Is there a connection between transgender and Zoo sexuality/identity?

[DogWhore4U]

I will say, since being here, I have seen more LGBT peeps that identify as transgender than as male or female. I've seen the MTF and FTM, I've seen pre and post op, and LGBT terms are something I'm not akin to. I find myself having to individually identify each on on whether they are a shemale, that is to say cock and tits, and then I get hounded for using "shemale" and I'm told they prefer "tranny", or "transgender", but that bothers me because "shemale" is an attractive and arousing term to me, and it tells me if they have a cock and tits (something I look for), unlike "transgender"...how they identify themselves may be entirely different than what sexual body parts a person is looking for.

Does it bother you with so many transgenders on here all identifying as "transgender" yet their physical sex may be male, female, or shemale? Is anyone else having to identify between pre and post op, and their physical sex parts? Is there a link between the LGBT community and the Zoo community, or some logical explanation on why the two are seemingly crossing into each other as time has progressed? Do you believe the LGBT community can pave the way and spark justification for a public zoo movement, besides the "beastiality drive" that hasn't been publicly seen in years? If so, would you be brave enough to be a part of that public zoo movement like same-sex people were when homosexuality and sodomy laws put them in jails and resulted in citations and fines?

 

[nekdoneco123]

guess you can create a connection between anything if you do mental gymnastics hard enough.

i don't see any connection between trannies and zoos. why/how would there be one? it's two completely different things/concepts. one about self-image, the other about who one finds romantically/sexually attractive.

i also don't think lgbtqrert+€ can pave anything.. if anything, taking "us" in would very likely destroy everything they achieved so far. at the end of the day, if animals magically won't start talking, you have nothing concrete to show the public as proof "we" are not just a bunch of rapists. you know, a thing same-sex attracted ppl can easily provide.. both go "yes, i want this", making our "plight" in no way similar or connected to theirs.

and no, you wouldn't be "brave" if you went public, you'd be a dumbass who puts their loved ones in danger for nothing.

 

[dumbpupp]

Idk how to answer some of this, but tranny is a slur towards trans people, shemale is offensive towards trans women. I believe the “shemale” identity you’re looking for is intersex which is the 3rd biological sex. It’s when someone is born with both male and female attributes. Being open as a zoo is VERY dangerous because it is a crime to have sex with animals in most states (in the us ofc)

 

[DogWhore4U]

Idk how to answer some of this, but tranny is a slur towards trans people, shemale is offensive towards trans women. I believe the “shemale” identity you’re looking for is intersex which is the 3rd biological sex. It’s when someone is born with both male and female attributes. Being open as a zoo is VERY dangerous because it is a crime to have sex with animals in most states (in the us ofc)

I had one shemale from Britain years ago on beastforum tell me (along with a shemale friend of hers) that they preferred to be called "tranny". Would there be a social gap between the US and the UK in this sense?

I'm unclear as to what exactly a "trans woman" is. Is this where someone was born female and turns male, or when someone is born male and turns female? Also, how does a non-lgbt person identify their interests in shemales when LGBT people use the terms to refer to both pre and post op? For example a "trans woman" could have a penis or not, and could have tits or not depending on if they are pre or post op, and the same goes for a "trans man". I have found that these terms don't determine anything for people interested in them, and it becomes confusing and even awkward and frustrating for the trans person to have to explain if they have a cock and tits each time a person is interested.

When I say "shemale" I don't refer to hermaphrodite, but when you say "attributes" that is confusing, because you may be referring to physical attributes or chemical/emotional/psychological attributes, in otherwords the person's identity that may vary from their actual sex parts. For example I am now under the impression you were taking my term "shemale" and identifying that as "hermaphrodite" or a male born that identifies as female and is feminine, or a female that is born but identified as male and is masculine.

For decades "gay sex" had been illegal on the federal level until repealed, but states had their own laws prohibiting same sex and anal as well as oral. These were crimes were people were fined, ticketed, and even jailed, yet they were open about it throughout the persecution period. What makes being an open zoo any different, especially when there's no evidence to it, your just advocating publicly about it?

 

[ishtardurrant]

Correlation does not equal causation. I don’t believe that there is a link. It would be like saying you see a lot of blondes interested in bestiality so there is a link with being a blonde and bestiality.

Someone may have a conversation with you about the car brand Audi. Then all of a sudden you notice more and more Audi’s in your neighborhood. It doesn’t mean that suddenly people were buying more of them. It just means that you were noticing them more.

 

[dumbpupp]

I had one shemale from Britain years ago on beastforum tell me (along with a shemale friend of hers) that they preferred to be called "tranny". Would there be a social gap between the US and the UK in this sense?

It’s like how fag is a slur and something to call a cig (uk)

I'm unclear as to what exactly a "trans woman" is. Is this where someone was born female and turns male, or when someone is born male and turns female? Also, how does a non-lgbt person identify their interests in shemales when LGBT people use the terms to refer to both pre and post op? For example a "trans woman" could have a penis or not, and could have tits or not depending on if they are pre or post op, and the same goes for a "trans man". I have found that these terms don't determine anything for people interested in them, and it becomes confusing and even awkward and frustrating for the trans person to have to explain if they have a cock and tits each time a person is interested.

Trans woman = male to female (female identifying trans person)

Trans man = female to male (male identifying trans person)

Pre or post op has nothing to do with what someone is, i havent had any surgery and only plan on getting top surgery (breasts removed) im still a trans man/man. Not every trans person gets surgery but that never makes them less of the gender they identify as

When I say "shemale" I don't refer to hermaphrodite, but when you say "attributes" that is confusing, because you may be referring to physical attributes or chemical/emotional/psychological attributes, in otherwords the person's identity that may vary from their actual sex parts. For example I am now under the impression you were taking my term "shemale" and identifying that as "hermaphrodite" or a male born that identifies as female and is feminine, or a female that is born but identified as male and is masculine.

I’m referring to physical attributes and chemical. Intersex people can have hormonal imbalance.

For decades "gay sex" had been illegal on the federal level until repealed, but states had their own laws prohibiting same sex and anal as well as oral. These were crimes were people were fined, ticketed, and even jailed, yet they were open about it throughout the persecution period. What makes being an open zoo any different, especially when there's no evidence to it, your just advocating publicly about it?

Zoophilia is going to be illegal because many people believe animals cant consent while humans can. Idk

 

[nouveauparadigme]

I'm unclear as to what exactly a "trans woman" is. Is this where someone was born female and turns male, or when someone is born male and turns female? Also, how does a non-lgbt person identify their interests in shemales when LGBT people use the terms to refer to both pre and post op? For example a "trans woman" could have a penis or not, and could have tits or not depending on if they are pre or post op, and the same goes for a "trans man". I have found that these terms don't determine anything for people interested in them, and it becomes confusing and even awkward and frustrating for the trans person to have to explain if they have a cock and tits each time a person is interested.

A trans woman is someone born male who transitions to female, a trans man is vice versa.
These terms do determine something. Of course if someone - like you - is looking for a specific type of body they may run into difficulties finding exact content on it. Like you do. But those terms are primarily used as self identifiers. I would say most trans people (including myself here) don't like when we are reduced to our bodies or genitals only. In fact, your preference for this specific type of trans woman would broadly be considered fetishistic. Which doesn't mean that some trans women aren't into that.
In any case, the terms trans woman or trans man don't function primarily to label yourself as a type of body others might have interest in. Bc being trans is a lot more than that.

Considering your original question, I do think that the percentage of LGBT people in the zoo community is bigger than in the general population. One explanation for this could be that LGBT people already don't fit into what is expected of normal, average citizens and thus the jump to anything else that isn't "normal", like zoophilia, is much easier and more natural. Someone who follows the model trajectory of life and ends up with a good job, wife or husband and kids would be much more likely to ignore or hide their zoo desires than someone who is already excluded from that sort of model life and frowned upon by others.

 

[DogWhore4U]

Correlation does not equal causation. I don’t believe that there is a link. It would be like saying you see a lot of blondes interested in bestiality so there is a link with being a blonde and bestiality.

Someone may have a conversation with you about the car brand Audi. Then all of a sudden you notice more and more Audi’s in your neighborhood. It doesn’t mean that suddenly people were buying more of them. It just means that you were noticing them more.

I have heard of this scenario before. How true or solid is it though?

Crime investigators use stereotyping all the time to profile criminals, to calculate their next moves. Psychologists use the technique to identify and classify potential serial killers and rapists, and to diagnose so-called "mental illness".

How accurate most of that is certainly questionable as humans can be multifaceted, and we can't profile and stereotype everything with this scenario, yet there is nonetheless factual evidence to it's success and functionality.

I have read books by academics that equate people who are open to bisexuality, zoophilia, anal, and other kinks to a hypothesis of varying subjects like "spiritual enlightenment", extra-terrestrial, and those more sinister and evil-intended person's to "psychosis", which in IL that's how Zoos are identified and classified as and needing therapy.

Funny story, my Dad. One day I noticed he had canine teeth like me, tops and bottoms. I had known my Dad my whole life, and never noticed his canine teeth, until one day I did (in my early 20s). I asked him about his teeth and he told me he's always had them. Would it be more probable that that is the case, or would some extra terrestrial grew his teeth overnight and imbedded false memories into his mind to make him believe he's always had them? You think I'd have noticed that at some point growing up, especially considering I was the very few people I ever saw have canine teeth in my life, and it was a conscious realization that stuck out to me growing up.

We live in a sex deprived nation, would sex deprivation or lack of regular sexual activity account for expanding sexual interests across genders and species?

 

[ishtardurrant]

I have heard of this scenario before. How true or solid is it though?

Crime investigators use stereotyping all the time to profile criminals, to calculate their next moves. Psychologists use the technique to identify and classify potential serial killers and rapists, and to diagnose so-called "mental illness".

How accurate most of that is certainly questionable as humans can be multifaceted, and we can't profile and stereotype everything with this scenario, yet there is nonetheless factual evidence to it's success and functionality.

I have read books by academics that equate people who are open to bisexuality, zoophilia, anal, and other kinks to a hypothesis of varying subjects like "spiritual enlightenment", extra-terrestrial, and those more sinister and evil-intended person's to "psychosis", which in IL that's how Zoos are identified and classified as and needing therapy.

Funny story, my Dad. One day I noticed he had canine teeth like me, tops and bottoms. I had known my Dad my whole life, and never noticed his canine teeth, until one day I did (in my early 20s). I asked him about his teeth and he told me he's always had them. Would it be more probable that that is the case, or would some extra terrestrial grew his teeth overnight and imbedded false memories into his mind to make him believe he's always had them? You think I'd have noticed that at some point growing up, especially considering I was the very few people I ever saw have canine teeth in my life, and it was a conscious realization that stuck out to me growing up.

We live in a sex deprived nation, would sex deprivation or lack of regular sexual activity account for expanding sexual interests across genders and species?

There has been some study into how humans behave when you restrict them sexually (like teaching kids that masterbation is a sin). I don’t think it equates to an increase in bestiality or being a member of the LGBT+ community though.

These are great questions though! I hope you don’t take my comments the wrong way. I actually think it’s important that we as people ask questions even if they are uncomfortable.

 

[sunni shiba]

I think there's a bit of overlap of trans people and any niche community/interest because there's a lot of overlap between trans people and neurodivergency (adhd, autism, etc.) plus an overlap of both of those things and trauma.
I think it makes sense that someone neurodivergent would be more likely to interpret and express gender atypically. The same can go for sexuality despite sexuality and gender being different things.
I also think it makes sense that people who are trans, neroudivergent, and especially both would be more likely to experince trauma. And many studies have found a correlation between trauma and zoophilia.

 

[Cajlatsa]

I think there's a bit of overlap of trans people and any niche community/interest because there's a lot of overlap between trans people and neurodivergency (adhd, autism, etc.) plus an overlap of both of those things and trauma.
I think it makes sense that someone neurodivergent would be more likely to interpret and express gender atypically. The same can go for sexuality despite sexuality and gender being different things.
I also think it makes sense that people who are trans, neroudivergent, and especially both would be more likely to experince trauma. And many studies have found a correlation between trauma and zoophilia.

Utter confected horse and dog shit...IMHO!

 

[gsdmixg]

I don't understand why zoophiles always talk about joining the LGBTQ+ community. Trying to inject ourselves into a community that doesn't want anything to do with us is utterly futile and honestly kind of selfish. If it was actually achieved, all it would do is shred their credibility in the eyes of society as a whole and regress the progress they made for gay and trans folks.

As for the main point of this post, I would imagine there's probably some sort of link between zoophilia and other divergence from heteronormativity, such as being gay, but I don't think there's any way for us to quantify it in any meaningful way. However I could equally be convinced that zoophilia is closer to a perfect cross-section of the human demographic as a whole rather than having a correlation to other sexualities. All you can really hope for in that regard is that researchers somehow find an ethical way to break through the major issues of relying on self-reporting in studies around zoophilia.

 

[DogWhore4U]

Utter confected horse and dog shit...IMHO!

She/He may have a point. I've known a many transgenders people to have been molested in the home, or to have suffered emotional and psychologically with a single parent and poverty. I'm not a transgender or an LGBT person, but even I have suffered to an extent and am a zoo.

Trauma and such does necessarily mean that beastiality is a result of said trauma, nor that everyone into beastiality has suffered from trauma, it just means that their is a correlation among findings.

For example I was a zoo the moment I humped a female dog four years after birth. I didn't experience bad things until I was at least give or six. It just means that their is a correlation between beastiality, transgender, and so-called mental/emotional "disorders". One thing I can see in common across all three is they are all "out of the norm". That is to say men were born with certain parts just like women, and it's out of the norm to switch, we are human, horses are horses, pigs are pigs, and dogs are dogs, to cross species is "out of the norm", for any child, an innocent child, to suffer emotionally or psychologically in any fashion whatsoever is wrong and and any result of a child's behavior either prior or post of such distress or trauma is "out of the norm". It would seem that what I'm saying is that there is "a failure to confirm", but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing, it just means there is somewhat of a correlation, and "the beast" (that is the system) needs tamed.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

shemale

Historically the term "shemale" has been used by the porn industry back in the 70s and 80s. However most transgendered folks regard this word as a slur as well as derogatory/degrading. In the 90s/00s it was often used as an insult similar to calling a gay person a "faggot." But that's essentially why many MtF folks will call you out if you call them by that.

 

[Cajlatsa]

Historically the term "shemale" has been used by the porn industry back in the 70s and 80s. However most transgendered folks regard this word as a slur as well as derogatory/degrading. In the 90s/00s it was often used as an insult similar to calling a gay person a "faggot." But that's essentially why many MtF folks will call you out if you call them by that.

Hmnn perhaps my experiences and recollections differ. I posture "she male" was uniquely an Asian and Polynesian construct with very little focus on gender dysphoria. As always other so called academic and sophisticated first world political progressives (Porn) have extrapolated the the latter into a morbid journey of fucking up our otherwise confused young fellow human beings. Mainly, in one way or another to create a money making career and industry! (Porn). Shades of the Davos global warming meta-verse cult.