Helping the Newbies Out

FloofyNewfie

FloofyNewfie

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So I've seen this a lot within the zoo community and I'm curious about it. There seems to be this mentality where more experienced zoophiles are completely unwilling to talk to beginner/young zoos or zoos without animals. It seems like to them, beginner zoos are just not worth their time and effort to even talk to in the first place. I know I wouldn't be where I am today if it were not the help of one fellow zoo who walked me through what the lifestyle entailed when I was first starting out 5 years ago. What the positives and what the negatives are. This zoo is still my go to guy if I have any questions to this day.

I'm by no means experienced, I literally got my doggie companions late last year. So, I'm still new to this whole thing of being consistently active and in a long term relationship. I cannot tell you how many times I tried reaching out to someone to just chat and getting ignored, before I got my girls. However, now that I have dogs I get messages out of nowhere, and I get replies back. If someone reaches out to me, I'll try and answer their questions to the best of my abilities if they are seeking advise.

Why does ignoring the noobs appear to be the case? Is it a trust issue? Is it that you feel they aren't worth the effort? IDK, I'm rambling at this point, what are your thoughts on this?
 
It’s probably a trust issue. (I’m a noob myself having literally no experience with animals or humans). The reason it’s a trust issue is that well you never know who they really are until you meet them irl or their true intentions so it can feel a bit weird to talk to a complete stranger but then again there are some nice people out there, you just gotta dig through the trash I guess
 
Eric26 said:
It’s probably a trust issue. (I’m a noob myself having literally no experience with animals or humans). The reason it’s a trust issue is that well you never know who they really are until you meet them irl or their true intentions so it can feel a bit weird to talk to a complete stranger but then again there are some nice people out there, you just gotta dig through the trash I guess
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In theory it shouldn't be a problem if you can refrain from giving out identifiable information. No names of your animal partners. No location information. No pictures of your animal companions face until they've proven themselves as a non-threat. And especially no information/pictures that could identify yourself. If you can manage that, then you should be able to at least talk to them.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
In theory it shouldn't be a problem if you can refrain from giving out identifiable information. No names of your animal partners. No location information. No pictures of your animal companions face until they've proven themselves as a non-threat. And especially no information/pictures that could identify yourself. If you can manage that, then you should be able to at least talk to them.
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You are correct. Another thing is probably many of us newbies probably just straight up ask to fuck instead of getting to know the owner which most likely puts them off
 
Eric26 said:
You are correct. Another thing is probably many of us newbies probably just straight up ask to fuck instead of getting to know the owner which most likely puts them off
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wholeheartedly agree on the trust issue. also there are people that are not genuinely interested in the lifestyle and merely want to reach out to someone for an "in" to newly discovered fetish. not speaking to new single people reaches across many lifestyles as well and not just the zoo stuff.
people are more inclined to help out a single female seeking info than a single male. speaking from experience when i would try to reach out to people (zoo and non zoo) when i was much younger, where i eventually just became discouraged and stopped trying. but trust is definitely the issue.
 
This one an easy one to answer.
The first message I get from people is Hi how are you I would like to chat.
the second message I get from people as Hi how are you when can I come out and fuck one of your animals.
the third message I get from people is you owe me because I can't have animals and you can.
I would say that some 90% of the messages I get on here and that is the reason I don't reply to most of them.
 
All you newbies listen carefully because I've been rude to newbies and accused of worse. Here's why.

I grew up, discovered I am Zoo, and learned how to be a practicing Zoo all before the internet was invented. The only sources of information were Nat Geo documentaries and the rare veterinary text. Almost everything was learned in person by trial and error. So I set out to remedy this sad and dangerous situation. I built and hosted forums where experienced Zoos could answer questions for newcomers and create a searchable database for those that follow. I wrote and published essays and instruction manuals also collecting same from across the planet. I recruited friends to help make the world safe Zoos and their animals!

It does my heart good when someone compliments my work or cites it for a newbie. But 9 out of 10 responses go like a recent interchange on this site:

Newbie, "Hey, I really want to knot with my dog but I can't get him to hump."

Me, "How old is he and does he have his nuts?"

Newbie, "He's a 2 year old GSD and has his nuts. I can get him hard easily but then he won't do anything."

Me, "He's a dog and does things differently. Suggest you read my Dog Guide in the How To Section."

Newbie, "I can't find it. Why don't you just tell me?"

Me (becoming frustrated), "It's stickied at the top of How Tos, has my name and avatar on it, and is the 24th post on this site."

Newbie, "Oh, I read that and it didn't help. Just tell me now."

Me, "If it didn't help, nothing I tell you here will help either. It's obvious what you are doing wrong and all of the info you need to fix it is in that guide. I have better things to do than retype the same wall of text only to have it ignored again."

Newbie, "You're an asshole. People like you should be banned."

Just in case any of you are newbie enough not to know, dogs get their penis in with the help of an internal bone then erection includes inflating the knot. His sperm will flow before the knot is inflated and if the knot wasn't keeping him there, he would go take a nap. That knowledge and ways of using it are what that guide is all about.
 
I have helped a few newbies over the years, trust was indeed the biggest issue I have. Fastest way to get on my bad side is to ask to fuck my loves, yes I have shared with zoo friends but they never asked nor did they think they were owed do to not being able to have a mare.
 
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I very much appreciate your attitudes towards helping newbies here. We all have to learn to communicate effectively and I suspect that those newbies referenced above lack the appropriate social skills to do so. I would imagine that they have the same issues in normal conversation in their real lives as well.
 
I'll be willing to talk with any newbies hello nice to meet you!

I have experience with several different species and persons within the species. My specialty are dogs, goats and sheep. Male and female.
I have worked with horses, mules, donkeys, llamas, alpacas, cattle, reindeer and swine and know my way around them, but have not had sex with any of them.

Questions I can help with are:
- How to get to know to these animals
- How to learn their language
- How to acquire the animals
- How to initiate sex safely (for the ones I have personal experience with)

Most important thing to remember is this one thing, though:

Even if you know the species, have experience with working with them, know them personally, know their language and even own one you are NOT guaranteed sex! Being a carer for an animal has to be your top need and want, and the sex only a bonus.
Buying an animal to have sex with it is like climbing ass-first into a tree!



Ps. Read caikgoch's resources. There is plenty of resources available. Read up before you mess up.
 
I don't ignore newbies, but i do try to "filter" the people that only wants to "chit-chat" only to warm their pants. I like to be informative and helpful to the ones that need it.

pd: i'm super friendly lol
 
Eric26 said:
You are correct. Another thing is probably many of us newbies probably just straight up ask to fuck instead of getting to know the owner which most likely puts them off
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Well yeah, I can see your point on that aspect. I know I was more interested in sex when first starting out, but also wanted to meet the person as well. The zoo I mentioned before didn't have a problem with helping me out and becoming a friend. However, when someone asks me something similar to "can I fuck your dog" or "can I get a video" I decline and then I try to redirect their statement. If they stop replying after I decline, it's on them at this point.
 
I have reached out with the intention of just wanting to chat, but have been ignored or was immediately asked to share any self made zoo porn(which I don’t have-was called all kinds of names for saying I am not sure I wanted to do that -ever given the chance for fear of it getting in the wrong hands).
 
Edger3 said:
I have reached out with the intention of just wanting to chat, but have been ignored or was immediately asked to share any self made zoo porn(which I don’t have-was called all kinds of names for saying I am not sure I wanted to do that -ever given the chance for fear of it getting in the wrong hands).
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People that have something to lose (like horses) tend to avoid chat apps because almost none of them anything resembling security. Remember that when you go asking for a simple chat.
 
Honestly, never asked anyone about what, if any, animals they owned. Maybe about experience, but not in the context of are you active now.
 
Thanks for your post its really appreciated
For my self I stopped trying go get in touch with people here because I'am not the pushy guy you need to be to have a place here and my real language is french so its thought to get in touch even if my english (6.5 on 10) its not so bad... but far from been perfect
I know if I want to be a active zoo I will need some help and patience from the person who is going to helpe me, but I know I dont have a lot of chance but I'am still here reading your post
Thank again for your post It put balm on my heart
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with being a newbie and I wouldn't treat them worse than someone experienced. I've once been a newbie myself (shock!) and felt well accepted, as far as I can remember.

One thing though ... When I entered zoo forums for the first time, I already understood what a search function is. It is my impression that not all newbies know. When I see new threads asking about something that is already being discussed on this forum in more than one thread I sometimes feel the urge to explain the search function, but then I also think that it might come off as rude and just ignore the newbie's thread.
 
Tailo said:
One thing though ... When I entered zoo forums for the first time, I already understood what a search function is. It is my impression that not all newbies know. When I see new threads asking about something that is already being discussed on this forum in more than one thread I sometimes feel the urge to explain the search function, but then I also think that it might come off as rude and just ignore the newbie's thread.
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I have no sympathy. Being unable to perform basic google-fu for yourself is functionally illiterate in the modern world. Any pressure put on such people to get them off their lazy ass is tough love. Google even gives free courses in how to use Google.
 
everyone brings up very valid points. i also believe that a major part of how the conversation goes is the "attitude" of the newbie trying to make contact. then of course if the person being contacted is just going to be an ass for no reason... well, thats just them being an assx cant do anything about that lol. ive always seen it as petloving is caring and companionship FIRST, and if you get to also do the naughty stuff, then thats just a bonus :)
 
I’m a newbie when it comes to bestiality. I’m an actual zoo. Experienced with dog training, very. I kind of outgrew my wanting to learn, I started when I was very young, then became a teen and never had problems with the ladies. So I sort of lost interest.
Every now and then I do have the urge and want to share my women with my dog but the women I’ve been with were never into it and I didn’t push the subject.
Now about the experienced people on here... Everyone is different but people also tend to act the same way, for example I think having done something that someone wants, people think it gives them some sort of hierarchy over others like “newbies.” It clearly comes across even when they’re posting or replying to just a post. Thing is you won’t be respectable, same goes for how the person is asking, but if you’re thinking someone needs to beg for your “wisdom” on simply fucking animals then I feel pity for that individual. A community should help every member and at the same time show respect to one another.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
So I've seen this a lot within the zoo community and I'm curious about it. There seems to be this mentality where more experienced zoophiles are completely unwilling to talk to beginner/young zoos or zoos without animals. It seems like to them, beginner zoos are just not worth their time and effort to even talk to in the first place. I know I wouldn't be where I am today if it were not the help of one fellow zoo who walked me through what the lifestyle entailed when I was first starting out 5 years ago. What the positives and what the negatives are. This zoo is still my go to guy if I have any questions to this day.

I'm by no means experienced, I literally got my doggie companions late last year. So, I'm still new to this whole thing of being consistently active and in a long term relationship. I cannot tell you how many times I tried reaching out to someone to just chat and getting ignored, before I got my girls. However, now that I have dogs I get messages out of nowhere, and I get replies back. If someone reaches out to me, I'll try and answer their questions to the best of my abilities if they are seeking advise.

Why does ignoring the noobs appear to be the case? Is it a trust issue? Is it that you feel they aren't worth the effort? IDK, I'm rambling at this point, what are your thoughts on this?
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I wanted to try dog sitting so I could get to know an animal for a year and see if things worked out from then on, so I brought it up to my parents and they completely rejected the idea, and I doubt they wouldnt do the same for Ranch work. I do have a plan for later in life, although I'll have to wait approximately 8 years for that plan to be put into action
 
knotarguing said:
Thanks for your post its really appreciated
For my self I stopped trying go get in touch with people here because I'am not the pushy guy you need to be to have a place here and my real language is french so its thought to get in touch even if my english (6.5 on 10) its not so bad... but far from been perfect
I know if I want to be a active zoo I will need some help and patience from the person who is going to helpe me, but I know I dont have a lot of chance but I'am still here reading your post
Thank again for your post It put balm on my heart
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Hi, ça va ?
 
FloofyNewfie said:
So I've seen this a lot within the zoo community and I'm curious about it. There seems to be this mentality where more experienced zoophiles are completely unwilling to talk to beginner/young zoos or zoos without animals. It seems like to them, beginner zoos are just not worth their time and effort to even talk to in the first place. I know I wouldn't be where I am today if it were not the help of one fellow zoo who walked me through what the lifestyle entailed when I was first starting out 5 years ago. What the positives and what the negatives are. This zoo is still my go to guy if I have any questions to this day.

I'm by no means experienced, I literally got my doggie companions late last year. So, I'm still new to this whole thing of being consistently active and in a long term relationship. I cannot tell you how many times I tried reaching out to someone to just chat and getting ignored, before I got my girls. However, now that I have dogs I get messages out of nowhere, and I get replies back. If someone reaches out to me, I'll try and answer their questions to the best of my abilities if they are seeking advise.

Why does ignoring the noobs appear to be the case? Is it a trust issue? Is it that you feel they aren't worth the effort? IDK, I'm rambling at this point, what are your thoughts on this?
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I'm one of the eldest and most experienced among us, and I'm always happy to help.
 
Wowzers! I posted this thread over a year ago. I've definitely helped some newbies out since then but often life gets in the way and I generally have very little time to dedicate hours and hours of discussion with newbies nowadays. I will usually give tips and pointers to those who genuinely ask for advice but typically I don't go past 15 replies until I drop off. I can definitely understand why some people just don't have the time of day. I had a lot more time when I was a bit younger, and hell, I had a bit more free time a year ago. I really don't know how my friend I mentioned in the OP had so much time to spare talking to me for all these years often for multiple hours a day in the beginning, but I'm grateful that he did. He played such a major role in shaping me into the ethical zoo I am today. Him... and also looking up information myself on forums of past, namely ZoophilesForum.net.
 
Trust others and they will trust you but be wary of those to eager for your life details. Check their reputation and their duration here.
 
caikgoch said:
All you newbies listen carefully because I've been rude to newbies and accused of worse. Here's why.

I grew up, discovered I am Zoo, and learned how to be a practicing Zoo all before the internet was invented. The only sources of information were Nat Geo documentaries and the rare veterinary text. Almost everything was learned in person by trial and error. So I set out to remedy this sad and dangerous situation. I built and hosted forums where experienced Zoos could answer questions for newcomers and create a searchable database for those that follow. I wrote and published essays and instruction manuals also collecting same from across the planet. I recruited friends to help make the world safe Zoos and their animals!

It does my heart good when someone compliments my work or cites it for a newbie. But 9 out of 10 responses go like a recent interchange on this site:

Newbie, "Hey, I really want to knot with my dog but I can't get him to hump."

Me, "How old is he and does he have his nuts?"

Newbie, "He's a 2 year old GSD and has his nuts. I can get him hard easily but then he won't do anything."

Me, "He's a dog and does things differently. Suggest you read my Dog Guide in the How To Section."

Newbie, "I can't find it. Why don't you just tell me?"

Me (becoming frustrated), "It's stickied at the top of How Tos, has my name and avatar on it, and is the 24th post on this site."

Newbie, "Oh, I read that and it didn't help. Just tell me now."

Me, "If it didn't help, nothing I tell you here will help either. It's obvious what you are doing wrong and all of the info you need to fix it is in that guide. I have better things to do than retype the same wall of text only to have it ignored again."

Newbie, "You're an asshole. People like you should be banned."

Just in case any of you are newbie enough not to know, dogs get their penis in with the help of an internal bone then erection includes inflating the knot. His sperm will flow before the knot is inflated and if the knot wasn't keeping him there, he would go take a nap. That knowledge and ways of using it are what that guide is all about.
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Yeah...what he said. Newbs are often looking for advantages they dont understand or deserve. More, they often feel like those who have established whatever life they have OWE them. Sorry but no. I encourage them when they seem worth the time, but argue with me about the subject and 'ignore list' is your new home. Be rude...same deal...ask the same questions you could read answers to more than once....same deal. Many of us older beasties here have POSTED those answers.... we arent feeling obligated to give private lessons. Info we worked for, sweated out and acquired over time is all out there....then, we get the puppies who want to write "definitive guides" when they have no cred for it except from other puppies. 10 Posts and three hellos are not a track record.
So part of the answer is..they don't listen. Recently one of these spotted something about a longtime member he did not like....sooo...he decided to 'investigate' and asked people whose cred was not necessarily better than his own. When he misstepped and was called on it he spent hours arguing about it. The point there is....he asked about it months ago...didnt get the answer he wanted to hear, so asked around until he did. Typical of a newb. That's why I tend to let them be.
 
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True, there are those who refuse to listen, and just want some sort of handout. there's really no helping some of them. On the otherhand there are those who genuinely wish to learn. Sometimes they come off as the other type due to having learned incorrect things from questionable sources, so I try to clear that up with actual facts.
 
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