Does it make its victim wither slightly weakening them or causes massive pain?
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Google please. This is actually getting painful just thinking of it. Yes. Pain beyond anything you have experienced and the mental state your put in by it is just as bad. It’s enough to make you eat a bullet if you had felt it just for an hour.
Hydromorphone was a main stay for my old man till his end.
 
Bloodwolf said:
Google please. This is actually getting painful just thinking of it. Yes. Pain beyond anything you have experienced and the mental state your put in by it is just as bad. It’s enough to make you eat a bullet if you had felt it just for an hour.
Hydromorphone was a main stay for my old man till his end.
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I'm sorry, Bloodwolf.
 
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