Should Zoo video's carry a Disclaimer?

Bigpaws_Bear

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Should we follow Hollywood's example and Add a disclaimer to Zoo content videos stating that "no animals were harmed in the process of making this movie?"
 
Do you suggest that as sort of a joke or as a genuine aid? Because I'm behind it either way :p
 
No it's not some kind of joke, I was thinking that people assume zoo's are Hurting animals.
So I thought, why not do what Hollywood does. assert that no animals were hurt/injured.
Makes sense, yeah.
Still seems kinda funny though. Just how we know that it doesn't hurt them, that it's frankly ridiculous to think that it does, but we need to remind people of that. It's just a bit ironic.
Although, I could definitely do with something like that to know when a situation is forced or not. Especially with with two different non-humans or same-species straight mating. It'd be nice to know straight-up that they just got together naturally, instead of looking closer and realising I've been enjoying a video of rape.
 
Nifty idea. With a major flaw that pretty much anybody ought to be able to see:

The response from "Joe Public" will be quite predictable - the exact words might vary, but the sense will be the same: "Of course those animal raping perverts would say that!"

there will ALWAYS be folks like that, don't matter what topic.
you can bet yer flat earth on it.. lol
 
Putting aside your (out of place) attempt at funny, what stops slimebags like Dog69er or any of the rest of the assholes that made material for that snuff site - what was it called? Animal nightmare, or something like that? - from pasting your handy-dandy "no animals were harmed" onto whatever rape/bondage/torture material they pitch out there?

Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And you can bet that sure as rain falls from the sky and shit stinks, such an announcement will get pasted onto every piece of material that has an animal in it, no matter what kind of force, mistreatment, or outright torture is involved in the making of it.
 
Putting aside your (out of place) attempt at funny, what stops slimebags like Dog69er or any of the rest of the assholes that made material for that snuff site - what was it called? Animal nightmare, or something like that? - from pasting your handy-dandy "no animals were harmed" onto whatever rape/bondage/torture material they pitch out there?

Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And you can bet that sure as rain falls from the sky and shit stinks, such an announcement will get pasted onto every piece of material that has an animal in it, no matter what kind of force, mistreatment, or outright torture is involved in the making of it.


Please wipe the foam from your mouth, it was merely a thought experiment.

BTW I have never seen nor heard of Dog69er, or any animal snuff sites, because that's not something I would be interested in at all.
 
Putting aside your (out of place) attempt at funny, what stops slimebags like Dog69er or any of the rest of the assholes that made material for that snuff site - what was it called? Animal nightmare, or something like that? - from pasting your handy-dandy "no animals were harmed" onto whatever rape/bondage/torture material they pitch out there?

Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And you can bet that sure as rain falls from the sky and shit stinks, such an announcement will get pasted onto every piece of material that has an animal in it, no matter what kind of force, mistreatment, or outright torture is involved in the making of it.
I like your passion, but it's alright. People could definitely see through the lie of an extreme like that, and they'll have us fighting to see them brought to justice to prove it.
 
Please wipe the foam from your mouth, it was merely a thought experiment.

BTW I have never seen nor heard of Dog69er, or any animal snuff sites, because that's not something I would be interested in at all.

It's not a matter of "interest" - I'm quite certain that, whether you realize it or not, you've seen dog69er's stuff. Ever seen the GSD fucking the ewe (not the one posted elsewhere on this site - that one is a totally different vid, and there's no question that both parties in it are, if not enjoying it, at least not under any duress)? In the dog69er version, it's shot so that it's hard to be absolutely certain, but it looks a whole lot like the ewe is roped to the wall so she can't leave, while the dog is, at best, about halfway interested, so a human gives a "helping hand" by jacking him off, then shoving his dick into the ewe for him. That's one of his. One of his milder items, in all truth... Many of the "gay dogs mating" vids are also his, and every single one of them is a rape scene, regardless of the claims - the bottom is always muzzled and bound, for starters. His crap is basically impossible to avoid, since he was pretty prolific, and there are a scary-huge number of imbeciles who think his style of stuff was cool, and keep reposting it here, there, and everywhere.

The website I mentioned was one of those sites on <cue dramatic scary music>THE DARK WEB!<cut dramatic scary music>. I never actually saw the site itself before it got nuked, thankfully, but stuff grabbed from it (or so the posters stated) was often posted over on ***** before they got taken out, and it was ... Well, the kindest word I can use is "Disgusting". One of the most disturbing pieces that I've ever had the misfortune to stumble across was either a doberman, or an extremely emaciated rotty (hard to tell for certain which) bitch roped down over a log and being sodomized with the splintered end of a baseball bat that had been jaggedly broken off at the handle. Her anus was clearly ripped and bleeding profusely, and shreds of tissue that I can only assume were her intestines were dangling out as she screamed and struggled to escape and find someplace to curl up and die. There's no question in my mind that she was fatally injured - you don't shove almost 2 feet of splintered baseball bat up a dog's ass and expect it to live... The part that terrifies me is that SUPPOSEDLY, that was "mild" stuff by the standards of the crowd who hung there and/or transported the shit those freaks posted over to *****.
 
No it's not some kind of joke, I was thinking that people assume zoo's are Hurting animals.
So I thought, why not do what Hollywood does. assert that no animals were hurt/injured.
Well, like it was already said, it's easy to just say this. If that was some kind of standard for zoo porn, everybody creating that stuff would be claiming that. The zeta principles 20 years ago kinda had the same idea in mind, preventing animals from being abused by some kind of zoo porn industry, in the end every bestialist claimed he was 100% behind the principles, except they weren't.
 
And what about all the old stuff floating around before the disclaimer days? Who should put a disclaimer on that when the original makers are nowhere to be found
 
It's not a matter of "interest" - I'm quite certain that, whether you realize it or not, you've seen dog69er's stuff. Ever seen the GSD fucking the ewe (not the one posted elsewhere on this site - that one is a totally different vid, and there's no question that both parties in it are, if not enjoying it, at least not under any duress)? In the dog69er version, it's shot so that it's hard to be absolutely certain, but it looks a whole lot like the ewe is roped to the wall so she can't leave, while the dog is, at best, about halfway interested, so a human gives a "helping hand" by jacking him off, then shoving his dick into the ewe for him. That's one of his. One of his milder items, in all truth... Many of the "gay dogs mating" vids are also his, and every single one of them is a rape scene, regardless of the claims - the bottom is always muzzled and bound, for starters. His crap is basically impossible to avoid, since he was pretty prolific, and there are a scary-huge number of imbeciles who think his style of stuff was cool, and keep reposting it here, there, and everywhere.

The website I mentioned was one of those sites on <cue dramatic scary music>THE DARK WEB!<cut dramatic scary music>. I never actually saw the site itself before it got nuked, thankfully, but stuff grabbed from it (or so the posters stated) was often posted over on ***** before they got taken out, and it was ... Well, the kindest word I can use is "Disgusting". One of the most disturbing pieces that I've ever had the misfortune to stumble across was either a doberman, or an extremely emaciated rotty (hard to tell for certain which) bitch roped down over a log and being sodomized with the splintered end of a baseball bat that had been jaggedly broken off at the handle. Her anus was clearly ripped and bleeding profusely, and shreds of tissue that I can only assume were her intestines were dangling out as she screamed and struggled to escape and find someplace to curl up and die. There's no question in my mind that she was fatally injured - you don't shove almost 2 feet of splintered baseball bat up a dog's ass and expect it to live... The part that terrifies me is that SUPPOSEDLY, that was "mild" stuff by the standards of the crowd who hung there and/or transported the shit those freaks posted over to *****.

thank you for explaining it, cuz I never go to ***** either. or the Dark web.
 
Precisely my point. Lotsa luck finding that "somebody"...
Maybe we should like... make an organisation? Attach their name to these disclaimers? I know it won't be considered "valid" be any aggressive non-zoos, but it would still be valid for us, and that's really the best we can hope for.

Maybe each approved video and image can be assigned a number that can be looked up in an official database, so as to prevent people making fake approval messages.

Obviously it's just spitballing and would probably involve a lot of work, but hey, just throwing it out there.
 
Maybe we should like... make an organisation? Attach their name to these disclaimers? I know it won't be considered "valid" be any aggressive non-zoos, but it would still be valid for us, and that's really the best we can hope for.

Maybe each approved video and image can be assigned a number that can be looked up in an official database, so as to prevent people making fake approval messages.

Obviously it's just spitballing and would probably involve a lot of work, but hey, just throwing it out there.
Sounds like a pretty bad idea. Organisations like these might be easy to target for authorities also labels can always be faked. There is simply no validity in those messages.
The best think would be using common sense. Look if the animal is in pain, if it is forced or if it enjoys him/herself. But most people watching porn won't care about that either way, as long as the presented subject arouses them. That's the naked truth about porn. As long as somebody has a willing suspense of disbelief, anything goes. Also ignorance toward the natural behaviour of specific species might create the illusion an animal wants specific activities. That's why some abusive material keeps being spread around.

I guess the best thing we could do, honestly, would be calling out bad material and explain to people why it's bad. That way we also see who cares about the welfare of animals and who only cares for their personal kicks...
 
Gonna play a bit of "Devils Advocate" here...

Watching as this discussion progresses, I see many parallels to other things, products of all kinds are counterfeited all the time, explain to me how this is any different than any of those "products"? As far as I can tell there is ZERO difference.

All kinds of products are "mislabeled", "Counterfeited", and misrepresented. from clothing, to perfumes, and even health care products.
you cannot control everyone, someone is always going to try & cheat any regulatory system.
usually to make a higher profit margin.
 
Gonna play a bit of "Devils Advocate" here...

Watching as this discussion progresses, I see many parallels to other things, products of all kinds are counterfeited all the time, explain to me how this is any different than any of those "products"? As far as I can tell there is ZERO difference.

All kinds of products are "mislabeled", "Counterfeited", and misrepresented. from clothing, to perfumes, and even health care products.
you cannot control everyone, someone is always going to try & cheat any regulatory system.
usually to make a higher profit margin.
Exactly.

And the products you mentioned are legal ones. They are protected by certain lables and the producer is liable for its truthfulness, so counterfeited items are banned and will be destroyed, if found out.

The same doesn't apply to porn, especially zoo-porn. That stuff is not exactly legal in most countries to begin with. And no non-zoo would ever care to try to protect "good zoo porn" from "bad zoo porn". For them all that stuff is "bad".

It's our job as a community with similar interests to safeguard animals, and to call out exploitation and abusive material and shun that stuff. Because it is in our own interest to be seen in the best light possible, even if that means we have to address the black sheep in our own community. But puting a "no animal seems to be harmed, there is no torture shown, all animals are fine!" label on porn just won't work. It will never work as anything other than trying desperately to appeal to non-zoos and coming over as being pretentious.

It is a given that even the most dedicated of us are a bit biased. We want the animals in porn to be fine and if we see no forceful act on camera, it doesn't exist for us. But we know next to nothing about how the videos came into being and what happened behind the camera. How could we judge if what we see is as "animal-friendly" as we want to say it is? We could never be sure unless we were around when the material in question was produced, which for the most of us won't be true.

We just need to realize we just rely on word of mouth, there simply is no simple solution to tell the good from the bad stuff. Slapping lables on stuff won't help any animal, it won't make us look better in the eyes of the rest of the world and it won't stop anyone to simply copy any lable applied, tricking even more horny zoos into thinking, that some abusive stuff is good or harmless, since it has that specific lable on it.

Labels also just deal with the symptoms of abusive porn and not with the roots of it. The only way to ensure "good" porn would be to create it locally, while deeply caring about the animals involved and to distribute it freely, not letting it end up on those pay sites "private" sections. Anything else couldn't really be "controlled". That's the most simple truth. You have to destroy the market for bad content, if you want to stop it being produced. In any other case it keeps getting produced on the shoulders of easily falsified lables.
 
After seeing a few clips I wonder if should also say
"no women were harmed or forced to participate and have been paid fairly.
 
I also don't think it would hurt anyone to do so. And that's basically the point. It isn't a hassle, easy to do and so everyone would just do it (if people cared enough about the lable to begin with), so all videos might be labled in the end and that "action" would have accomplished absolutely nothing, except creating a false sense of satisfaction in the watcher. "If it says no animal was harmed, then it must be true, otherwise the video wouldn't say it..." Again, who can really confirm it?

I just think the development just puts the cart before the horse by helping to turn a blind eye to abusive videos by focussing on the harmless stuff and trying to tie a bow around it, when we really just should be calling out and banning the bad stuff that's going around.

Asking animal abusers not to claim "no animal was harmed during creation of this video" is like asking them to put up disclaimers like "animals were harmed during creation of this video", not gonna happen. We still have to point those facts out to those, who are more likely to accept those videos, so why not focus on that instead?
 
While everyone is busy to see possible animal abuse here, his site has some other problem. Try to use the member search function. Try to type in terms like : pedo baby kid and whaterver terms those folks operate with. These users your search returns are absolutely silen here. But I reckon that they appreciate that it is possible to attach files to PMs on this site. I adressed this to the site admin in November 2 this year, but nothing seems changed. Pedophiles tend to use large poor managed sites as meet/regroup reserves. Beaker would not have let this go on, just saying..

And please nuke my account. I see no need to be on a site that will eventually get connected with pedophilia
 
While everyone is busy to see possible animal abuse here, his site has some other problem. Try to use the member search function. Try to type in terms like : pedo baby kid and whaterver terms those folks operate with. These users your search returns are absolutely silen here. But I reckon that they appreciate that it is possible to attach files to PMs on this site. I adressed this to the site admin in November 2 this year, but nothing seems changed. Pedophiles tend to use large poor managed sites as meet/regroup reserves. Beaker would not have let this go on, just saying..

And please nuke my account. I see no need to be on a site that will eventually get connected with pedophilia


Wow did you even bother to READ this thread? it sure doesn't seem as though you have.
 
While everyone is busy to see possible animal abuse here, his site has some other problem. Try to use the member search function. Try to type in terms like : pedo baby kid and whaterver terms those folks operate with. These users your search returns are absolutely silen here. But I reckon that they appreciate that it is possible to attach files to PMs on this site. I adressed this to the site admin in November 2 this year, but nothing seems changed. Pedophiles tend to use large poor managed sites as meet/regroup reserves. Beaker would not have let this go on, just saying..

And please nuke my account. I see no need to be on a site that will eventually get connected with pedophilia
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Where did the motivation to type this here come from?
 
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