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Zoophilia in history

i_like_mare_butts said:
Historic zoophilia art: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Zoophilia_in_art
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Wow now I'm surprised that some ancient zoo arts are in Wiki as well! Thx for link!
I love reading about history, various aspects of life of our ancestors. I really fascinating subject! Looking at ancient arts, sculptures, drawings is like opening time capsule.
I'm thinking sometimes about our own legacy for future generations. How people in future remember us and our times? And what kind of art we can keep for them? 🤔
 
ZTHorse said:
I wanted a thread to free post snippets, pics or accounts of zoophilia in history. This includes governments, religions, past customs and anything else related to zoo history from the past. I think it is good to see how peoples over time have views on zoophilia have changed.
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all polytheist religions have animal sex envolved
 
Llandefie said:
Isn't there the Greek myth of Epona, who was born of the union between a man who formed a sexual relationship with a mare because he hated women, and the offspring became the goddess of fertility?
I'm no historian so I probably have that ALL wrong, but still, that's a thing worth documenting if I'm at all correct.
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I find it facinating that throag all history and cultures at some point there are signs, paintings or examples cut out of stone of humans interacting with animals and now we have laws and society standards that do not talk or allow any of this. While on the otherhand for food and consumption we insiminate mass cattle and many different animals.

I always say it is better to care and perhaps do sexual acts with your domestic animal then force the pregnacy, feed them sh*t to grow faster and bigger so they can be slaughterd and eaten....
 
Here's an interesting one from the book "Perv" by Jesse Bering, though it lacks a source reference and I'd like a second source to confirm it:
You’ve heard of the witch hunts in Salem, but I’m guessing you’re not as familiar with the pig-man hunts of New Haven. The most troubling sex fiends of those days weren’t pedophiles (the age of consent in the colonies was ten, if that tells you anything) but men secretly in league with the Devil to impregnate barnyard animals. The fear was that the resulting malevolent offspring (called “prodigies”—my, how the meaning of that word has changed over time) would silently infiltrate the fledgling America and muck it all up with evil for the God-fearing folk. The settlers had gotten this strange idea from the teachings of the violently prudish medieval scholar Thomas Aquinas, who coined the term “prodigy” to refer to any hybrid creature sprung from the loins of another species but borne of human seed. According to him, prodigies could also be conceived through sex with atheists (a.k.a. perverts), but it seems there were far fewer of those milling about the colonies than solicitous swine.
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I have request. Big one 🤗

Can anyone share any good link for articles about Victorian amd XIX century freakshows, hidden exhibitions, zoo shows etc? I've seen few times freak/zoo shows been mentioned in novelty books but can't find more resources about history and cultural aspects.
 
This book isn't specifically about the history of freak shows nor the 19th century. But it's about the people who were consigned to the freak shows. "Very Special People: The Struggles, Loves and Triumphs of Human Oddities," by Frederick Drimmer. First published in 1973. It's a very good book that treats them with respect and understanding. You can find it on abebooks.com
 
I was reading conquistador by buddy levy(spanish conquest on the aztecs)and was amused when Hernan Cortez scared the indigenous people by having a "mare in season" and "high strung stallion" raise up up and trot from her scent. This struck fear in the the Indians having never before seen horses. "Beast as size high as out roof tops" they exclaimed to the rest of the tribes.
I found it fascinating.
 
ZTHorse said:
I wanted a thread to free post snippets, pics or accounts of zoophilia in history. This includes governments, religions, past customs and anything else related to zoo history from the past. I think it is good to see how peoples over time have views on zoophilia have changed.
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canecorso said:
Here's an interesting one from the book "Perv" by Jesse Bering, though it lacks a source reference and I'd like a second source to confirm it:
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Given how Christians are still like this in way too many places for what's supposed to be the modern day, wouldn't surprise me for a second that any of that absolute crazy was 100% what was actually believed and pushed on people at that moment and time.
 
TorrentialDownPour said:
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Given how Christians are still like this in way too many places for what's supposed to be the modern day, wouldn't surprise me for a second that any of that absolute crazy was 100% what was actually believed and pushed on people at that moment and time.
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If you put yourself in the shoes of a rural settler living 500 years ago, it isn't that unreasonable. Even today, common people often believe that conception between man and animal is possible. To somebody who doesn't have the internet, a school system, maybe even literacy, it could seem quite concerning.
 
canecorso said:
If you put yourself in the shoes of a rural settler living 500 years ago, it isn't that unreasonable. Even today, common people often believe that conception between man and animal is possible. To somebody who doesn't have the internet, a school system, maybe even literacy, it could seem quite concerning.
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You say this like the Internet has increased literacy of any kind and the spread of misinformation isn't extremely profitable.

It is sad that there are those that will never have the pleasures of this way of life because of personal fears, or societal/religious pressure and negative enforcement.

I think I was a bit salty about it last night, I apologize if all that sounded incredibly cynical and all. I'm just so very tired of all that. However, this isn't the DF and Organized Religion wasn't really the topic overall (though there is quite a bit of crossover for obvious reasons) but I guess it was a minor vent.
 
Hmmmm. All I can say is: Lots of self-righteous Christian shepherds “tending” flocks of sheep…for millennia.
 
I've read old psychology, psychiatry books from 60's, 70's and found lot of decent outdated theories that only people with mental disabilities or drunk individuals were interested about zoo activities. This is period of history where people with uncommon fantasies has been stigmatized without doing correct research.
Not much changed for now...
 
K9Evangelist said:
Very few people have the courage to take an objective stand that might show tolerance to zoos.
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And anybody cares because? Has there been some new regulation passed that says we're supposed to announce ourselves as animal fuck(er/ee)s?

If not, outside of discussions with someone *VERY* trusted, or (even rarer) someone already known beyond any question to also be zoo, what possible reason could there be for one to bother to bring the subject up in the first place?

Seems to me that doing so isn't just ASKING for trouble, it's sending trouble an engraved invitation, complete with a pre-stamped RSVP card, and an offer to send around a limo.

Or maybe it's just me living a sheltered life, since I have no recollection of more than a couple of clowns (that I ceased having much, if anything, to do with after they decided that the topic was good for some lunchtime conversation) that thought their sex life, be it straight, gay, or getting it on with a moose, was something of interest to anyone other themselves.
 
Sinologist Robert van Gulik mentions in his 1961 book Sexual Life in Ancient China (p.167) that voluntary bestiality is "very rare in pre-Ch'ing literature" (i.e. before 1644CE), and that there is only one known voluntary bestiality story from this period, as the rest are merely variations of this one. This story was compiled during the Tang period (618-907). It took me a while to find, so here it is (as retold by this dissertation in russian):
In the Xiao Xiang Lu (瀟湘錄) of the Tang scholar Li Yin, there is a story called “The Werewolf Dog” (Quan Yao 犬妖) about the wife of a certain Du Xiuji, who had sex with a white dog, which kidnapped her and carried her off to the mountains, where she became his wife and later gave birth to a son. After the dog’s death, the woman returned to her family, and her son became a robber.

“Du Xiuji of Zhao was a skilled physician. His beautiful wife, the daughter of the rich man Xue Yun, was a lazy and dissolute woman by nature. In Xiuji’s house there was a white dog, which he loved very much, and always treated him to exquisite dishes. [One day] after eating, Xiuji left, and his dog ran into the inner chamber, wanting to bite Xiuji's wife, Lady Xue. The woman, as if intending to secretly engage in illicit relations again, asked him in amazement: "Do you really want to become my lover? If so, then do not bite me." The dog immediately wagged its tail and climbed onto her bed. Lady Xue was frightened, but she still had relations with the dog. The dog was just like a human. Afterwards, whenever Xiuji left, they indulged in unrestrained debauchery.

One day, just as they were lying together in the chamber, Xiuji suddenly entered. Seeing this, he wanted to kill the dog, but the dog ran away. Xiuji became angry and sent his wife back to her father's house. Half a year later, the dog suddenly ran into Xue Yun's house, grabbed Madam Xue and carried her away on its back. The household tried to catch the dog, but they failed, they did not know where it went. And the dog hid with Madam Xue in the Hengshan Mountains. Every night he came down from the mountains to steal food, and during the day he guarded Madam Xue.

A year later, Madam Xue became pregnant and gave birth to a boy. Although he looked like a man, his whole body was covered in white fur. Madam Xue raised him in the mountains. Another year later, the dog suddenly died, and Madam Xue and her son took a winding path down from the mountains and came to Jizhou to beg for food. People learned about this and went with Xue Yun to tell about it. Xue Yun immediately ordered her to be taken home.

Years passed, Madam Xue's son was 17 years old, his appearance was ugly, his character was cruel. Every time he went out to commit robbery, he did not return earlier than ten days or even several months later. Xue Yun was very upset by this and wanted to kill him. Madam Xue, crying, said to her son: “You are the son of a white dog, I did not dare to kill you when you were a child. Now you live in the Xue house, how can you be disrespectful? If you continue to commit robbery, the people of the Xue family will definitely kill you. I am afraid that you will implicate others, this should be corrected.” Her son, sobbing, said: “I was born with a dog's character, I do not have a human heart, the love of murder and robbery is my nature, how can I overcome it? If Xue Yun can forgive me, let him forgive me, if he cannot, let him just tell me directly, why kill me? Mother must protect her honor, so I will go far away and not return." Lady Xue tried to stop him, but he did not listen, then she said: "You can go, but will you never come to visit me again? I am your mother, how can I bear it that we will never see each other again?" Her son began to cry again and said: "In three years, I will return."

Then he took his sword, bowed to his mother and left. Three years later, her son actually came to the gate at the head of a crowd of more than a thousand bandits, calling himself a general. He entered and bowed to his mother. And then he ordered the bandits to kill Xue Yun's family, leaving only his mother alive. Then he burned the manor, took his mother and left" [Xiao xiang lu, n.d.].
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