[Question] (EN / FR) Identification of veterinarians in the fight against zoophilia (Repérage des vétérinaire dans la lutte contre la zoophilie)

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Hello everyone.

I apologize in advance for my English, I am not very good, I will also put the original translation (French) for you.
I have a question regarding vets.
First I quickly explain the situation, In France, the fight against bestiality was reinforced and it is official.

I'm going to get to the heart of the matter, veterinarians in France can now denounce to the police if there is any zoophilia act.

As long as one practices correctly with his soul mate (without lesions or other injuries or other traces)
Can a vet see if there is penetration (I am speaking in the context of a male to female animal)

I don't know if my question is understandable.
Do not hesitate to ask me again and explain it better.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

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Bonjour à tous.

Je m'excuse d'avance de mon anglais, je ne suis pas très fort, je vous met aussi la traduction original (français).
J'aurais une question concernant les vétérinaires.
D'abord j'explique vite fait la situation, En France, la lutte contre la zoophilie à était renforcé et c'est officiel.

Je vais aller au vif du sujet, les vétérinaires en France peuvent maintenant dénoncé aux force de l'ordre si il y à supçon d'acte zoophilie.

Dans la mesure qu'on pratique correctement avec son âme sœur ( sans lésion ou autre blessure ou autre trace)
Es qu'un vétérinaire peut voir si il y à une pénétration ' je parle dans le cadre d'un homme à un animal du sexe féminin)

J'ignore si ma question est compréhensible.
Hésitez pas à me refaire posez la question et de mieux expliqué.

Merci par avance de vos réponses.
 
There are two question to be answered here, "can someone see signs of a possible connection?" and "can someone find legal evidence of a physical act?" American vets went through a phase like this a few years ago because of a crazy Zoo commonly called "Zoobuster" or Randy Pepe. Some of his ideas were even taught in veterinary colleges. Here's what everyone learned:

It's not that hard to spot a deeper than average attachment in the behavior of both animal and human. But that's NOT illegal, only the physical act is illegal. There are PETA affiliated people that will publicly condemn someone for taking too good of care of an animal but it doesn't take long for everyone else to realize that is counterproductive. A vet that denounces a customer for loving a pet too much is going to be a lonely vet fairly soon.

Where the screeching gets loudest is around neutering. To this day most SPCA chapters will go batshit insane if you suggest a vasectomy or tubal ligation instead of a full castration or ovary-hysterectomy. It's to the point that despite all of the medical evidence that pediatric neutering is harmful to the animal, they will neuter 6 week olds rather than take a chance that you might not neuter them post puberty. Legally they can do nothing except add you to their blacklist and refuse to allow you to adopt.

On the other hand, there are the physical signs of forced sex like lacerations or repeated vaginal infections. The problem there is that even if they can give a professional opinion that this animal has been sexually abused, that does *NOT* say anything about who did the abusing. They would need to perform a rape kit with all of the legal standards met as though it was a human being raped. Anyone who fucked up enough to bring an animal in with semen dribbling out needs to be caught.

What they can do is provide law enforcement with probable cause. You will have to judge how that works in your country but the idea is that they give cops a strong enough suspicion to talk a judge into authorizing a search of your property and devices. This where keeping porn will get you in deep shit. Even if they can't convict you, the public cry of "sex offender" will hurt.

You have an advantage today. One of Zoobuster's great accomplishments was getting academic support for the idea that Zoophilia was a precursor to Pedophilia. That has since been debunked. Without the added urgency that a threat to children brings, law enforcement mostly has more important things to do.

Where you will have trouble is the private "animal welfare" community. News stories of humans molesting furbabies are the best clickbait on the internet. The same pictures and same cases will pop up over and over with dates and names changed in fund raising campaigns. "For just $20/month YOU can save this innocent puppy!!" a dog who died 15 years ago. Zoophiles make an ideal scapegoat for fundraising purposes and the money quickly becomes addictive. In order to keep the money machine turning, they have targeted sympathetic lawmakers and had laws passed that remove most of the need to actually prove any wrongdoing. I could be prosecuted for taking ordinary care of my horse because under the latest law you cannot touch an animal's sexual organs without at least vet assistant's license. Because I live in a rural county where common sense prevails about livestock, that law is never enforced. But it could be.

I wish you luck with your new challenges. What you are probably going to see is one or two stupid fencehoppers caught per year and much public drama made of each. That will keep the money flowing with minimum effort and in the end, that's all we are to their leaders. They will tell you how much good they can do with that money but you will quickly observe that charity begins at home with them.
 
Vets can't decide if a female dog was in heat four weeks ago, even with modern blood tests this is almost impossible. They might guess from fur change timings.

Neither can they prove if that female dog had sexual intercourse 5-7 days ago, depending on how it resulted (dog vs. dog in heat => surely detectable through results, sometimes through knot => stretching and micro lesions).

They can notice conspicuous changes in shape or wounded status of genitals surely enough. But not on careful vaginal intercourse without wounds. Edit: Behavior changes are also recognizable. Reactions to touching of specific body parts. But "positive" reactions are almost never seen as something of misuse, negative reactions might be.

Infections are no sign for intercourse I have to say. That's one possibility to get bacteria into the uterus or urinary tract, true.

But there are lots of different ones: short fur and getting wet belly in the cold, cold plate to lay on (often on female dogs), dirty ground to lay on, a Pyometra through imperfec heat cycle, maybe some clogging as well (happens, but not often), Pyometra through pure repeated heat cycles with changes in uterus, licking a lot on the genitals can bring bacteria and fungi entry as well as longer intime area fur which collects poo remainings and touches the vulva as example. Same goes for malign / benign tumors at the uterus. Hundreds of possibilities.

The anus is more often quite easily to recognize as "there's something going on", but anal gland infections or inflammations ain't an ultra rare symptom and I can imagine that with careful intercourse and an adequately big dog it wouldn't be really noticeable (but I am not into anal intercourse so can't prove it at least).

Quite a big field with lots of perspectives unto it. As @caikgoch wrote: as long as the female ain't dripping sperm and neither zoom around or requests sexual activity from the vet on examination almost all vets which want to keep customers will not assume any sexual intercourse with the owner but maybe ask if she was in heat recently and maybe for other dogs in the pack.

It wouldn't help a vet if they blame customers without proof and at the end it was just a random infection through laying on a steel plate for two hours or a low immune system. That will most probably ruin their reputation.

What surely calls their attention are wounds. Even more if that type of wounds only occurs by something acting rough regarding the dogs reproductive organs and those wounds ain't coming once from a small dog dissonance but repeatedly. But I don't think it's a bad thing if they report such causes as such wounds ain't coming out from nothing.

Sources: I helped a good befriended vet on surgeries - even on my own dog - and have quite an experience with the occurrences of UTIs and their causes far off unhygienic sexual contacts. Personal veterinary interests as well.
 
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I asked a vet tech friend of mine and this is what he said.

Nope not unless you give us a reason to look there no real way to tell cuz if it's let's say "open" from sex all that time can say that she had a litter of pups or she may just be naturally that wide, so unless there is seman pouring out no real way.
 
Thank you for your responses and for your encouragement.
Afterwards I specify without injury and trace of semen.
The cleanest and most respectful practice possible.

thank you again for your answers, its reassures me.

:)
 
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